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    How many VPS can be created with this?

    jane98211jane98211 Member
    edited January 2016 in Help

    I am planning to buy the below server along with ~160 Ipv4 so that 160 VPS can be created with 768 mb each running linux. I have budget of 800$ overall. The below mentioned server costs 135$ monthly. Would I be able to create 160 openvz out of it (or KVM)? I will use proxmox to create vps and each will be assigned 1 virtual cpu. Cpu will be used at 60%. The constraint is CPU, so please comment on that also. Thanks

    Intel  Xeon D
    D-1520
    4/8t  
    2,2 / 2,6 GHz
    128 GB of RAM
    DDR4 ECC 2133 MHz
    2 x2TB  SOFT/JBOD
    vRack 1 Gbps

    EDIT - Purchased the 64GB version of Xeon D 1520. If that can support 80 VMs, it'll be good. Time to experiment...

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    • just get a E3 which will be faster.

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    • @jane98211 said:
      I am planning to buy the below server along with ~160 Ipv4 so that 160 VPS can be created with 768 mb each running linux. I have budget of 800$ overall. The below mentioned server costs 135$ monthly. Would I be able to create 160 openvz out of it? I will use proxmox to create vps and each will be assigned 1 virtual cpu. Cpu will be used at 60%. The constraint is CPU, so please comment on that also. Thanks

      Intel  Xeon D
      D-1520
      4/8t  
      2,2 / 2,6 GHz
      128 GB of RAM
      DDR4 ECC 2133 MHz
      2 x2TB  SOFT/JBOD
      vRack 1 Gbps

      Or maybe a dual E5-2640v2?

      That'll be faster for you.

    • @TarZZ92 said:
      just get a E3 which will be faster.

      How many can be created with the Xeon D 1520?

    • @MSPNick said:
      That'll be faster for you.

      That'll be costly. Can you tell how many can be created with the above mentioned cpu?

    • jane98211 said: How many can be created with the Xeon D 1520?

      Depends on load but really there is no point. E3 has faster single thread and even multi thread from the tests i have seen.

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    • WebProjectWebProject Member, Provider
      edited January 2016

      Server with Raid-10 will better speed for 160 vps accounts

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    • I presume this is for a traffic exchange? Give us specs of the VMs you want to create. Linux? Windows? 128MB ram? 1GB ran?

      Different.

    • GM2015GM2015 Member
      edited January 2016

      I believe you do traffic exchange right? Wouldn't running your browser through 1 squid3 installation with ~150 outbound IP be cheaper?

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    • Nic_20TBSSDNic_20TBSSD Member
      edited January 2016

      @TarZZZ92 He cant use an E3 if he is looking for 128GB RAM, he obviously needs the 128GB ram is he skipped 64GB.

      @jane98211 are you setting these up for traffic exchange if so its simple math, 1vCPU core each VM with 512MB ram or 768MB ram.

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    • jane98211 said: I am planning to buy the below server along with ~160 Ipv4 so that 160 VPS can be created with 768 mb each running linux.

      We're not going to assist you with your traffic exchange although I admire you for stepping up to dedicated servers versus crapping on VPS nodes

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    • I smell an upcoming new topic:

      "Purchased from [brandName] and didn't read the ToS"

      -They hacked my paypal, mail and just about everything.

      The world is hard but unjust. ;)

    • exception0x876exception0x876 Member, Provider

      2 x2TB SOFT HDD is not enough for running 160 VPS with multiple traffic exchanges

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    • doughmanesdoughmanes Member
      edited January 2016

      Wolf said: "Purchased from [brandName] and didn't read the ToS"

      "OVH won't give me a refund because my experiment failed"

      "OVH is a scam! Beware! They threatened to kill my family!"

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    • @exception0x876 said:
      2 x2TB SOFT HDD is not enough for running 160 VPS with multiple traffic exchanges

      It is enough they only use 1-5GB or so of disk space, 5x160=800GB.

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    • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Provider

      Nic_20TBSSD said: It is enough they only use 1-5GB or so of disk space, 5x160=800GB.

      I think you are overlooking disk IO limitations

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    • exception0x876exception0x876 Member, Provider

      @Awmusic12635 said:
      I think you are overlooking disk IO limitations

      exactly what I meant

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    • Nic_20TBSSDNic_20TBSSD Member
      edited January 2016

      @Awmusic12635 said:
      I think you are overlooking disk IO limitations

      Yea I am overlooking it considering he is running traffic exchanges lol, he might now know what disk IO limits are. I'm just telling him flat out what he can do with the dedicated server. He might not get max performance or nowhere near it but if he knows what he's doing he can run them.

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    • jvnadrjvnadr Member
      edited January 2016

      At first, proxmox (I assume openvz) cannot cap cpu, you can only chose number of cpu/ht and then, give priority to each vm. For example, you can give to vps 101 priority 1000 and to vps 102 priority 5000. That means that if both of vps are trying to use a lot of cpu power with same number of cores assigned, then, vps 101 will have 1/6 of the power when vps 2 will have 5/6 of the power.
      You can cap cpu in terminal, but I am not sure that this can cooperate with proxmox's settings. For this, another solution would be using "Openvz Web Panel". With this panel, you can cap cpu power in percentage % (can be installed on Centos 6).

      Now, if you try to run firefox to 160 vps in the same node and run desktop with firefox on all of them simultaneously, then your node will crash. You will face cpu and i/o serious issues and, depending on load and network speed, even network issues.
      You have to assign 1 single ht core to 20 vps to simultaneously load firefox, aka, webpages. I assume that webpages will be normal webpages with graphics, javascript, css etc. And each vm will have only 768MB RAM. That means that you will almost all of the time use swap, because firefox/chrome will be memory hungry, especially after the load of the first 5-10 web pages.
      Swaping to a 2x2 JBOD simultaneously for 160 vps (!) combined with normal HDD access, will cause a huge I/O wait.
      Overall, if you use 160 instances of virtual machines with 160 instances of virtual desktop and 160 instances of running firefox to a single 4 core cpu node and just 768 MB mem to each of the vm, it won't work smoothly, you will face freequently crashes.

      On the other hand, if you are not planing to use virtual desktops with firefox instances but just normal vps as a provider, then, this node can handle the usual load, assuming that those virtual machines won't be loaded all of them at the same time and most of them will be used for light stuff like lite web servers, proxy servers / vpn, backups / storage etc.
      But then again, you will have to always monitor the load, have a backup server for disaster policy and/or for moving "hungry" vms that causes problems to their neighbours.
      If you plan to sell 160 vps from a single node without having at least another one, it is not a good idea.
      (Of course, there were been some providers here that tried to fill thousands of vms to single nodes, much more than 160. That have never lead to success...)

      • If a program actually fits in memory and has enough disk space, it is guaranteed to crash.
      • If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes.

    • Aw, come on, you silly fools.

      He's not setting up TE - he's creating a LEB host and will soon post offers.

      Then HE'LL be the one stealing YOUR gmail accounts!

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    • @WebProject said:
      Server with Raid-10 will better speed for 160 vps accounts

      Yes, RAID-10 it is

      @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
      I presume this is for a traffic exchange? Give us specs of the VMs you want to create. Linux? Windows? 128MB ram? 1GB ran?

      Already mentioned. 768MB ram linux

      @doughmanes said:
      We're not going to assist you with your traffic exchange although I admire you for stepping up to dedicated servers versus crapping on VPS nodes
      @Wolf said:
      I smell an upcoming new topic:

      "Purchased from [brandName] and didn't read the ToS"

      -They hacked my paypal, mail and just about everything.

      The world is hard but unjust. ;)
      @raindog308 said:
      Aw, come on, you silly fools.

      He's not setting up TE - he's creating a LEB host and will soon post offers.

      Then HE'LL be the one stealing YOUR gmail accounts!

      If you have nothing to contribute, Leave and scam like your leader virmach

      @jvnadr said:
      At first, proxmox (I assume openvz) cannot cap cpu, you can only chose number of cpu/ht and then, give priority to each vm. For example, you can give to vps 101 priority 1000 and to vps 102 priority 5000. That means that if both of vps are trying to use a lot of cpu power with same number of cores assigned, then, vps 101 will have 1/6 of the power when vps 2 will have 5/6 of the power.
      You can cap cpu in terminal, but I am not sure that this can cooperate with proxmox's settings. For this, another solution would be using "Openvz Web Panel". With this panel, you can cap cpu power in percentage % (can be installed on Centos 6).


      Now, if you try to run firefox to 160 vps in the same node and run desktop with firefox on all of them simultaneously, then your node will crash. You will face cpu and i/o serious issues and, depending on load and network speed, even network issues.
      You have to assign 1 single ht core to 20 vps to simultaneously load firefox, aka, webpages. I assume that webpages will be normal webpages with graphics, javascript, css etc. And each vm will have only 768MB RAM. That means that you will almost all of the time use swap, because firefox/chrome will be memory hungry, especially after the load of the first 5-10 web pages.
      Swaping to a 2x2 JBOD simultaneously for 160 vps (!) combined with normal HDD access, will cause a huge I/O wait.
      Overall, if you use 160 instances of virtual machines with 160 instances of virtual desktop and 160 instances of running firefox to a single 4 core cpu node and just 768 MB mem to each of the vm, it won't work smoothly, you will face freequently crashes.

      On the other hand, if you are not planing to use virtual desktops with firefox instances but just normal vps as a provider, then, this node can handle the usual load, assuming that those virtual machines won't be loaded all of them at the same time and most of them will be used for light stuff like lite web servers, proxy servers / vpn, backups / storage etc.
      But then again, you will have to always monitor the load, have a backup server for disaster policy and/or for moving "hungry" vms that causes problems to their neighbours.
      If you plan to sell 160 vps from a single node without having at least another one, it is not a good idea.
      (Of course, there were been some providers here that tried to fill thousands of vms to single nodes, much more than 160. That have never lead to success...)

      Would KVM be better? Say for 80 VPS on the same specs? Nothing heavy would be there.

    • GM2015 said: I believe you do traffic exchange right? Wouldn't running your browser through 1 squid3 installation with ~150 outbound IP be cheaper?

      Would have to pay for IP. Main cost is IP and not the server. Is there any tutorial on what you are mentioning?

    • jane98211 said: Would have to pay for IP. Main cost is IP and not the server. Is there any tutorial on what you are mentioning?

      What about using IPV6? Millions of IP's - free.

      Software is like sex, it's better when it's free!

    • @Frecyboy said:
      What about using IPV6? Millions of IP's - free.

      IPs may be blacklisted. Where can I find the details and availability of IPv6? Thanks

    • @jane98211 said:

      How much disk? Have you took into account the disk I/O. Running 160 firefoxes will murder your disks and your CPU.

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      Different.

    • @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
      How much disk? Have you took into account the disk I/O. Running 160 firefoxes will murder your disks and your CPU.

      2x2TB. Firefox wouldn't be used on all 160.

    • @jane98211 said:
      2x2TB. Firefox wouldn't be used on all 160.

      RAID 1 or 0? What would be used on all 160. I'm just trying to get a feel of how the server will run. I'm using an E3 running 20 windows maxing the CPU/Disk

      Different.

    • jane98211jane98211 Member
      edited January 2016

      @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
      RAID 1 or 0? What would be used on all 160. I'm just trying to get a feel of how the server will run. I'm using an E3 running 20 windows maxing the CPU/Disk

      Hardware RAID based on MegaRAID 9271 Cache 1 GB + CacheVault.

    • @jane98211 said:
      Hardware RAID based on MegaRAID 9271 Cache 1 GB + CacheVault.

      5GB for each VM? You better be running OVZ. Also whats running on them all

      Different.

    • @TinyTunnel_Tom said:
      RAID 1 or 0? What would be used on all 160. I'm just trying to get a feel of how the server will run. I'm using an E3 running 20 windows maxing the CPU/Disk

      Also E3 is not supported by 128GB RAM

    • Shoaib_AShoaib_A Member
      edited January 2016

      I would recommend at least 4 SSDs in RAID 10 with some decent RAID card to run 160 VMs.
      Since you also want to be able to use 60 % of a core at I think you should go with those Dual Xeon E5s with 10 x 2 = 20 cores/40 threads. But still those 40 threads won't be enough if you plan to use 60% of a core in each VPS 24/7.

      It seems that you are looking at OVH for servers, if that is true then they do offer configurations like the one I posted above but you will have at least 3x compared to the specs you mentioned in your original post. For example MG-128 with Dual E5-2650v3 (20c/40t) & 4 x 800 GB SSD costs 472 $ a month & I wouldn't go with anything less powerful if I were in your shoes.

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    • jane98211 said: Where can I find the details and availability of IPv6?

      Google

      Signatures are to identify who I am. I'm me. Who the hell are you?

    • @rajprakash said:
      Google

      what is google? where can I find google?!!

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    • Nic_20TBSSDNic_20TBSSD Member
      edited January 2016

      You won't be able to use IPv6 with traffic exchange so don't waste your time searching @jane98211

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    • VirMachVirMach Member, Provider, Top Provider
      edited January 2016

      If it's for traffic exchange, that node won't be enough. Your 10 VMs with us were using more CPU than that dedicated server you're looking to purchase. The disk especially won't be enough - I don't think they'll run properly at that point of extreme usage. Remember that you're not just using disk space, you are constantly writing to disk as well. Maybe for 160 VMs, go with two servers that are dual E5-2660v3 with 8x1TB SSDs in HW RAID 0 if you don't care about data loss.

      jane98211 said: I will use proxmox to create vps and each will be assigned 1 virtual cpu. Cpu will be used at 60%

      I don't think you understand the math involved. If each VM is using 60% of 1 vCore, and the dedicated server you mentioned has 8 vCores, then you have 800%/60% or approximately 13 VPS you can have using that power, not 160.


      For a quick comparison, you were on 3-5 of our dedicated servers, running 90 of these VMs, correct? Our dedicated servers are 8x RAID 10 SSDs, E5-2620v1 and above, and you were overloading 2x on some plans, and still overloading on others - that means you were causing problems on a combined 72 to 120 combined vCores and 24 to 40 SSDs in hardware RAID 10. Of course we had other customers on those servers but there was not that much utilization of processor and disk.

      So at the very least, you're going to need something like 72 vCores, and if you run RAID 0, at least 12 pretty good solid state drives.

    • exception0x876exception0x876 Member, Provider

      @VirMach said:
      RAID 1 if you don't care about data loss.

      I guess you meant RAID-0

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    • VirMachVirMach Member, Provider, Top Provider
      edited January 2016

      exception0x876 said: I guess you meant RAID-0

      Yep, my bad. Just woke up!

      Edit: quick disclaimer as well I did all the math in my head and there's other factors involved, so you may need a little less or more than the dedicated server I recommended.

    • OP would better be searching for some numb provider with powerful node-setups selling VPSses in bulk at cheap discounted rates I guess... anyone to jump on that train? ;-) ;-) ;-)

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    • @VirMach said:
      If it's for traffic exchange, that node won't be enough. Your 10 VMs with us were using more CPU than that dedicated server you're looking to purchase. The disk especially won't be enough - I don't think they'll run properly at that point of extreme usage. Remember that you're not just using disk space, you are constantly writing to disk as well. Maybe for 160 VMs, go with two servers that are dual E5-2660v3 with 8x1TB SSDs in HW RAID 0 if you don't care about data loss.

      So at the very least, you're going to need something like 72 vCores, and if you run RAID 0, at least 12 pretty good solid state drives.

      Yup 2 servers would be the better choice. Already purchased, Thanks. Also, I think OVH will not log into my VPS like you were logging in and monitoring by VPS checking without my permission.

    • @Falzo said:
      OP would better be searching for some numb provider with powerful node-setups selling VPSses in bulk at cheap discounted rates I guess... anyone to jump on that train? ;-) ;-) ;-)

      Already got some offers :) OVH is the cheapest seller even for individual VPS 3.5$ for 2gb ram KVM. Their set up is solid!

    • @jane98211 said:
      Yup 2 servers would be the better choice. Already purchased, Thanks. Also, I think OVH will not log into my VPS like you were logging in and monitoring by VPS checking without my permission.

      OVH as any other provider simply don't care what you are doing resource-wise with a dedicated server. that's simply the meaning of 'dedicated' - as there are no other customers you can disturb, as long as you don't get your CPU burning a hole through the whole rack...

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    • jane98211 said: Would KVM be better? Say for 80 VPS on the same specs? Nothing heavy would be there.

      OpenVZ is better in running more vps in one node, because it has the minimum overhead. If you are going to use all of the virtual machines by yourself with linux OS, then, don't use KVM. You will gain nothing (security, privacy, encrypted files, full virtualization etc.) and you will lose power because each vm will need to use an initial amount of RAM and CPU for just running the machine.
      As of 80 vps on that node with nothing heavy there, yes, it could be doable. It all depend on what you will be hosting on those machines. For example, if you host 80 vps with medium to busy wordpress sites loaded with plugins, your node will crash.

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    • FalzoFalzo Member
      edited January 2016

      @jane98211 said:
      OVH is the cheapest seller even for individual VPS 3.5$ for 2gb ram KVM. Their set up is solid!

      their setup is probably done right and applying enough limits to make sure you're not causing issues.
      interested to see how this will work out over the next weeks, please make sure to keep us updated! (not that I do doubt on that... ;-) )

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    • jane98211jane98211 Member
      edited January 2016

      @Falzo said:

      I have one VPS of them since last month. CPU usage I gradually increased from 30% to 70% with frequent 90% bursts. Didn't crash in the last 8 days. I cannot find any better service than their's :) Though I use only few GBs a month

    • jvnadrjvnadr Member
      edited January 2016

      Also, for all of the people that are thinking, "let's buy a couple of dedis with some dozens of ips for SEO reasons", they are completely wrong. All of the modern search indexers like google or yahoo, are having complex algorithms and methods to uplift a SEO ranking. If you use every day 150 same ips to visit the exact same 50-100 sites, if the ips are in the same range or in 2-3 ranges, if the ips belongs to the same provider, if they are not residential ips, then, you will not see rankings go up but you maybe see them become lower, because the search machines will understand that you are trying to scam them.

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      • If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes.

    • @jvnadr said:
      Also, for all of the people that are thinking, "let's buy a couple of dedis with some dozens of vps for SEO reasons", they are completely wrong. All of the modern search indexers like google or yahoo, are having complex algorithms and methods to uplift a SEO ranking. If you use every day 150 same ips to visit the exact same 50-100 sites, iv the ips are in the same range or in 2-3 ranges, if the ips belongs to the same provider, if they are not residential ips, then, you will not only see rankings go up but you maybe see them become lower, because the search machines will understand that you are trying to scam them.

      Hm..

    • @jane98211 said:

      sure, didn't say anything against OVH, its full virtualization and you can use whatever they deliver.
      thats what I meant when saying they probably applying fine limits or have enough automated balancing in their integration of those services, which will take care of what you can use.
      as long as you don't break their TOS it is probably the only provider you can get what you want at that pricetag...

      160x3,50 ends up $560 monthly - only you may know, if there is margin to make it worth the money.
      I have no experience with TE, so dunno how payments are done and so on... as far as I remember years back on those shady advertising networks paying for clicks on pyramid schemes - I doubt that there are enough businesses who will payout big amounts for long before kicking you out and investigating how you come to those massive views etc.

      it's most likely like @jvnadr said... the one who should pay or reward you may not be that dumb at all. ;-)

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    • Nic_20TBSSD said: He cant use an E3 if he is looking for 128GB RAM, he obviously needs the 128GB ram is he skipped 64GB.

      then the slow E5 is the best option

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    • I particularly love how his 'scammer provider' virmach stepped in to provide hardware recommendations based on experience running real vps.

      Class act, @virmach.

      This thread will be educational if nothing else.

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    • jane98211 said: If you have nothing to contribute, Leave and scam like your leader virmach

      I've seen that quote before and think I've personally kicked you out of a previous provider I worked for

      How to clean up a questionable reputation: throw the kids some BF/CM offers.

    • @doughmanes said:
      I've seen that quote before and think I've personally kicked you out of a previous provider I worked for

      I only use digitalocean and OVH. Joke's on you

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