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    What's happening with LEB?

    MikePTMikePT Member, Provider
    edited October 2015 in General

    What's happening with LEB?

    There are almost no comments, the offers are being sent by providers who don't even get verified. The posting rules aren't being respected as well.

    Let's take this example:

    In this topic, http://lowendbox.com/blog/predator-vault-5-04month-512mb-and-6-57month-1gb-openvz-in-france/, was sent by a provider who happens to be portuguese as well. WHOIS protection is enabled and it seems "Carlos Rodrigues" didn't send the company VAT number/details because he registered the company as an individual and doesn't have a company VAT number, only his personal VAT number and therefore decided not to disclose it.

    So I replied there that, as a portuguese fellow who have worked for several portuguese companies, I am totally sure that, if Carlos registered a company, even in individual name, he surely has a valid company VAT number, because any company, wether registered as individual or not, has a VAT number.

    The offer was posted in 23th, Oct, 2015, by Jonathan and I wrote a reply stating the above information in the 24th. No reply from Jonathan at all. It seems LEB staff doesn't even bother to read the replies, nor to obligate the companies to follow the rules.

    If WHOIS protection is on, and there's no VAT number / company information, then the offer shouldn't be posted, period.

    I'm just venting here about this recent situation. What do you guys think about the current LEB?
    Don't you guys miss those days with dozens or even hundreds of comment replies about the companies, its service quality and such?

    TBH it's sad to see what's happening with LEB. Nowadays, LET is the first choice for anyone who needs to find an offer and check out the comments about its company. LEB itself is now useless.

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    • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Provider
      edited October 2015

      MrGeneral said: There are almost no comments,

      Our offer had quite a good bit of comments from 2 weeks ago:

      And Jonathan replied

      http://lowendbox.com/blog/impact-vps-openvz-vps-from-6year-for-256mb-in-seattle-usa

      Though I would agree there are some issues

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    • Indeed. In the absence of new offers from decent verifiable hosts, abundance of basic yet pointless tutorials, LEB has more or less turned to crap.

      Back in the day, it was LEB that first brought me to LET. But, with time, I guess it has started to lose its relevance altogether.

      I really hope they get their act together.

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    • When I joined here a year ago LEB already looked dead. Atleast I couldn't see any purpose for it at that time. You're right, LET is the place to keep an eye on for offers and comments. I don't think it's anything to worry about. Web sites die all the time and something else takes it's place. RIP LEB.

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @Awmusic12635 said:
      Though I would agree there are some issues

      Well your offer is decent and hosted @Incero, you've proven here that you keep support on track and actually care about your customers. However, there are several offers in LEB which don't actually deserve to be there, IMHO. Jonathan didn't reply to my comment even though I provided a pretty detailed reply. Thing here is, this offer, with a domain name registered a few months ago, WHOIS protection active, and no company VAT number, doesn't certainly follow the rules. Why is it posted then? It looks way too shady.

      Even if you check the other offers, while there are still great offers, there are almost no comments. It's just sad to see this happening with LEB, it used to be a great website, and its traffic rank was great. People would visit it every damn day to find great offers.

      I've thought a bit about this and concluded that, one of the reasons, may be the fact that the top notch providers (Nodisto, Ramnode, BuyVM etc) don't bother to post there anymore. They do have their reasons. I assume they have their loyal client base and don't need to bother posting in LEB anymore. Anyway, what used to be a great website, is now looking dead.

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @K4Y5 said:
      Indeed. In the absence of new offers from decent verifiable hosts, abundance of basic yet pointless tutorials, LEB has more or less turned to crap.

      Back in the day, it was LEB that first brought me to LET. But, with time, I guess it has started to lose its relevance altogether.

      I really hope they get their act together.

      Exactly. I used to check LEB offers daily and purchased a bunch of VPS due to the great promos there. The spirit was friendly and we could actually share our opinions there. Nowadays, it has no interest to visit it.
      IMHO, if they don't change the way it is right now, then might just want to shut it down.

      @Ole_Juul said:
      When I joined here a year ago LEB already looked dead. Atleast I couldn't see any purpose for it at that time. You're right, LET is the place to keep an eye on for offers and comments. I don't think it's anything to worry about. Web sites die all the time and something else takes it's place. RIP LEB.

      Yes, Ole, that was a year ago. Back in 2010/2011 it was brutal. It was excellent. I enjoyed reading hundreds of comments about x,y company. The company owners used to post there as well and it was great.

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      MrGeneral said: (Nodisto, Ramnode, BuyVM etc)

      Nodisto doesn't take part on here anymore unless they have to, they left fully after their brands and the likes were getting constantly flooded. RN still posts, last offer was in June.

      As for us, we've not had a post up there since Liam was around. We've been mentioned a few times in votes and such but never an offer for us. Since we don't do coupons I don't know if the writers are interested. Like LET, LEB went very price focused so our angle of lots of features just gets people going "Give me cheaper prices you jerks!".

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @Francisco said:
      Francisco

      Yes that is correct. I miss the old LEB times tho, was much fun.

    • RizRiz Member

      @MrGeneral I thought you left..?

    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @Riz said:
      MrGeneral I thought you left..?

      I did, for a few days. Sometimes we need to refrain and take a time off. Been here for a few more years than you :)

    • sinsin Member
      edited October 2015

      I rarely use LEB - most of the offers I use are right on here, LET. I just don't trust most of the newer hosts and (unless you need obscure locations or very specific requirements) why use them when you have all these great prices/promos from the companies like OVH, Leaseweb, Ramnode, VULTR, Dediserve, the list goes on and on aaaaand on.

      Basically I find all the good stuff on here and not LEB :)

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    • jarjar Provider

      The way I see it, LEB needs more interesting offers. So instead of tearing down the few that are getting put up, what you could do is go out in search of new and cool services and post them here. Maybe one of the writers or admins will like what they see and want to post something about them :)

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    • I think OVH reseller offers should only be posted, if the owner does not whine about "personal information", is not a new kid renting out spare space on his SYS, and the offer is significantly cheaper than OVH itself.

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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      @4n0nx said:
      I think OVH reseller offers should only be posted, if the owner does not whine about "personal information", is not a new kid renting out spare space on his SYS, and the offer is significantly cheaper than OVH itself.

      OVH hosts used to be banned for a long time until CC removed the ban for whatever reason. LEA's reasoning was that it was simply too easy to turn up a brand and run off with cash. At the time there was a real epidemic where there was tons of dine/dash brands taking off with a lot of cash.

      Francisco

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    • rm_rm_ Member
      edited October 2015

      What killed LEB comments was that they removed E-Mail notifications for replies to which you could subscribe. There is no point anymore to try and start a discussion there, unless you plan to keep manually refreshing that tab in a browser tab for days to come. Probably that's why staff also rarely replies to all the complaints, they simply don't know anyone posted anything.

    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @sin said:
      I rarely use LEB - most of the offers I use are right on here, LET. I just don't trust most of the newer hosts and (unless you need obscure locations or very specific requirements) why use them when you have all these great prices/promos from the companies like OVH, Leaseweb, Ramnode, VULTR, Dediserve, the list goes on and on aaaaand on.

      Basically I find all the good stuff on here and not LEB :)

      Same here!

      @Jar said:
      The way I see it, LEB needs more interesting offers. So instead of tearing down the few that are getting put up, what you could do is go out in search of new and cool services and post them here. Maybe one of the writers or admins will like what they see and want to post something about them :)

      Well, according to what @mpkossen wrote a few weeks ago, they're paid to do it, so that's their job. in this case, I'm highlightning an offer that was posted that doesn't obey to LEB rules, and even wrote there about it, ended up being ignored.
      I do agree that LEb needs more interesting offers.

      They could, for example, promote OVH SSD VPS's, which are really great, and the provider won't disappear. Just an example, even though I'm aware OVH doesn't need any publicity.

      @4n0nx said:
      I think OVH reseller offers should only be posted, if the owner does not whine about "personal information", is not a new kid renting out spare space on his SYS, and the offer is significantly cheaper than OVH itself.

      Indeed, it looks like it's not serious. Just a SYS server, and god knows when they'll deadpool. In the end, LEB would be helping him getting some bucks and disappear.

      @Francisco said:
      Francisco

      Yes, well, there are several serious companies running OVH nodes, though, but I do agree with your point.

      @rm_ said:
      What killed LEB comments was that they removed E-Mail notifications for replies to which you could subscribe. There is no point anymore to try and start a discussion there, unless you plan to keep manually refreshing that tab in a browser tab for days to come. Probably that's why staff also rarely replies to all the complaints, they simply don't know anyone posted anything.

      I wasn't aware they did that, and that it was one of the reasons why people no longer comment a lot in there. Maybe something can be done? @mmpkossen

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    • jarjar Provider

      MrGeneral said: They could, for example, promote OVH SSD VPS's, which are really great

      See now that's a good idea. In my opinion it's easy to point out flaws, but the real challenge (and the most rewarding) is to come up with good ideas.

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @Jar said:
      See now that's a good idea. In my opinion it's easy to point out flaws, but the real challenge (and the most rewarding) is to come up with good ideas.

      Yes, for sure. If this was all done for free, it would be our job but, in this case, people who post LEB offers are getting paid. It should be their job then. Dont you agree? It is no longer a free community, sort of speak.

    • jarjar Provider
      edited October 2015

      @MrGeneral said:
      Yes, for sure. If this was all done for free, it would be our job but, in this case, people who post LEB offers are getting paid. It should be their job then. Dont you agree? It is no longer a free community, sort of speak.

      Everyone needs a hand. Doesn't much matter who is or isn't getting paid, if you like something enough and want to see it succeed, you contribute :)

      Just like the many open source projects out there run by companies that have paid staff. That's no reason not to contribute code to something you use.

    • If they don't post offers, then that's a problem.
      If they post offers, that's another problem.

      Looking at my icedove rss feed since August 27th, 2015, there is a post on every 2 days or less than 2 days a bit.

      There's only so much offers and hosts you can churn out before becoming repetitive.

      It's also worth noting, that since August 27th, Marten was only posting one offer. http://lowendbox.com/blog/virtualrocket-vrocket-io-smartvps-with-512mb-ram-for-4month/

      The rest of them were tutorials.

      Everything else were posted by Jonathan Tan, whether he's a real or person or not, is for you to decide or management to confirm.

      The posts aren't just posted like a blogger does, they are scheduled to be posted usually at 02:00 and 14:00.

      That's something they must have figured out over the years.

      As to whether a host's good or not, there's the comment section, if that's lacking, use google, and search site:lowendtalk.com + host's name.

      You're not supposed to be reliant on single sources of information anyway.

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    • jarjar Provider

      GM2015 said: whether he's a real or person or not

      He is. He's a really great guy :)

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    • Well, I guess LEB is bound to fizzle out. It was supposed to help cheapskates find smaller providers with better pricing than large outfits (which presumably already have good visibility). There's no sense having LEB just to point to OVH. What's needed to get things going again are smaller providers than can beat OVH pricing. Righty ...

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    • Well, I'll believe you. I just assume regularly that on the internet, everybody is either from the USA or Asia, is male and between 30 or 40 and out to get my money.

      This way, you don't get suprised too often.

      Jar said: He is. He's a really great guy :)

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    • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

      wait... what? This guy has an LEB offer with a website without any address information public + private whois and you complain about a missing VAT number? I'm much more worried about that....

      What EU country does even allow you to operate a commercial website without any contact info? Someone should buy, not pay, and just post the address data from the invoice here/at LEB (or if it does not contain any either best to PT authorities directly).

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @Jar said:
      Just like the many open source projects out there run by companies that have paid staff. That's no reason not to contribute code to something you use.

      OK that's a valid point, makes sense, at least to point them some offers, then they could elaborate the offer.

      @William said:
      wait... what? This guy has an LEB offer with a website without any address information public + private whois and you complain about a missing VAT number? I'm much more worried about that....

      What EU country does even allow you to operate a commercial website without any contact info? Someone should buy, not pay, and just post the address data from the invoice here/at LEB (or if it does not contain any either best to PT authorities directly).

      Yup. That's another thing. That post should have never been published without contact information. The VAT thing was just something I caught that surely isn't true. Wether you own a company as an individual, shares, or whatever, you always have a company VAT number. So it looks basically a shady company, ran by "someone" in order to make some bucks and disappear from the internet.

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    • GM2015GM2015 Member
      edited October 2015

      Not in the UK, you don't need a VAT number until your turnover reaches a certain point and/or you sell on the internet with the 1st Jan regulations.

      Simplified:
      https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register

      The UK gov raises the UK vat reg threshold £2000 every year from my observation.

      MrGeneral said: Yup. That's another thing. That post should have never been published without contact information. The VAT thing was just something I caught that surely isn't true. Wether you own a company as an individual, shares, or whatever, you always have a company VAT number. So it looks basically a shady company, ran by "someone" in order to make some bucks and disappear from the internet.

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @GM2015 said:
      Not in the UK, you don't need a VAT number until your turnover reaches a certain point and/or you sell on the internet with the 1st Jan regulations.

      Simplified:
      https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register

      The UK gov raises the UK vat reg threshold £2000 every year from my observation.

      In this case, he's from Portugal. Any company has a VAT number.

    • JonchunJonchun Member, Provider

      @Jar said:
      The way I see it, LEB needs more interesting offers. So instead of tearing down the few that are getting put up, what you could do is go out in search of new and cool services and post them here. Maybe one of the writers or admins will like what they see and want to post something about them :)

      If that's the case, why are legitimate offers not being accepted? I know for a fact 2 people who have not been posted but the crap that OP mentions somehow got through.

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    • jarjar Provider

      @Jonchun said:
      If that's the case, why are legitimate offers not being accepted? I know for a fact 2 people who have not been posted but the crap that OP mentions somehow got through.

      I dunno, I don't know everything I just like to comment :)

      What I do know....is that I've been drinking red bull and vodka all wrong this whole time. It's much better when it's half and half.

    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @Jonchun said:
      If that's the case, why are legitimate offers not being accepted? I know for a fact 2 people who have not been posted but the crap that OP mentions somehow got through.

      Well if that happened... Then should be reported to @mpkossen? I dunno. It makes no sense tbh.

      @Jar said:
      What I do know....is that I've been drinking red bull and vodka all wrong this whole time. It's much better when it's half and half.

      Don't drive when drunk!

    • MrGeneral said:

      @Jonchun said: If that's the case, why are legitimate offers not being accepted? I know for a fact 2 people who have not been posted but the crap that OP mentions somehow got through.

      Well if that happened... Then should be reported to @mpkossen? I dunno. It makes no sense tbh.

      Well ... probably they mainly post providers that are (A) hosting with colo-crossing or (B) going to make providers in category (A) look good by comparison.

    • NekkiNekki Moderator

      @Jonchun said:
      If that's the case, why are legitimate offers not being accepted? I know for a fact 2 people who have not been posted but the crap that OP mentions somehow got through.

      I'm assuming (I have zero knowledge of what goes on at LEB btw) that successful or not, there has been a concerted effort to move away from the same ol' repeated offers to different providers who aren't active around LE*, hence why some of the submitted offers aren't being used (and to be fair, it's never been a given that submitting an offer means it'll get posted).

    • GM2015GM2015 Member
      edited October 2015

      People can always make a drama thread on lowendtalk about a provider if they're crap.

      There was a lying 10 year old a few months ago who had a post on lowendbox and got it removed after some people bitched on here and spammed lowenbox with comments pointing over the thread here as well.

      The kid had minecraft faces on their about us page and got ridiculous amounts of comments over a matter of hours.

      Jonchun said: If that's the case, why are legitimate offers not being accepted? I know for a fact 2 people who have not been posted but the crap that OP mentions somehow got through.

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    • vfusevfuse Member, Provider

      @MrGeneral said:
      In this case, he's from Portugal. Any company has a VAT number.

      If he's serious about his business he should request a VAT number voluntarily, you can even do this with no turnover.

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @vfuse said:
      If he's serious about his business he should request a VAT number voluntarily, you can even do this with no turnover.

      In Portugal you get a VAT number when you register the company.

    • LeeLee Member

      I just don't bother with LEB any more, quality of posts, quality of provider, all gone south.

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    • mpkossenmpkossen Member
      edited October 2015

      @Nekki said:
      I'm assuming (I have zero knowledge of what goes on at LEB btw) that successful or not, there has been a concerted effort to move away from the same ol' repeated offers to different providers who aren't active around LE*, hence why some of the submitted offers aren't being used (and to be fair, it's never been a given that submitting an offer means it'll get posted).

      Indeed, the reason we list so many new hosts is because repeating the same old offers over and over again wasn't benefiting anyone anyway.

      And an offer submission is indeed never a guarantee for listing, though judging on the perspective (and sometimes attitude) of people that isn't really clear to all.

      With regards to PredatorVault: the WHOIS information was checked when they were scheduled and it was public at the time as far as I remember, or I made a mistake. That they changed it later or that I may have made a mistake is something that can happen and it's great to see the community pick up on that.

      We have no set way of dealing with these things, mostly because it's not really straight-forward: how long after an offer has been posted do you check whether WHOIS is still public and do you remove the offers when it's not public anymore are questions that come to mind. That's something that should be worked on and I've just added a reminder to do something with that some day.

      With regards to the e-mail notifications on comments: a year back I've looked into a plugin that could do this and would not require registration. I was unable to find that at the time.

      Right now I'm looking at a plugin that works with registration and I'm waiting for a development node to give it a test on LowEndBox. If it works, we'll have that functionality back.

      Other than these two specific cases I've been working on a different format and way of featuring hosts on LowEndBox. I've ran something past the Community Advisers and I'm going to establish a timeline for implementing that soon. I've got some other ideas as well which I'd like to write down this weekend. Hopefully I can implement those soon. One of them is providing regular updates on what's going on behind the scenes, why we do certain things, etc. I'm a big fan of transparency (within reason, naturally) and I hope to be able to create more of that.

      As always, I value community feedback so if you have any, feel free to share it in the Feedback & Suggestions thread (it's not limited to LowEndTalk) or send me a PM.

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    • Minor update: it seems I have indeed made a mistake with this one, for which I'd like to offer my apologies.

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    • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

      @vfuse said:
      If he's serious about his business he should request a VAT number voluntarily, you can even do this with no turnover.

      This is not legally possible everywhere.

    • For once a non-clown post by op. Kudos. Totally agree. Posting crap like this on LEB between serious/good hosts is an insult to the latter

    • @GM2015 said:
      Everything else were posted by Jonathan Tan, whether he's a real or person or not, is for you to decide or management to confirm.

      Jonathan Tan = @jcaleb

    • Dylan said: Jonathan Tan = @jcaleb

      He is one of the most loyal, nice and sweet, person in LEB/LET. You give him your address, and he will send you a postcard.

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    • jcalebjcaleb Moderator
      edited October 2015

      GM2015 said: Everything else were posted by Jonathan Tan, whether he's a real or person or not, is for you to decide or management to confirm.

      I am a real person. Here is my facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.tan.399041

      Here is a picture of my family

      image

      Here is the baby pictures of me, my wife, and my son

      image

      A picture of me having video call with my son

      image

      Here is my mom, you don't mess with her. She can take your head off

      image

      For LEB post. Yes I write most of the offers in LEB because that is my role. I am a bit inactive in LET, because I am very busy taking care of my son who has special needs.

    • jcalebjcaleb Moderator

      MrGeneral said: The offer was posted in 23th, Oct, 2015, by Jonathan and I wrote a reply stating the above information in the 24th. No reply from Jonathan at all. It seems LEB staff doesn't even bother to read the replies, nor to obligate the companies to follow the rules.

      Let me explain a bit. In my point of view, I only write offers tagged in the ticketing system as ready to write. I write offers with information available at the time I am writing it. I don't choose which host gets through the filtering process, etc.

      I have not clarified with Maarten, but it is my personal preference not to handle complex stuff. I am only willing to do minor edits that don't need decision making. From the original ticket of Carlos, I read all the information that you are pointing out about VAT etc. But it was tagged as ok to write - and so I write it. People have concerns in the comments section yes, but I leave it to others to decide, as I have nothing to do with the selection process.

    • jcalebjcaleb Moderator
      edited October 2015

      MrGeneral said: Well, according to what @mpkossen wrote a few weeks ago, they're paid to do it, so that's their job. in this case, I'm highlightning an offer that was posted that doesn't obey to LEB rules, and even wrote there about it, ended up being ignored. I do agree that LEb needs more interesting offers.

      Yes, I ignored your comments on purpose. That is because I distance myself with decision making. I don't even change pricing when the provider changed their minds, I let someone else decide if that's ok. I don't even publish my posts automatically, I just put it under "Pending Review" status. I only edit things that are very minor. Just explaining my position so that you don't expect too much of me :p

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    • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

      @jcaleb,

      Sure thing. I have no doubts you're a great guy, and you do a great work.

      Until now, the post is still up, wasn't removed at all. Should have been.

      In the time you posted it, you double checked if WHOIS was private or not. If no valid VAT was provided and WHOIS is private, then it should be your decision to not post it or, at least, to inquire about it. It's a false lead. You never know what may happen with a serious company, and that's even worse with a random company, that sounds nothing but a scam.
      It's just a SYS server, with a bare whmcs installation, no contacts in their website, nothing at all.
      If you're paid to do so, then you should put a little more effort IMHO. I'm not judging you, or saying you do a bad work. I said it was a mistake and until now, it wasn't corrected yet.

    • Eh, I remember the time when LEB had all sorts of fishy offers, and people reading already knew it's not up to LEB to tell them if it's legit or not, it's up to readers to decide if they want to give it a shot. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. The day LEB become a place where you expect to see only 100% verified offers is the day LEB started dying.

      Most obvious example, BuyVM. Look up their first offer on LEB.

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    • MrGeneral said: Until now, the post is still up, wasn't removed at all. Should have been.

      You think it should have been.

      How would removing it benefit anybody but the host itself? The warning is out there now. If we remove it, there's no warning anymore. What happened happened; let's more forward.

      MrGeneral said: In the time you posted it, you double checked if WHOIS was private or not. If no valid VAT was provided and WHOIS is private, then it should be your decision to not post it or, at least, to inquire about it. It's a false lead. You never know what may happen with a serious company, and that's even worse with a random company, that sounds nothing but a scam. It's just a SYS server, with a bare whmcs installation, no contacts in their website, nothing at all. If you're paid to do so, then you should put a little more effort IMHO. I'm not judging you, or saying you do a bad work. I said it was a mistake and until now, it wasn't corrected yet.

      It's not Jonathan's job to do that, it's my job. So don't take this out on him. He's a great guy and he's doing an amazing job writing the offers. No need to take shots at him.

      You make it sound like the end of the world, while it's just a tiny mistake that has meanwhile backfired on the host. I think there's no way this could have ended better: the host seems to try to hide who they are, they get some bad feedback in return.

      @vedran said:
      Eh, I remember the time when LEB had all sorts of fishy offers, and people reading already knew it's not up to LEB to tell them if it's legit or not, it's up to readers to decide if they want to give it a shot. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. The day LEB become a place where you expect to see only 100% verified offers is the day LEB started dying.

      Most obvious example, BuyVM. Look up their first offer on LEB.

      Exactly this! The community is our power and I'm working hard to give the community the tools they need to use that power (like e-mail notifications on LEB comments).

      Fishy offers will always be on LET occasionally, just like offers from established hosts. It's been like that for years and that's one of the things I don't think we should change.

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      I recommend Prometeus, the best provider ever!

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