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Raided for running a Tor exit - Accepting donations for legal expenses
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Your posts aren't even internally consistent though, it's not that you are some 'edgy' revolutionary. you actually make contradictory posts and have no coherence
capitalization (or lack thereof) don't make my posts less readable, because I have the ability to keep them terse and on-point, while Mao will change topics 3x in the same run-on sentence
Indeed. and you are a psychiatrist and can easily dismiss people with other opinions as insane. It used to work in the past, we will see if it will work again. Isolating the sick "elements" of the society benefits everyone, including the target.
The law has too many loopholes today, you must do something wrong first and only then the law can take action when the damage has been done, preemptive measures must be taken same as in terrorism cases, we cannot wait for the pedophile or terrorist to act, we must act at the first signs, people advocating privacy and anonymity are at least sick and at worst criminals. they must be treated for their illness and stopped from doing propaganda around.
Way to skip quoting what I said about 'internal consistency' and paint me as some kind of eugenist (while proving my point)
Alright guys, can we please stop here? Enough is enough. This topic has derailed for more than expected. Please break it up here and just either focus back to the topic or don't post in here. If you guys have beef with each other (and you've got more beef than the McDonald's inventory) please take it outside of this thread.
Does that actually count as beef?
You probably dont know what that means, but cannot blame you for that, you are probably american given the way you argue against personal freedoms and the public school system is not great while the religious one is even worse.
In this case, yes.
if memory helps in this case there were also found other things that don't mix well together, like drugs and firearms. Or maybe i'm confusing with an other tor node seizure.
so right now we're discussing with just very limited information. And i even if a read the legal tor users part i still think that an important part of tor traffic is not legal. In this case it was used to facilitate (if i understand correct) child porn. And as far as i know tor node do NOT have anything to avoid that. Alert systems, blacklists of websites, automatic police notification when an exit node search for drugs or other illegal things. I don't see anything in tor done to try to keep away this kind of illegal use.
Marijuana stored in a safe next to firearms.
Sit back and imagine the logistics of doing this in a project of Tor's scale. What police would be automatically contacted if the exit node knows that a person is searching for "illegal things", considering onion routing means the exit node does not know who's actually doing the searching?
Who would be keeping up these blacklists, and what stops owners of illicit websites from creating new URLs to circumvent the blacklists or Tor users from using measures to get around blockages -- I mean, hell, there's a thread about circumventing the GFW on the LET front page next to this thread.
ok
This is so absurd, so absurd... The really sad thing is people are blinded by the propaganda and dont see it
@Maounique – Whilst it is true I am in the camp of not being overly concerned about privacy issues that is of course my choice. I am however always happy to listen to others views, of all people Joepie in previous discussions actually made some quite sound points that persuaded me in some areas that privacy was in some regards, more important than I would have be interested enough to consider.
Unfortunately though you are more of a snake oil peddler, incapable of engaging with others on a subject and having a debate about it because you lack that life skill. When you get into a discussion you are clearly passionate about it becomes all about you and your incoherent rants, every question responded to with a question and rarely connected to the original point. You cast aside everyone’s view and reply with your replacement, which is inevitably to piss all over their point with your own version of what is right. Not because you have solid points or views, more simply that you do not know how to engage with people as well as you may well think.
I won't respond to your rant that I am sure is coming..
As long as you do not impose your choice on me, good for you. As it is now, the universal declaration of human rights as well as the constitution and un charta not to mention countless other laws and pieces of legislation in every democratic country tend to agree with my view. Only NSA, Patriot act and a few other provisions are, for now, agreeing with your view, but they do tend to be applied regardless of the bulk and more powerfull contrary legislation, so you win.
If you do not like other opinions, you may try to stay at the other board, you'll find there friendly admins with similar views. There is a choice for everyone.
I doubt he'll read it but this is the point I've tried to make to him many times before, so it's worth quoting again since he only gleans 5-6 words from each post.
I can tell somewhere deep inside his posts are probably rational ideas worth discussing, but damned if they aren't mixed in a deluge of unconnected points and accusations of freedom-hating, propaganda-consuming mindlessness, and even genocidal tendencies directed at everyone who doesn't quote his rants and say "I agree".
everyone but you, and only you, as always
It seems unlikely that he is in jail considering he was on yesterday.
He probably wouldn't believe me if I told him I understood his point of view and agreed with a lot of it, although its mostly irrelevant to the thread it's posted in.
This thread is about someone prosecuted and destroyed because was believing in human rights and the constitution and did something to make it harder for anyone, governments or identity thieves, to intercept private communications.
Instead of support, he got bashing and gloting from the police state advocates plus a lot of crazy ideas which basically converge on "privacy is bad and whoever wants to use this fundamental right is a criminal, even more so, those that facilitate it must get a lot of retribution because we cannot educate and watch over our kids nor are we able to use century old police methods to find the real perpetrators".
I would say it is EXTREMELY relevant.
No. It's healthy debate & talk, let it continue IMHO.
Would I be correct to assume that you find fabricating claims to suit your point of view particularly enjoyable?
Ignoring the technical difficulty in doing such a thing, most ISPs don't do that either. And things become more problematic when you're dealing with international traffic (what's considered illegal?).
And is illegal activity all that bad anyway? (remember law != ethics) Is Wikileaks really such a horrible entity, or have they allowed citizens to question authorities who abuse their power in secret?
My opinion is that we are privileged that tools such as Tor assist with providing us the knowledge of power abuse, and the ability to keep our governments in check, even if these actions are technically illegal (and that the legislature is unlikely going to draft laws that work against them).
Besides, what would a notification system do anyway? Tell law enforcement that someone, anywhere in the world, accessed some forbidden resource? Good luck tracing them down through Tor.
Fixed it. Criminals dont need Tor, they dont care about privacy laws or any law in general. They are hiding by using other means, stolen identities, botnets, hacked VPSes or even home routers, stolen phones, public or open wi-fis as well as WPS or WEP ones, in any small town you can find one every street at least.
By cracking down on privacy the police is wasting resources, time, is infringing on citizen's rights, the privacy adverse legislation and surveillance are also wasting billions every year, not only from the state, but also from the "tax on surveillance" that ISPs must pay by creating ways to keep data for years as well as automated access for "the good guys", money which could have been spent on actually finding and punishing the criminals as well as innovation which can protect both privacy and the innocents.
The fight against privacy is a smokescreen, it is not intended to reduce crime, it is not intended to protect the citizens, it is intended to create and protect the police state from the people which pay for it.
I'm pretty sure if it went to a simple vote (on here) with a carefully worded question like 'are tor exit node operators totally absolved from the information transmitted through that node', you would get something like 80+% saying yes, likely a bit higher.
Of course you would, but then that is more about the member type than anything else.
I am so glad that I am not American.
This thread is absurdly funny, seriously, it's by far the most funny thing i've read in days.
§12 is indeed a bitch, it can be used on any law.
Then let me state it: I did not profit in any way from donation money except lawyer hours, travel costs (to Vienna and back) and 90EUR for 10 more Tor middles.
Fun fact here is that the Police officially ACKNOWLEDGED that I was not the guy sharing CP - In most civilized countries this would never have ended in a court case from there on.
I would further never go to prison - I would instead get into a closed psychiatric clinic on recommendation of various Psychiatrists and 2 different Mental health clinics i visited.
(This is even worse as currently, illegally as already defined by the EU, you can be hold forever against your will in there).
Now carry on with this funny thread, i might read some more of this bs at another time.
They should just ban people from having kids! then there will be no more child porn! lol.
Kids should just be locked down until they get 18, they are of no use anyways.
For organised crime, definitely. I was merely covering for illegal activities committed by those who you wouldn't usually consider a criminal.
I largely agree, but I think it's a bit of an overstatement. In this particular case (running a Tor exit node), it's a waste of resources IMO to shut the operator down - no children were or will be saved and it won't prevent any further child abuse.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these operations have yielded success. It's also a bit hard to judge whether or not it's worthwhile without figures to compare with.
From the perspective of law enforcement, privacy is arguably a hindrance. How much of a hindrance is debatable, but I think we can say it's non-zero. Of course, whether it's worth it, as well as the costs in terms of privacy come into play, although law enforcement rarely cares about the latter (as it's not really their concern - somewhat a problem with assigning roles to organisations).
I would agree overall with the idea that efforts to fight crime are misplaced, but of course, it's easier to use the Tor exit node operator as a scapegoat than it is to go after the real criminals. There's always the question of whether the real criminals can be caught, so maybe one has to find these scapegoats to justify their funding. Not ideal perhaps, but real world problems...
I didn't have financial profit in mind. You chose to run the node for a reason though. You might think you're being entirely altruistic but I think that's fanciful.
I don't get why you think the thread is 'BS'. Curiously the people who think there's an unequivocal right to send and retransmit anything privately also seem to be the ones intolerant to another point of view.