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WebHostingTalk Worst of the Hosting Industry

DillybobDillybob Member
edited June 2015 in General

Finally finished rendering this. People who are hosting providers deserve better, be careful out there. You can view click links in the video's description.

If the future of the webhosting industry is dictated by a corporate title tag.. we have a HUGE issue. Help make it stop by boycotting WebHostingTalk

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  • I'm surprised someone made a video of it :)

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  • SpiritSpirit Disabled
    edited June 2015

    Ah come on ... it's just some random bigger online forum and personal choice if you want to visit it or not. There's nothing to be upset about. Or maybe is if you really care about someone's other property?

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  • Make sure to file a complaint with their hosting provider as well.

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Spirit said: it's just some bigger online forum and personal choice if you want to visit it or not.

    They own a large market of the hosting industry and are misleading new visitors trying to look for a reputable host. Bear even admits it himself on that post in the video that they do not do quality insurance or background checks, but let's them post 'ads'. That in itself is unethical and disrespectful for the average joe who is trying to find a host and has really no idea about the background of hosts but just goes off of someone's forum 'corporate title'. You could say well, that's the persons fault for not doing a background check themselves. That's the issue though in it's entirety because that person/average joe guy looking for a host should do that ALREADY, and not rely just on WHT. We cannot sit back and let WHT control everything and make hosts 'seem reputable' when all they have to do is pay a price with no background checks, anyone could spend $1,400.

    I would have no issue about the corporate title if they did periodic background checks on companies.

    Now, about the benefits these corporate/premium tiles give... are just unbearably sad. Which I tried to outline in the video.

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  • Do you realize the amount of time you've spent on this? Think about all the better things you could do.

    If you care about others, volunteer (for example). Just my point of view.

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  • jhjh Member

    I think we all know this. WHT's prime era passed a long time ago. There are barely any serious hosting clients on WHT and the memberships are completely worthless.

  • vfusevfuse Member, Provider

    @jhadley said: I think we all know this. WHT's prime era passed a long time ago. There are barely any serious hosting clients on WHT and the memberships are completely worthless.

    I agree the only reason people post on WHT is for advertising reasons. People are not able to advertise outside of the ad forums which makes people post completely useless stuff as long as they can have their signature with links in the thread.

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  • LeeLee Member

    The OP appears to have a personal issue with WHT, someone over there clearly burst his balloon, but he is not saying why.

    It's better to keep your mouth closed, and let everyone wonder if you're stupid; than to open it and remove all doubt.

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  • @Lee said: The OP appears to have a personal issue with WHT, someone over there clearly burst his balloon, but he is not saying why.

    Perhaps hes banned like alot of other people that cant behave over there that complains about WHT. At LET they can behave like crap and get away with it most of the time.

  • fitvpnfitvpn Member

    Sounds like competitors battle in American style, create haters site or video on YouTube..

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  • k0nslk0nsl Member, Member without signature
    edited June 2015

    Your narration is quite good (wrote too early: hence the edit).

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider
    edited June 2015

    Dillybob said: Bear even admits it himself on that post in the video that they do not do quality insurance or background checks, but let's them post 'ads'. That in itself is unethical and disrespectful for the average joe who

    Yet you post the complaint about them on another forum who's owners do even less checking and did not even admit to owning the forum to begin with and then later to owning a number of the hosts that post offers.

    ironic much?

    tl;dr learn to wipe your own arse.

  • According to VPSB, apparently some members get co-operate memberships for free (including Jon) :O

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    AnthonySmith said: Yet you post the complaint about them on another forum who's owners do even less checking and did not even admit to owning the forum to begin with and then later to owning a number of the hosts that post offers.

    Are you talking about VPSboard? What do you mean exactly?

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  • ZenZen Member

    @Dillybob said:

    Are you talking about VPSboard? What do you mean exactly?

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  • sinsin Member
    edited June 2015

    WHT is terrible - it's comical to open up a new thread there and go down the list of posts to see nothing but "what are your needs" or posts that are so far off-topic it's not even funny just to spam their sig. Then you have people with thousands of posts there that post complete nonsense.

    It's refreshing to visit LowEndTalk and see actual conversations and great advice from members here that know what they're talking about not to mention all the great help from the LowEndHelpDesk support team.

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  • k0nslk0nsl Member, Member without signature

    LET/LEB is known to be a shill front for CC shell companies or 'companies' affiliated with CC. Shady practices galore, etc,. Plus a bunch of other things which I have no energy to even list because at this point I'm not really giving a crap about it.

    @Dillybob said:

    Are you talking about VPSboard? What do you mean exactly?

  • Glad that there are someone who understand that wht business is shitty. There are similar band in Russia called searchengines, which do the different thing, but also destroying the market - they promote selected hosting providers and services (their partners, who offer them free services or pay them) and remove complaints about them (add all all who write complaints to banlist). And the bad thing, is that tens thousands of regular users trust this forum and ask help there, just because no better big alternative exists.

    I hope LET will be here around and not die. Even when it's owned by colocrossing, free speech is here and i did not see that in other forums. Sad for me that LET auditory seems decreased in last two months by 4x factor (2M monthly -> 500K monthly) and no idea where does they go :)

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    sin said: It's refreshing to visit LowEndTalk and see actual conversations and great advice from members here that know what they're talking about not to mention all the great help from the LowEndHelpDesk support team.

    Going to emphasize this a bit. I have 5 or more people in my inbox page here on LET that w/o them, I would be so far behind in where I am now in terms of learning linux and vps's (especially iptables); I have no idea where I would be. It's insane how helpful this community is. Quite the opposite experience at WHT though, I can tell you that.

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  • ColoCrossing is getting better though - my IPs hosted with them aren't blacklisted anymore.

  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    k0nsl said: LET/LEB is known to be a shill front for CC shell companies or 'companies' affiliated with CC. Shady practices galore, etc,. Plus a bunch of other things which I have no energy to even list because at this point I'm not really giving a crap about it.

    Aww yeah I get what @AnthonySmith's point is now. But isn't comparing LET to WHT basically apples to oranges? It's a totally different community / business practice. There are no corporate tiles here or paid 'stickys' AFAIK?

    If the future of the webhosting industry is dictated by a corporate title tag.. we have a HUGE issue. Help make it stop by boycotting WebHostingTalk

  • sin said: WHT is terrible - it's comical to open up a new thread there and go down the list of posts to see nothing but "what are your needs" or posts that are so far off-topic it's not even funny just to spam their sig. Then you have people with thousands of posts there that post complete nonsense.

    It's refreshing to visit LowEndTalk and see actual conversations and great advice from members here that know what they're talking about not to mention all the great help from the LowEndHelpDesk support team.

    I agree.

    Whatever the drama about the alleged sinister relationship between Colocrossing and this forum, the fact remains that LET works more like an actual forum. People speak their minds, and have fun, at the expense of idiots like Jonny. We get actual offers, and they get analysed by members, and people who don't have a clue regarding buying a VPS get inputs by reading criticism of offers.

    The only time I read WHT is when someone over here links to an offer thread over there. And I'd actually registered in WHT a year before I even heard of LEB/LET. I'd realized quite early that WHT doesn't work like an actual forum, than an ad dump.

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  • jarlandjarland Provider
    edited June 2015

    All you need to know about WHT:

    • Write a bad review of a company the mods like, be unable to prove you were ever a client. It will be gone.

    • Write a bad review of a company they love to hate, you don't need to be a client, it won't even disappear if someone reports it.

    To put it simply, it killed it's usefulness by being unwelcoming to new members, inconsistent (but militant) with enforcing rules, and overly permissive of the "signature spamming" posts (which mean poor quality posts simply to inject the links in your signature).

    WHT worked hard to make itself what it is today, it was their choice. It was my choice to stop participating in their game. I'm too old to be treated like a child by forum moderators. The industry moved on without WHT, you won't see Amazon in the VPS offers forum today.

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  • Long time ago I often visit WHT to find and learn about hosting industry.

    But now, LET become my primary forum.. never back to WHT again.. too many spam there.

    Good job LET.

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  • Wira_Soenaryo said: But now, LET become my primary forum.. never back to WHT again.. too many spam there.

    Not only that, but it takes 3 seconds to refresh.... It's fucking horrid.

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  • Pretty sure there's a lot of caching going on WHT since of the amount of traffic they receive vs. LET.

  • oh, looks like there's a niche for 'honest' 'unbiased' hosting reviews.

    ...

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    @ricardo said: oh, looks like there's a niche for 'honest' 'unbiased' hosting reviews.

    ...

    My white whale!

    LET is the best I've seen for legitimate reviews, because we don't mind letting the community rip them apart when something seems off. That's really the key to this place, letting people do their thing while the admins remove spam.

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  • @Jar said: while the admins remove spam.

    That's the only criticism i have with LET. It takes ages for the mods/admins to remove any bad stuff. Looks like more mods are needed over here.

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  • @Jar, yeah this place ain't bad, apart from the odd fascination with the likes of GVH.

  • MicrolinuxMicrolinux Member
    edited June 2015

    Dillybob said: We cannot sit back and let WHT control everything

    They don't. I think you put too much stock into the sway WHT has. In the grand scheme of things, they make tiny ripples. That being said, yes, I think it has gone severely downhill.

    Call the Internet Police!

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited June 2015

    @Profforg said: I hope LET will be here around and not die. Even when it's owned by colocrossing, free speech is here and i did not see that in other forums. Sad for me that LET auditory seems decreased in last two months by 4x factor (2M monthly -> 500K monthly) and no idea where does they go :)

    I think two possible issues:

    Regarding searchengines, I completely agree with you. I want to add that there a lot of member with high reputation who thinks that they are PRO but in reality noobies! New members will get negative reputation if some noob decide that he knows better than him! Haha! That's reality !

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Microlinux said: They don't. I think you put too much stock into the sway WHT has. In the grand scheme of things, they make tiny ripples. That being said, yes, I think it has gone severely downhill.

    Call the Internet Police!

    They are a huge percentage of the hosting industry though, you can atleast agree on that. One thing I'd like to mention is about 2 years ago, my Indian friend across street wanted to create a website for his new Restaurant he was opening up.

    I told him hey, no problem I'll be more than happy to create your restaurant menu & site. A few days later, he calls me up and tells me he found a host at webhostingtalk. I said oh really? Who are they? He says 'StableHost', I said 'are they reputable?', he says 'Yeah, this profile has a forum badge' (he was viewing their profile/ad on WHT). I said "ohh, okay sweet let me look them up and I'll get back to you". So, you know, I googled StableHost, found some reviews did the background stuff. Then, I got back to Raji and told him yeah you found a good host, nice job!

    What if it was GreenValueHost instead of 'StableHost'? Would it be fair for my Indian friend who just wants a stable/fair hosting provider to have to deal with what GreenValueHost did to all it's customers? What if I wasn't even there to help him? He instantly thought that host was trustworthy just by his 'forum badge' (what he probably meant was corporate tile). Stuff like this is a prime example at how WHT plays a signficant role in the hosting industry in an extremely belittering and negative away. It's an absolute atrocity and they need to be held accountable for their false promise forum tiles. Regardless if it's a public or private entity is irrelevant, what is relevant is how they offer a 'fake' corporate tile that makes you instantly trustworthy for ANYONE who has the money to buy. That's the same logic as buying a light-bar on Amazon and becoming a police impersonator the next day and pulling people over. You're not an officer, you're an impostor. Same logic applied to these tiles, only a few are reputable hosts.

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  • alexvolk said: there a lot of member with high reputation who thinks that they are PRO but in reality noobies! New members will get negative reputation if some noob decide that he knows better than him! Haha! That's reality !

    Yeah, that's fully correct.

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  • LeeLee Member

    Nothing new, in fact many of these discussion appear on WHT itself around memberships, value, reliance on badges for visitors and so on. There was a fairly lengthy discussion on it recently actually. I was one amongst many to say it needed to change.

    Still strikes me as odd though, your sudden out pouring against WHT. From your profile of the same name you have been registered for years but now all of a sudden felt the need to go all out on them. I smell BS from you, there is more to this than you are letting on.

    It's better to keep your mouth closed, and let everyone wonder if you're stupid; than to open it and remove all doubt.

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Lee said: Still strikes me as odd though, your sudden out pouring against WHT

    My main account on WHT was banned 2 days ago for no reason whatsoever. I find that hilarious how they enforce rules out of their own jurisdiction. I have a feeling it's because of me exposing their corporate member benefits in that Cest Pit thread several days ago. After the ban, I figured I'll just make a video about the benefits instead.

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  • instatechinstatech Member
    edited June 2015

    I used to visit wht in the past but now wht has lost its charm now I spend my time on let instead of wht.

  • k0nsl said: LET/LEB is known to be a shill front for CC shell companies or 'companies' affiliated with CC. Shady practices galore, etc,. Plus a bunch of other things which I have no energy to even list because at this point I'm not really giving a crap about it.

    Care to back that up for us, please?

    PremiumN said: That's the only criticism i have with LET. It takes ages for the mods/admins to remove any bad stuff. Looks like more mods are needed over here.

    The hard part is finding good mods without an ulterior motive. I've got two invitations pending.

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  • LeeLee Member
    edited June 2015

    Dillybob said: I have a feeling it's because of me exposing their corporate member benefits in that Cest Pit thread several days ago.

    You are full of your own self importance I will give you that. When the prices went up on Corp not so long ago it generated this thread on WHT.

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1451996

    Everything and more was discussed in that thread, the tone was clearly one of unhappy members, the point is that you are neither exposing or raising anything new.

    Dillybob said: What if it was GreenValueHost instead of 'StableHost'? Would it be fair for my Indian friend who just wants a stable/fair hosting provider to have to deal with what GreenValueHost did to all it's customers?

    So now it's the responsibility of WHT that someone could make a bad choice because of a badge, nah, that's bollocks. It's a forum , there is a search function. If someone goes to any forum with millions of posts and bases a buying decision simply on a members profile without any other checking on that forum then they need to have a word with themselves. You need to educate that friend to stop him being an easy victim for the many schemes that awaits his stupidity. Can he not just be your friend instead of an "Indian" friend?

    VPSBoard has badges, under names it says "verified provider", the verification carries no more weight than a badge on WHT. In fact I would say that it's more of an endorsement to unsuspecting visitors than premium or corporate. Only by searching on VPSB will you find that having a verified badge/title is not stated as being an endorsement.

    WHT has without doubt went downhill however there are more reasons for that than just management. Providers and what they are have been offering whilst trying to capture their own little market share are as much to blame for the shaping of the traffic over time.

    So yes hold the management of WHT responsible for what you can but also make sure you hold the providers accountable for their part.

    It's better to keep your mouth closed, and let everyone wonder if you're stupid; than to open it and remove all doubt.

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Lee said: VPSBoard has badges, under names it says "verified provider", the verification carries no more weight than a badge on WHT.

    Wrong Wrong Wrong. Yes it does, on WHT you paid $1,400 for that, on VPSboard you pay zero. (AFAIK, dont quote me on this plz). You cannot just disregard the money factor here.

    So, for you to say 'I'm not exposing anything new', did you go visit HostingCatalog.com lately, and do realize that is a perk for a benefit. Do you mind (you can whenever you want) to tell me how getting your company posted there is of any benefit whatsoever? That place is dead and has ad's for dial up still on it. But hell no, it's a perk for paying $1,400 a year. #WHTLOGIC

    You did not address my concern of WHT acting out of their jurisdiction. But instead, you babbled about me calling my 'friend' an 'Indian friend', I better repent or I'll burn in hell for that. Father forgive me.

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  • jarlandjarland Provider
    edited June 2015

    As much as I dislike WHT, I have to agree that they are far less important than you give them credit for. How is AWS doing? How well known are they? How many times a week do they post offers there? WHT is not that big of a deal. Sure, they're big, but in the big picture they're still nothing to write home about. Facebook ads are worth far more than spamming every thread on WHT, IMO.

    Also, attempting to to knock them down a peg will have no result. You won't educate people on LET and VPSBoard in a way that helps your friend across the street to not come across WHT. People still will, and as long as helpless newbies land on the site so will anyone who preys on helpless newbies for a little cash.

    Personally, I'd rather not have sales from WHT (for MXroute), after seeing what it did for Catalyst. The most fraudulent orders came from there, never reeled in a fish worth bragging about from that pond. It's just not where you go to get more than a few legitimate, long term, paying customers in my opinion.

    Let the newbies and the $0.01 yearly shared hosts have their fun. The rest of us will be elsewhere.

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  • LeeLee Member

    Dillybob said: Wrong Wrong Wrong. Yes it does, on WHT you paid $1,400 for that, on VPSboard you pay zero.

    What has money got to do with it for your average visitor? If you friend for example makes a decision based on a badge with no other research then he can't know that one charges for that badge and the other does not. To him they offer some form of protection.

    By your own story telling if he visited VPSBoard he would not research, so the result could be the same, he may have ended up buying from a GVH ad when they were active there in the past.

    Your logic is flawed there.

    Yes I am aware of the hostingcatalog and other issues, the only point I am making is that these issues are being raised often on WHT and you are not highlighting anything new.

    Again, I am not saying they are not valid points.

    What I am saying is that someone has burst your balloon and you want revenge, I can smell it from you.

    It's better to keep your mouth closed, and let everyone wonder if you're stupid; than to open it and remove all doubt.

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  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Jar said: Facebook ads are worth far more than WHT, IMO.

    Hell, that's just more reason not to use WHT or become a corporate member.

    Jar said: You won't educate people on LET and VPSBoard in a way that helps your friend across the street to not come across WHT.

    That's not the point though, that anecdotal story was to set an example of the average joe that is looking for a host that is being mislead by corporate tiles and false promises within WHT.

    If the future of the webhosting industry is dictated by a corporate title tag.. we have a HUGE issue. Help make it stop by boycotting WebHostingTalk

  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Lee said: What has money got to do with it for your average visitor? If you friend for example makes a decision based on a badge with no other research then he can't know that one charges for that badge and the other does not. To him they offer some form of protection.

    No, your logic is absolutely flawed. Money has a HUGE impact and factor for a visitor deciding trustworthiness. If someone see's a corporate title on WHT, that user most likely checks how much that title costs. If it's $1,400 as compared to NOTHING (your argument about VPSBoard) ohhh absolutely it will have an impact of the customer's decision making on whether or not to give that guy more credit/trust. You're telling me, the amount of money someone has donated is irrelevant to whether or not the average joe thinks a little bit more highly of them? Yeah, only in a perfect world. And only if WHT actually did QA & BI checks. But guess what, we both know they do not, your argument really holds no merit.

    Lee said: Yes I am aware of the hostingcatalog and other issues, the only point I am making is that these issues are being raised often on WHT and you are not highlighting anything new.

    Really? And why hasn't anything been done then? What does it take??

    Lee said: What I am saying is that someone has burst your balloon and you want revenge, I can smell it from you.

    And it's people like you who are defending WHT that makes my blood boil.

    You haven't even said anything about how WHT moderated my main account outside of their jurisdiction. Which they have a right to do whatever they want to any account for any reason, but specifically mine, for what cause? Exactly. Cause I said some comments regarding Bear's cataracts and how their benefits for corporate members are garbage? Haha...

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  • OnraHostOnraHost Member
    edited June 2015

    In all honesty:

    1. WHT gets companies far more customers then LET does/ can and has for years.

    2. The quality of customers from WHT are 1000000000000 times better then the customers that come from LET for the most part. The customers from LET for the most part either A. want the entire world for nothing, B. Are a SPAMER, C. A combination of both.

    3. WHT market is much more diverse. Shared, Reseller, Dedicated, Cloud, etc. etc.

    4. No stupid damn pricing limits. I know this is LowEndTalk, but come on. Quality service and Price go hand-in-hand for the most part. LE* for the most part just gives a huge help to all the summer hosts and the ridiculous pricing. Then the customer complains a month or two later.


    You can disagree all you want LET fanboys/WHT haters, but WHT is far better at this point. You can hate the rules and cooperate memberships all you want...but if any of you owned WHT you WOULDN"T CARE AND WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING THEY ARE!!! It's a business...theres a resin why their succeeding and you guys are closing shop :p

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  • 4n0nx4n0nx Member

    I'd appreciate a TL;DR instead of the video. All I know about WHT is that uiehsig had a "corporate" account there and those who were around 2+ months ago know how it ended.

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  • LeeLee Member

    Dillybob said: If someone see's a corporate title on WHT, that user most likely checks how much that title costs.

    OK, I am done with you. If you could hear everyones laughter on hangout right now at that one....

    Good luck, I won't bother you with my nonsense any more.

    It's better to keep your mouth closed, and let everyone wonder if you're stupid; than to open it and remove all doubt.

  • DillybobDillybob Member
    edited June 2015

    Lee said: OK, I am done with you. If you could hear everyones laughter on hangout right now at that one....

    Good luck, I won't bother you with my nonsense any more.

    By your logic, you're saying a new visitor who see's a corporate 'title' under a username doesn't go to the 'Memberships' link out of curiosity to see how much those badges cost? Haha, you couldn't be more wrong. Cya. That's the first fucking thing I did when I first visited WHT years ago, and I know I'm not the only one.

    If the future of the webhosting industry is dictated by a corporate title tag.. we have a HUGE issue. Help make it stop by boycotting WebHostingTalk

  • @Dillybob said: They are a huge percentage of the hosting industry though

    Maybe it looks that way to you, but not really.

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