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Police Could Charge a Data Center in the Largest Child Porn Bust Ever
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Police Could Charge a Data Center in the Largest Child Porn Bust Ever

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Canadian police say they’ve uncovered a massive online file sharing network for exploitative material that could involve up to 7,500 users in nearly 100 countries worldwide.

But unlike past investigations into the distribution of child porn, which typically involve targeting suspects individually, police have instead seized over 1.2 petabytes of data—more than four times the amount of data in the US Library of Co​ngress—from a data center responsible for storing the material, and may even attempt to lay criminal charges against its operators, too.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/police-could-charge-a-data-center-in-the-largest-child-porn-bust-ever

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    said: from a data center responsible for storing the material, and may even attempt to lay criminal charges against its operators, too.

    Cool, so, now the datacenter operators will have to do police dirty work, decrypt and sift through the data stored by customers, or cooperate without a warrant, otherwise will be charged too.
    Hum, I wonder how I didnt see it coming?
    /sarcasm

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  • PwnerPwner Member

    I know I wasn't the only one thinking "Well, there go the Kimsufi's/OVH". ;-)

  • That was my thought too @pwner.

  • @Pwner said:
    I know I wasn't the only one thinking "Well, there go the Kimsufi's/OVH". ;-)

    "North America" - A bell went off in my head thinking it was OVH

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    nexmark said: "North America" - A bell went off in my head thinking it was OVH

    OVH has presence in North America.

  • If the DC did shady things like accepting payments via anonymous untracealbe payment methods and not being able to identify who the customer with those servers is i can see them getting in trouble, yes.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    There are many DCs in NA other than OVH. And 1200TB is only 200-300 HDDs these days, so doesn't have to be "the largest DC" or the like. Also OVH doesn't offer any cheap cloud storage in BHS (hubiC is FR only), and I doubt they just went across hundreds of customer dedis, taking out hard drives (and if they did, they really really have no case against the DC).

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    rds100 said: If the DC did shady things like accepting payments via anonymous untracealbe payment methods

    I was not aware this is illegal, perhaps in the land of free.

  • rds100rds100 Member
    edited March 2015

    @Maounique there are "know your customer" requirements in many areas, and telecommunications is one of them. Also they should be grateful it was child porn and not something that falls under "The Patriot Act".

  • rds100 said: there are "know your customer" requirements in many areas, and telecommunications is one of them.

    I've never seen a law like that in Austria/EU, selling anonymous services is perfectly fine if you don't provide a home/business connection to another location (which then means our telecommunications laws are applicable, which they are not on DC services).

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  • So they will ask for ID from every customer?

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    TheKiller said: So they will ask for ID from every customer?

    Yeah, also visit you at home, confiscate all storage devices and check your bank account for "illegal" transactions, such as donations to UNICEF or Save the Children which, obviously, prove you purchased child porn, or to any muslim charity which show you are a terrorist. This falls under the "just to make sure", "only people with something to hide should be afraid" and "guilty until proven innocent" policies.

    William said: I've never seen a law like that in Austria/EU

    Italy, sadly, forbids anonymous hosting. It also has data retention laws for telcos, but this does not stop the police and judges to ask for "logs" from us too, even if we do not provide more than an explanation to what the law is and to whom it applies, they still insist to send requests from time to time.

  • America: Freedom to Fascism: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0

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  • ATHKATHK Member

    @goodhosting , this why BHS1 is down? Someone hosting child porn on your server?

    Haha.

  • Quick, blame OVH!

  • Why do usa authorities require customer identification? They trace and surveil any and all data traffic anyway.

    And don't you complain about the fbi spooks entering data centers. At least they come with some papers and act as if the authorities cared about law and constitution. That's much better than cops that just kill unarmed veterans or elderly people!

    But don't you get arrogant over there! Soon we Europeans will pull up. Thanks to ttip it won't be courts but company lawyers to decide over cases. Our police is somewhat lacking though in that they do not frequently and arbitrarily kill people.

  • ChuckChuck Member

    The governments want to eat your Internet.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    bsdguy said: they do not frequently and arbitrarily kill people.

    When the war on islam will start here too (already is on IMO), this will also be seen here, police shooting darker people, racists are everywhere and pagan lives dont matter.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    They stated in the story that the data center provided a website for them to login to securely for their child porn. If this is their case I see no problem with law enforcement here, they will embarrass themselves and hopefully never try this again. Trying is one thing, doing is another. We'll see how it plays out.

    We know how little data centers should be involved in such a case, and that they shouldn't be held liable. This reads as though they honestly don't know how a DC works, and hopefully they'll learn a thing or two from it. Not everything has to end negatively.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2015

    Jar said: I see no problem with law enforcement here

    You know how this goes?
    Gov't goes in, busts some chops.
    DC complains because they are at the receiving end without being guilty.
    Is that so? Says the Gov't, they add the people there on the list, they reached for the gun or something, then, since they are "involved" in a CP case, there is no evidence needed, they must prove they are innocent and knew nothing, since the judge will probably have no idea of this mambo-jumbo of IT talk, will think they try to take them for fools and will not need anything more. CP case? You are guilty, at best you are forced to agree you are guilty for a lesser term. Same with terrorism. You are dark, muslim, you contributed to a muslim charity, you are a terrorist.
    The time of justice is long gone, now it is the time of various wars: on drugs, on terror, on child molesting (people always forget that dl child porn=/=child molesting, even if there is evidence).
    And, come on, how hard can it be to put some pictures on a confiscated computer? If they do not have them from the raid (the ones from the staff), will certainly go for a "follow-up" at their home, or a camera, or a phone, or a sd card, and if not, it can still be planted. It is enough to frighten or make a "bargain" with one staffer, he will give any "evidence" the da asks, the others will have now, "real" evidence against them, can only kill themselves and the business is dead already.
    You dont fuck with us Gov't. They can kill people in impunity (well, some nuisance like a little suspension, to keep up the appearances, at least for now when the law does not allow extrajudicial killing yet), be glad you are still alive.

  • William said: selling anonymous services is perfectly fine

    Except for, of course, the Jan 1 2015 tax regulations which require you obtain 2 forms at minimum of proof of your clients residence for taxes.

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  • Rallias said: Except for, of course, the Jan 1 2015 tax regulations which require you obtain 2 forms at minimum of proof of your clients residence for taxes.

    No - The applicable way, that also Swedish VPN providers use, is to pay VAT for EVERY customer - Thus you do not have to obtain any residence proof.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    William said: is to pay VAT for EVERY customer

    Yes, but to whom and in what amount? Those are the questions...

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  • FalzoFalzo Member

    @Maounique said:

    probably handle them like local customers, and pay the local VAT to your local financial authorities. I remember that we talked about that earlier ( regarding filemedia/dedify ;-) )...
    I mentioned that there has to be some kind of fallback that applies, when you are unable to obtain residence proof, so this probably could be one option to go for.

    but after all thats not really on topic. anybody knows more in between which datacenter this happened to?

  • If you read it on vice.com, it must be factually accurate.

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  • Falzo said: probably handle them like local customers, and pay the local VAT to your local financial authorities

    Yea, that's the way to do it, might violate some other laws tho - EU is complicated by now with taxation.

  • Wow. Canadian police are unintelligent brutes.

  • It's no different anywhere. They need a scapegoat. Otherwise if no one pays the price people complain. And it's good publicity. In the end the average person is too dumb to realize this. They are just happy that someone is in jail for it.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    srpurdy said: They need a scapegoat.

    Exactly. A target to put on some people, to show it is worth giving up some rights to remove that pest. And, since the crackdowns started, the problem got worse, only the visible part of it, not to mention the real problem going deeper underground, so, the police cannot really afford to be seen as violating any individual's rights, therefore all must be convicted, the tribunals also understand this "problem" and do not really need evidence in these cases, because, you know, these pictures are illegal and if the prosecution says they were there, we cannot request an expertise to see when were they written on the media, was it consistent with previous usage, did the media age enough, and many other ways to prove counterfeit evidence. This is a big problem and it does not matter if justice is made, the point is to scare the people enough so they will give up their privacy and anonymity in order for the government to be able to blackmail all people that matter and random fox off the street to give evidence against whom they need. Ah, you are involved in a CP case, we make it go if you help us with this issue, kind of thing. Or, hey, mister judge, we need this verdict in this case, if not, we will find ways to appeal and sooner or later a more "cooperating" judge will be "selected" and you will be involved in this CP case.

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