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VULTR begins charging VAT for european customers

VikingLayerVikingLayer Member
edited February 2015 in Providers

Got this e-mail from them just now.

Attention all EU customers,

Under the new European Union Value Added Tax rules being implemented in 2015, Vultr.com is required to begin collection of VAT for European Union customers. VAT will apply to all existing and new services effective 01 March 2015. VAT will not apply to any services prior to that date. The VAT rate charged will be the rate of the country you reside in. For your country of residence, the current VAT rate is 25%. Please make sure your country information is accurate to avoid incorrect rates being applied to your account.

If you have a Valid VAT registration, you may enter it on the settings page:

https://my.vultr.com/settings/

Additional information is available in our FAQ:

https://www.vultr.com/faq/#vat

-- Vultr Operations Team --

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  • said: Vultr.com is required to begin collection of VAT

    And so it begins.

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  • DennisDDennisD Member
    edited February 2015

    Fuck the EU. What about DO?

  • VikingLayerVikingLayer Member
    edited February 2015

    @DennisD said:
    Fuck the EU. What about DO?

    Yeah, I am also wondering when the big guys are joining in. I guess they will try to avoid it for as long as they can.

  • dediservedediserve Member, Provider

    All providers who sell into Europe will have to do the same.

  • dediserve said: All providers who sell into Europe will have to do the same.

    In theory, in practice, well, that is debatable, at least in the short term.

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  • Fuck this. I guess its time to move. Any alternatives?

  • n0my said: Fuck this. I guess its time to move. Any alternatives?

    Depends what alternative means. Saw some people using fake companies with real VAT IDs, also you can always go east instead of west, the russians don't f-ing care, same are south asia fox, australia, south america, not like you are bound to US or EU.

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  • DO have said they have "no plans" as yet to charge VAT but that may well change, so you should at least work on the assumption that at some point you will need to VAT regardless of the provider in the medium to long term.

    In the short term, it will be spotty in terms of who will/wont start charging.

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  • I still don't get it. Where will they pay the taxes they collect?

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  • mikhomikho Member, Provider

    @kerouac said:
    I still don't get it. Where will they pay the taxes they collect?

    To the countries in EU.

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  • @mikho said:
    To the countries in EU.

    So US companies have to send tax payment to every damn seperate country now?

    This is really weird. Why is the US allowing this? What does WTO think about this. It's really odd.

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  • mikhomikho Member, Provider

    @kerouac said:
    This is really weird. Why is the US allowing this? What does WTO think about this. It's really odd.

    Every EU country and so do we. As the new laws from Jan 1st.

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  • Saw some people using fake companies with real VAT IDs

    Yeah, some implementations to adhere to these new rules are pretty bad.

  • tr1ckytr1cky Member
    edited February 2015

    @lars said:
    The sooner the Marxist EU is destroyed, the better.

    lol

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  • larslars Member
    edited February 2015

    @tr1cky said:
    lol

    It's not funny for anyone living in Europe being affected.

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  • @lars said:
    It's not funny for anyone living in Europe being affected.

    I'm from Europe and I don't know which country you're from but there's no communism here.

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  • ChuckChuck Member
    edited February 2015

    Is this the reason why so many terrorism in the European lately?

    Hopefully the government can use the small business tax to stop the terror attacks?

    I like what she said, not what it means.

  • You silly americans saying paying VAT are bad, i don't have any problem with it as i'm used already to paying vat for my goods :)

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  • So will they charge VAT on deposits, hourly billing or end of month invoice?

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  • ChuckChuck Member
    edited February 2015

    @TheRedFox said:
    You silly americans saying paying VAT are bad, i don't have any problem with it as i'm used already to paying vat for my goods :)

    Do you mean European people love to pay VAT? I guess your government should increase the % tax?

    I like what she said, not what it means.

  • J1021J1021 Member
    edited February 2015

    hostnoob said: So will they charge VAT on deposits, hourly billing or end of month invoice?

    It will be applied on invoice at the end of the month.

    Chuck said: Is this the reason why so many terrorism in the European lately?

    Hopefully the government can use the small business tax to stop the terror attacks?

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    EDIT: Results are in.

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  • kerouac said: So US companies have to send tax payment to every damn seperate country now?

    This is really weird. Why is the US allowing this? What does WTO think about this. It's really odd.

    If you sell servers in Germany to customers in Germany your will have to make your customers pay VAT in Germany. Otherwise every company ever could get around VAT laws by jsut operating from "offshore".

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  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    gsrdgrdghd said: Otherwise every company ever could get around VAT laws by jsut operating from "offshore"

    Ding, that actually still works.

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  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited February 2015

    Also for already added funds?

  • It's at the point of sale, 'funds' should never be affected.

  • @TheRedFox said:
    You silly americans saying paying VAT are bad, i don't have any problem with it as i'm used already to paying vat for my goods :)

    Do you own a business? We don't have the problem paying OUR taxes in the UNITED STATES. We are now having to pay UNITED STATES TAX AND VAT. ...EU companies aren't paying US taxes are they?

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  • Just to add some context to this whole VAT Mess for everyone.

    As of today only 6800 companies in the entire EU have registered for the VAT Moss system, there has been no unusual increase in the amount of registrations per state and there are just under 500 non-EU companies that have registered.

    by the EU's own figures this represents less than 1% of the expected number, now Ansnip is revisiting the entire thing, I expect it to change, be delayed, or scrapped, there is significant pressure (with these figures to back it up) that it is actually ruining the single digital market and creating an imbalance in competition which is exactly the opposite of what they wanted it to do (or at least that was the pretty face they used to cover it under).

    This whole thing is like that BS cookie law the UK tried to force on people, it was ignored to the point that they scrapped it as it was never enforceable.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:
    Just to add some context to this whole VAT Mess for everyone.

    As of today only 6800 companies in the entire EU have registered for the VAT Moss system, there has been no unusual increase in the amount of registrations per state and there are just under 500 non-EU companies that have registered.

    by the EU's own figures this represents less than 1% of the expected number, now Ansnip is revisiting the entire thing, I expect it to change, be delayed, or scrapped, there is significant pressure (with these figures to back it up) that it is actually ruining the single digital market and creating an imbalance in competition which is exactly the opposite of what they wanted it to do (or at least that was the pretty face they used to cover it under).

    This whole thing is like that BS cookie law the UK tried to force on people, it was ignored to the point that they scrapped it as it was never enforceable.

    That is some good news to hear! Maybe at the end it will be scrapped and all these companies can keep/pocket the 20% :p

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  • you should come to Malaysia. the people here love VAT / GST .. they said it is good for government, we the people need to sacrifice for government for better future.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited February 2015

    Chuck said: Is this the reason why so many terrorism in the European lately?

    No, those are because many EU countries openly support terrorist states and crimes against humanity, mostly pushed by US.
    We have a saying here, you are middling in the dirty pig food, the pigs will eat you.
    As for the taxes, as said elsewhere I like to pay them, because the state does provide in return, free healthcare, unemployment insurance, free education, etc.
    They may not be that good as the paid for counterparts, but they are a starting point, anyone serious and hard working can manage to reach at least middle-class status using these freebies.
    As for why american companies must pay taxes to EU, well, they dont, those are not their money, the question should be why should american companies COLLECT taxes for EU countries. They are free not to do it, quit doing business with the marxist EU, EU had a lot of costs for US's religious wars, only the "security" investments, terrorist attacks and the gradual loss of freedom cost much more than those meager coins, even if we consider that they are paid by americans, and not by EU people as they are.

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  • Doesn't really matter, we pay 20% on food, petrol, pretty much everything.. and 20% is deducted from my pay every month. Stupid government.

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  • Nick_ANick_A Top Provider

    @AnthonySmith - Can you post direct references to these sorts of things?

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    AnthonySmith said: This whole thing is like that BS cookie law the UK tried to force on people, it was ignored to the point that they scrapped it as it was never enforceable.

    My god, I wasted so much of my life on that stupid fucking directive.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:
    As of today only 6800 companies in the entire EU have registered for the VAT Moss system,

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  • Nick_A said: Can you post direct references to these sorts of things?

    Hi Nick,

    These are things I pick up being part of the EU VAT Action group, the sources are numerous and things I pick up on a daily basis while keeping up passively so I don't keep good track of sources but I can assure you they are good sources.

    At the same time I don't want to push every source to do with this on to LET because frankly I am now of the opinion the more people that ignore this the faster it goes away :)

    I know you are interested and with good reason, If I find any interesting stuff/ links in the future I will email you or tweet them over.

    Ant.

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  • fitvpnfitvpn Member
    edited March 2015

    EU need stop their citizens run out from companies in EU who sell with VAT to companies who sell without VAT for save money.That only way. Taxes a huge income for EU

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  • well i don t think the buzzword is marxism at all. but yes the eu is doing some weird finanical adjustments. now the euro is for shit probably to raise investment into eu. and there s the new trade agreement coming with the us. soon enough, eu will not be what it once stood for -or what people thought it stood for- and all will be lost as it becomes a fusion of the early years of the united states and the late years of the soviet union.

    :(

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  • Nick_ANick_A Top Provider

    Cool, thank you.

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    Surprisingly they started just now?
    They were supposed to do it since 01/01/2015.

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  • frankfrank Member

    This is really relevant to a lot of people here but read this -

    http://euvataction.org/2015/03/19/british-prime-minister-is-taking-the-eu-vat-campaign-to-the-chief-of-the-eu-and-how-you-can-help/

    And do as it says at the bottom. By explaining the impact this poorly thought out change is having on your business it could be overturned. Odds are some change will happen as its undermining the whole taxation system as most companies are ignoring it.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    @Clouvider said:
    Surprisingly they started just now?
    They were supposed to do it since 01/01/2015.

    Most of the EU is and will be very lenient until June due to botched implementation and the fact that paypal said they themselves needed time to allow people to comply (now done).

    Also if you can prove (provide incorporation documents etc) you are a legally registered business Vultr wont charge you any VAT regardless of your registration status.

    To be honest though, I would say 5% of the industry is complying at most.

  • AnthonySmith said: To be honest though, I would say 5% of the industry is complying at most.

    Uncle was very upset a couple of days ago, nobody he knows intends to move a finger, some really had no idea of this directive while he worked hard to change accountant firm, register to MOSS etc. I think that the big companies will probably comply and the smaller ones will close, like we plan with our Iperweb LTD in UK which is VAT exempted. At the first fine we will import all customers in Prometeus and leave UK altogether. We are preparing the exit plan and stand by so nobody will be affected more than being moved to another billing panel. Of course, VAT will then start to be charged, but we will absorb the costs pretty easy because of low Eur rates compared with the GBP in which the Iperweb products are charged in. Hiring a company in UK to do complex billing with MOSS and all is out of the question for 5k revenue a month from there.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Maounique said: Uncle was very upset a couple of days ago, nobody he knows intends to move a finger, some really had no idea of this directive while he worked hard to change accountant firm, register to MOSS etc.

    Yep that is what has really annoyed me, usually I am the first to comply however having spoken to, written to, and emailed HMRC and also having read many of the public statements from MEP's they literally all contradict each other.

    On top of that with the absolute lack of compliance across the board (vast majority) I don't see why I should be the one that suffers the burden, I am taking a similar stance, if there is a fine I will pay it after fighting it and only when someone can justify the 3 official responses that all contradict each other will I fully comply.

    I am compliant in terms of information collection etc now, but I cannot comply fully as true compliance mandates that you must show your prices with VAT based on the customers location in advance of sale (not part way through the checkout process).

    I am convinced with such low takeup a threshold will be brought back for small businesses. (which are considered sub 2 million EUR btw according to the EU)

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  • Nobody is doing anything, seems drops in the ocean ...

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  • @creep said:
    you should come to Malaysia. the people here love VAT / GST .. they said it is good for government, we the people need to sacrifice for government for better future.

    Where I live, it's more or less the same thing. The upside of this is that, while THEY are happy with paying, the state doesn't care enough to hunt those who are not and can avoid the extortion ;)

  • @fitvpn said:
    EU need stop their citizens run out from companies in EU who sell with VAT to companies who sell without VAT for save money.That only way. Taxes a huge income for EU

    A more effective way would be to concentrate people in labor camps, that would really improve the EU income. Plus, there's considerable historical experience, it's not like you're starting this enterprise from zero knowledge.

  • @deadbeef said: A more effective way would be to concentrate people in labor camps, that would really improve the EU income. Plus, there's considerable historical experience, it's not like you're starting this enterprise from zero knowledge.

    Wut? EU labor camps? Where?

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