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Can I prevent host from unauthorized access to my OpenVZ container ?

loydloyd Member
edited August 2014 in General

Is the host permitted to make unauthorized changes to the container? In real-estate world landlords have very limited "emergency only" access to rented premises, not sure how it works in hosting world.

In summary, I requested host to update time on the hardware node and he installed ntpdate inside my OpenVZ container, which obviously would not work. This host has already erased my container once by mistake and it took me considerable time to configure and restore blank container from backups, so I have doubts of his competency and don't want him root-accessing my container. Can I prevent it? Can I check what he has been doing there?

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  • RalliasRallias Member, Provider

    Nope.

    I mean... you might be able to use cyanogenmod's bash fork to log commands, but that's about it.

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  • said: This host has already erased my container once by mistake and it took me considerable time to configure and restore blank container from backups, so I have doubts of his competency and don't want him root-accessing my container. Can I prevent it?

    Move hosts.

  • Installing ntpdate inside your container looks plain stupid and incompetent. I'd change hosts.

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  • loydloyd Member
    edited August 2014

    @kcaj said:
    Move hosts.

    Thanks, but it is hard to find Czech/Slovak 1GB container at $30/yr so I put up with the incompetence for now, although it's becoming quite annoying. I have containers hosting two dozen of domains with dozen hosts in half dozen countries and I literally don't have to do anything for months even years after initial setup and occasional update/upgrade.

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  • MunMun Member without signature
    edited August 2014

    Get a KVM and encrypt the underlying storage.

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  • loyd said: Thanks, but it is hard to find Czech/Slovak 1GB container at $30/yr so I put up with the incompetence for now, although it's becoming quite annoying. I have containers hosting two dozen of domains with dozen hosts in half dozen countries and I literally don't have to do anything for months even years.

    If it sounds to good to be true, then it is probably is. You seem to be highlighting all the problems here yourself.

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  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited August 2014

    @loyd If that's the case then change host and use KVM or Xen HVM. That's my opinion.

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  • loydloyd Member
    edited August 2014

    @kcaj said:
    If it sounds to good to be true, then it is probably is. You seem to be highlighting all the problems here yourself.

    I guess so, thanks all of you guys.

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  • MuZoMuZo Member

    @loyd If you don't mind me asking, which provider are you using?

  • Yeah, if you wish to have some privacy for your files and processes its best to use either KVM or Xen Virtualization.

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  • wychwych Member

    Get a new host you trust or move to KVM.

    Taking a hiatus.

  • The thing about OpenVZ is that you can't really block your host's (or anyone with root access to the hypervisor) access to it. There's no way. So unless you absolutely trust your host, you shouldn't use them. I've never been a huge fan of OpenVZ anyway, so I always recommend XEN/KVM VMs vs OpenVZ.

  • You can't really block your host's access in Xen / KVM either, if the host is determined and knowledgeable enough.

    -

  • ExpertVMExpertVM Member, Provider

    I believe when he make changes to the NTP, it means the ntp can only be installed and configure in the hostnode.

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  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited August 2014

    Every host can view your filesystem without they need to enter but mostly they enter, there are scripts which send you a email when a root user log himself in it works also for enter. But its only 50% Protection.

    It looks like:

    ALERT - Root Shell Access (your.vps.net) on: Fri Feb 14 16:30:47 EST 2014
    
  • loydloyd Member
    edited August 2014

    This VPS hosts small non-profit website with <300 UV/day. There is nothing to hide, I have no privacy concern about files, my only concern is host's incompetence. Website currently works. I have space in France (~12ms to CZ) and it has available resources but move will take extra work so while my site works I will not disturb it. When something occurs and I need to restore server again, I will restore it elsewhere and will not touch sz one with 10ft pole again.

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  • wychwych Member

    @loyd said:
    my only concern is host's incompetence.

    Daily or hourly backups?

    Taking a hiatus.

  • Legally maybe, depending on what country the provider is registered in and where their servers are.

    Technically you're up shit creek without a paddle.

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  • Offer to volunteer to help your host. Then you might be able to fix the things impacting you.

  • @loyd

    What's the name of company, if I may know?

  • NyrNyr Member

    @sz1hosting most likely.

    A shame he's banned already, this could had been fun.

  • loydloyd Member
    edited September 2014

    Yes, it's sz1hosting. I witheld his name before to naively give him benefit of doubt.

    After he announced closing Czech loc, we got to email exchange, he blames me for his failed venture, because I made comment about him deleting my VPS before. Been on his server under 3m, so asked for 50% back to walk away without attempting chargeback, he refused because he believes I am committing fraud against him if I chargeback, what an irony.

    This has been such a waste of time, needlessly restoring and moving server twice among other issues. Of course I moved the server elsewhere. The guy is delusional, he still believes he is providing good service.

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  • Just host with a provider you trust in, when you like to get cheap OVZ.

    OVZ is just a wall of paper which separates from the Node and other containers.

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  • @loyd said:
    Yes, it's sz1hosting. I witheld his name before to naively give him benefit of doubt.

    After he announced closing Czech loc, we got to email exchange, he blames me for his failed venture, because I made comment about him deleting my VPS before. Been on his server under 3m, so asked for 50% back to walk away without attempting chargeback, he refused because he believes I am committing fraud against him if I chargeback, what an irony.

    This has been such a waste of time, needlessly restoring and moving server twice among other issues. Of course I moved the server elsewhere. The guy is delusional, he still believes he is providing good service.

    Delusional doesn't quite cover it.

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  • I get this with GVH all the time, they watch all the porn I store on the vps.

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    I can't believe anyone actually bought anything from that guy.

    Here lies Nekki. He loved massive amounts of storage, K-Pop and calling people cunts.

  • I do a dumb thing now and then.

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    @loyd said:
    I do a dumb thing now and then.

    We all do bud, we all do.

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  • AmitzAmitz Member
    edited September 2014

    @loyd said:
    I do a dumb thing now and then.

    @Nekki said:
    We all do bud, we all do.

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  • sz1 strikes again, still waiting for you to turn up at my door.

  • loydloyd Member
    edited September 2014

    He threatened to have my PayPal and my other hosting accounts closed, see last reply from Staff. I did not even engage much against sz1, I am not here that often and wrote once that he deleted my VPS and then this thread where I did not even mentioned his name until it escalated.

    Client

    Hello,
    received the email that you will be moving clients from CZ location to FR.
    I purchased your service only for CZ location. I have unused large VPS in FR, but need CZ location so if you are moving it, I will have to repurchase from another host.
    Please refund unused portion of the service.
    Best regards

    Staff

    Hello, we have no funds available your comments on let lost us a lot of sales by the way, we can give you a france vps otherwise we can do nothing also we do not do refunds stated in the terms, we have lost alot of money even if you do a chargeback your likely to get nothing at all as we have no money in the account and cards are maxed out. Please work something out with us as a chargeback will get are paypal account closed also yours too as we do not do refunds so you would be commiting fraud.
    Kind Regards,

    Client

    You are mistaken, contract law is above "no refund" policy and ironically you violated your own sale terms. Bankruptcy is only way to protect you from defrauding your debtors.
    I noticed you managed to get banned from forum. I was not following too much, but are you suggesting my info about my server getting deleted caused your ban and loss of sales, or perhaps your own actions?
    You want to work something out, no problem, I'd also like to keep it civil. Return 1/2 of my prepayment and keep my service till Sept 30 and I will walk away and we forget about this. Otherwise there is nothing to loose by contacting credit card issuer, if your PayPal account is closed then you should be fine, it will come from PayPal pocket.
    Best regards

    Staff

    We can give you a france vps or $10.00 nothing else we can do i am sure from the comments you made on our czech offer you can understand you made us fail.
    Kind Regards,

    Client

    You are delusional.
    Either I get at least 1/2 back or I report fraud to the bank and let them deal with it.

    Staff

    We have reviewed your statements and replies and we feel you would commit a charge back from your credit card even if we do send you a partial refund, as you clearly have not read our TOS you bought a virtual product you agreed not to charge back, you are threating us also you made bad statements about us online and caused us loss of earnings now you are saying you will commit fraud you know you will not win a paypal dispute because clearly you are committing fraud.
    We work with other hosts and if you do proceed with a charge back from your credit card we will let them know about your fraudulent actions and also make sure your paypal account is closed for fraud.
    We would have sent you $10 to not do fraud on us but we do not trust you after the statements you have made and threats and the other tarnishing and fraudulent behavior from yourself, you have done enough damage to us already and now you are looking to do more we are very unhappy with the threats you have made.
    Our advice now would be walk away and learn not to damage a hosts reputation when you host with them and not to make threats of fraud and to read a hosts TOS clearly before buying from them.

    Client

    I would have actually walked away because looser like you is not worth the time.
    You believe my 2 comments on 1 forum brought your venture to it's knees. That is flattering and makes me wonder what can I do to you if I put an actual effort. I see you are registered in England, very reachable if anyone cares.
    No reply needed. I have cleared from your server, your service is worthless to me and dumb looser who stole $30 is not worth any action, choke on it. The fact you are a failure is satisfactory enough.

    Bye

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  • @loyd I'd be inclined to chargeback and show moron how things work. He violateS his own privacy policy by sharing client data with friends.

    Furthermore the moron doesn't know how to register a company properly, he is listed as 'sz1Hosting Limited Limited' at Companies House.

  • loydloyd Member
    edited September 2014

    @kcaj I bluffed about chargeback, I used PayPal balance instead of attached CC. Lesson learned. He was ready to give me $10, but this was more about principle to me, if he actually admitted he sold me something he cannot continue to provide, also screwed my VPS, and apologized for all that, I would have been gracious. Absurd. I actually doubt he has any "friends" he can ask to shutdown my accounts, I am very lenient customer, have several VPS with GVH and did not open any ticket yet.

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  • Thread summary: Stay away from this shit bag.

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  • BrianHarrisonBrianHarrison Member, Provider

    @loyd said:
    Is the host permitted to make unauthorized changes to the container? In real-estate world landlords have very limited "emergency only" access to rented premises, not sure how it works in hosting world.

    The laws governing access to your home and access to your leased VPS are different for good reason. You live in your home, you don't live in your VPS.

    @loyd said:
    This host has already erased my container once by mistake and it took me considerable time to configure and restore blank container from backups.

    Even if you were able to prevent your host from accessing your data, nothing will prevent your host from being able to delete your VM.

    Sounds like what you need is a better host.

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  • Seems like he moved on to do SEO: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1411611

    That thread is hilarious.

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  • @kcaj said:
    Furthermore the moron doesn't know how to register a company properly, he is listed as 'sz1Hosting Limited Limited' at Companies House.

    LOL that's hilarious.

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  • The sole director is registered in Indonesia, not sure that a director of a English company can be registered outside of the European Union without a UK service address.

  • PremiumN said: Seems like he moved on to do SEO: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1411611

    That thread is hilarious.

    That isn't the worst thing he's up to lately: https://lowpricehosts.com/

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    @hostnoob said:
    LOL that's hilarious.

    Did you see the other thread? Clearly shilling: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=3d118b33dae1cd111a86aca977cfc19b&t=1404495

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  • hostnoobhostnoob Member
    edited September 2014

    @Nekki said:

    Wow. Someone post in his WHT thread and ask him if he can un-SEO negative reviews about his company :P

    You know the hosting industry is fucked when I think even I could do a better job than many of these hosts.

    Edit: you quoted the wrong person :P

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  • @tr1cky said:
    I get this with GVH all the time, they watch all the porn I store on the vps.

    lol nice one.

  • loydloyd Member
    edited October 2014

    I moved the site, but since the crook refused to refund unspent service, I should still have the VPS.

    At this point I have no VPS and no attempt to move or assign new one was made. When logging to billing site, it says The VPS failed to start. I wonder if the guy just dropped everything and run. I don't feel like opening the ticket because anything this guy says annoys me.

    On another note, from Nov. 18 PayPal is changing the Buyer Protection policy and opening up the dispute window to 180 days: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full

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  • OnraHostOnraHost Member
    edited October 2014

    @loyd

    I know it's online and grammar doesn't necessarily have to be perfect, but how in the F*** did you read any of his responses?????

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  • OnraHost said: I know it's online and grammar doesn't necessarily have to perfect, but how in the F*** did you read any of his responses?????

    I was wondering the exact same thing. Reminds me of a guy trying to talk with marbles in his mouth.

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  • @AuroraZ said:

    lol I'm saying! That was the longest run on sentences paragraph answers I've ever read haha

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  • @OnraHost @AuroraZ

    What are you guys referring to? Was this about quotes I posted on Sept 25 above? He kind of writes a lot and says little, but many people do, it's not that what annoys me, it's the way he thinks.

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  • loyd said: What are you guys referring to? Was this about quotes I posted on Sept 25 above? He kind of writes a lot and says little, but many people do, it's not that what annoys me, it's the way he thinks.

    That has to be one the most contrived and trivial piece of garbage answers from anyone I have ever read. Not from you @loyd but from Sz1 plus half of it made no sense.

    OnraHost said: lol I'm saying! That was the longest run on sentences paragraph answers I've ever read haha

    I am wondering if he talks that way in real life, and if so if he breathes between sentences or if all comes out like he writes it. He must be able to hold his breathe for ever and a day.

    Catch me over at Primary DNS. If you want to chat I am done with this cesspool.

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