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Big Brother Law, unconstitutional in Romania and Europe

MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.ziaruldeiasi.ro/stiri/legea-big-brother-considerata-neconstitutionala--61371.html&edit-text=

The European directive regarding data retention is also in danger.
Snowden did a great thing, woke up the people in EU, hopefully he will manage that in US too.

Comments

  • Maounique said: hopefully he will manage that in US too.

    Here, take this, hot off the presses:

    Glenn Greenwald wrote:
    The National Security Agency and FBI have covertly monitored the emails of prominent Muslim-Americans—including a political candidate and several civil rights activists, academics, and lawyers—under secretive procedures intended to target terrorists and foreign spies.

    According to documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the list of Americans monitored by their own government includes:

    • Faisal Gill, a longtime Republican Party operative and one-time candidate for public office who held a top-secret security clearance and served in the Department of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush;

    • Asim Ghafoor, a prominent attorney who has represented clients in terrorism-related cases;

    • Hooshang Amirahmadi, an Iranian-American professor of international relations at Rutgers University;

    • Agha Saeed, a former political science professor at California State University who champions Muslim civil liberties and Palestinian rights;

    • Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the country.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    Well, the last two I can understand, perhaps they even exposed some war crimes and human rights violations in Israel and US, but for the others it is probably just racial/religious profiling.

  • TWIMC. Situation on 'Net censorship is still worsening in Russian Federation. The "RosKomSvoboda" (site in Russian) (paronomasia on RosKomNadzor, the organization that performs 'Net censorship in RF) keeps people updated on new laws and laws projects threatening fundamental freedoms; it also offers channels to those actively opposing those laws.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014

    @Master_Bo said:
    TWIMC. Situation on 'Net censorship is still worsening in Russian Federation. The "RosKomSvoboda" (site in Russian) (paronomasia on RosKomNadzor, the organization that performs 'Net censorship in RF) keeps people updated on new laws and laws projects threatening fundamental freedoms; it also offers channels to those actively opposing those laws.

    Bah, it looks like Russia took snowden in to learn more about how to copy NSA :( He really is a traitor in this case, giving "the enemy" know-how about how to keep tabs on own citizens :P
    Anyone wanna bet terrorism and child porn in russia will not diminish for this AND law&order will be more busy chasing people which protect their data more than just going after crime?

  • Master_BoMaster_Bo Member
    edited July 2014

    @Maounique said:
    Bah, it looks like Russia took snowden in to learn more about how to copy NSA

    1. Not "Russia", but "Russian government".
    2. They didn't copy anything. 'Net surveillance laws in Russia are very old, and corresponding hardware became mandatory for all large ISPs/hosters since at least 1990th.
    3. Child porn/the rest doesn't suffer in any country. They are just fine reason to apply privacy intrusion and total surveillance - in every country.

    Dubious content migrates to Darknet, where it's unstoppable and can't be efficiently fought. C'est la vie.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014
    1. I could understand the distinction for the soviet government, now it is more or less a legitimate government elected by the people as you claimed on another thread, therefore, nope, I wont take that distinction as I consider the american people directly responsible for all those war crimes and atrocities they do in the name of their gods, they vote the same each 2 years, no matter how bad the situation is.
    2. Not really, the new law just came up recently: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/russian_law_will_force_citizens_personal_data_to_be_stored_data_locally/
      Indeed, the concept is certainly not new and it is only an extension, but I am sure that NSA methods will be employed and possibly refined while surely adapted to local specifics.
    3. Totally agreed, however, there are still many naives which beleive that BS, you can read the thread about william and tor to see to just how big an extent people believe it.
  • Master_BoMaster_Bo Member
    edited July 2014
    1. Shall I assume you haven't visited school and thus can't distinct between "Russia" (all people thereof, that is; all their cultural/whatever else generated in the past) and "Russian government" (people currently at power in Russia)?

    Poor trolling from your side, I'd add.

    1. All Big Brothers try to get one another's experience. I don't care who of them was first in what aspect (I assume our RosKomNadzor is using techniques used by China's GF), the problem is they grow in power very quickly.

    2. Well, one should enlighten people wherever possible. There's actually no other way to make them return to reality and show how little privacy they have, in fact.

  • ricardoricardo Member
    edited July 2014

    Totally agreed, however, there are still many naives which beleive that BS, you can read the thread about william and tor to see to just how big an extent people believe it.

    You're quite the propaganda machine aren't you (an anonymous one at that). Perhaps with your divine right to privacy and freedom of information you can conjure up a solution.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014
    1. The current russian government is an emanation of that past. There is no real history of democracy in russia so I do not expect people to understand how important privacy and anonymity really are for democracy, yet, US people fell in the same trap, so, it is hard to know which triggered this back-peddling from democracy. For a while, even EU seemed like an enemy of it's own citizens and I am sure EU commission will try the same through other means, but they lack a very important thing, a centralized spy agency, so spying in EU is much harder for the commission, they need the cooperation of everyone and the leak risk is way higher. Hopefully people will continue to resist it.
  • @Maounique said:
    There is no real history of democracy in russia so I do not expect people to understand how important privacy and anonymity really are for democracy,

    Sorry for my Martian. Total bullshit.

    My recommendation is to go and learn anything real about Russia. Use something save mass media (including Wikipedia) for that purpose.

    In case of you persist in your trolling: Russian people will most probably don't care of your badmouthing them. However, you are just sounding incompetent and rude. In case you do care of your reputation, of course.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    Master_Bo said: Russian people will most probably don't care

    That is true, to some extent.

  • @Maounique said:
    That is true, to some extent.

    The correct citing is: "Russian people will most probably don't care of your badmouthing them."

    Generalizing, people in general don't care about anything. All the people of all the countries.

    I assume you understand that fully and, as a person caring about democracy (Pericle one, that is - true democracy) you do all you can to enlighten those stuck in ignorance.

    Good luck in your great endeavor (all applaud).

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    Master_Bo said: Pericle one, that is - true democracy

    I don't know if that was serious or only in jest, but some interesting reading (yeah, wikipedia, it is surely biased against russians):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Criticism_of_the_democracy

    Women excluded means there is no democracy.

  • tomletomle Member, LIR
    edited July 2014

    Delete

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  • tomletomle Member, LIR

    Too bad there's no constitutional court in Sweden. The politicians audit themselves and they are not interested in creating a constitutional court either.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014

    From what I know you can go to european court of human rights which will uphold point 12 of UN human rights declaration. Thousands of romanians won there in many cases, from confiscated property to unfair trials and procedures, I am not sure ruling will be similar in cases of countries which are catholic or protestant or which were not under communism and wealtheir, but it might happen, we have seen the austrian authorities are afraid of it.

  • rds100rds100 Member

    The European court of human rights can do nothing, except fine the "guilty" country and rule monetary compensation for the "victim" The compensations are in the ballpark of 10K Euro or so.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    Indeed, but:
    1. The compensation is over the the loss which the person suffered, not instead of. So you recover the costs and receive a compensation for the trouble.
    2. It has an effect, laws have been modified and judges now know this can happen and will weight upon them, you have seen the austrians so eager to offer a plea to william so that he does not appeal. It is no fun to be named and shamed+fined and obligated to pay the victim.

  • rds100rds100 Member

    On point 2 at least here, the one who is usually directly guilty for the wrong doing is not affected in any way. It's the country, i.e. the tax payers who pay the compensations. The government worker who did the wrong thing pays nothing and bears no consequences. So they dont' care and have no motive to improve.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014

    Initially it was here too, but now with so many cases statistics are being kept and things investigated. At best you are not promoted, at worst they will find something during the investigations.
    As for the state paying, yeah, it is true, however, the citizens do find out in a state which does not control all communications and does not keep tabs on what everyone writes, so, eventually, they will demand explanations.
    You can be sure, though, that sweden is no more anxious than austria to sit near romania and bulgaria in the corner at the human rights court, it would set precedents and many people will go for racism and other issues,t hey dont want that.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014

    In other news, if you are UK, you do not have to consider human rights and ruling on them because it comes from EU:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28237111
    UK is about to come officially under "emergency" legislation, in case you havent noticed, there is a war and the pedophiles and muslims are launching rockets on downing street 10.
    If UK goes as far as imposing emergency laws, it means they are scared. Keep up the pressure guys! Claw democracy and human rights back!

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014

    What is sad is that all parties agree. This means the secret services already have at least their leaders on file with something. They probably have at least a few judges and military people too, the country is run by them against the people. This is one of the problems with only a few parties, much easier to control, here the president at most managed to control 3 parties and only temporary, now had to make own and he got 6% in the last election, down from 10 in the referendum 2 years ago.

    Perhaps this "legislative move" has something to do with the strikes, they might be afraid it will be harder to knock down the leaders of it and put the people back in the dens.

  • MicrolinuxMicrolinux Member
    edited July 2014

    It's becoming very clear that all governments that aren't perfect exist for the sole purpose of oppressing their citizens for some as-yet unknown reason that will be uncovered in this week's issue of Weekly World News. Batboy suspected to be involved.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited July 2014

    I think the reason is known. The latest crisis took governments by surprise, they did not expect occupy movements and, god forbid, even UK public sector strikes, they thought they put down the syndicates long ago, but it is proven not true, from athens to london, not knowing when and with who everyone communicated is going to be devastating, not to mention if people find out about atrocities and how are they treated from leaked cables and whatnot.
    Today laws are made to shield the public government (transparency laws are having a very big problem) and to expose the private citizen, against even the semantics.

    1. Fetch anonymous mask
    2. ?
    3. New world order.
  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep
    edited July 2014

    @ricardo said:
    1. Fetch anonymous mask

    2 . Follow Maounique

    @ricardo said:
    3. New world order.

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