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Convert from WHMCS to Hostbillapp?

FRCoreyFRCorey Member
edited May 2012 in General

I'm hip deep into Hostbill's website, but anyone know if they provide migration services free or paid? Want to keep my options open.

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  • @FRCorey said: I'm hip deep into Hostbill's website, but anyone know if they provide migration services free or paid? Want to keep my options open.

    I would say email them but I am pretty sure they are swamped with emails, tickets, and orders lol

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  • They dont, I just looked into

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @FRCorey said: I'm hip deep into Hostbill's website, but anyone know if they provide migration services free or paid? Want to keep my options open.

    I'd recommend you not make a rash decision quite yet on that all.

    Francisco

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  • RandyRandy Disabled

    hostbill support sucks, please do re-consider, they never respond to emails

  • Honestly WHMCS is the best one. I don't really know any other billing system that does all of that. Anyone else?

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  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    Looking at hostbills integration with a lot of different things is pretty nice, like I said just keeping my options open. If WHMCS faces a lawsuit they could just go under.

  • KairusKairus Member

    @FRCorey said: If WHMCS faces a lawsuit they could just go under.

    That would be very interesting...I wonder if one of WHMCS's competitors is behind this? This could really open the market...

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    Ya know back in the dial up ISP days we used to play jokes on each other, but never did anything that would drive all their customers away. Used to have a URN sitting next to the cash register that had one of our competitors names on it. Customers were always asking us if they went under or saying finally they sucked or something of that nature. It was always good for a laugh that's for sure.

  • KairusKairus Member

    @FRCorey Haha. There are always going to be people out there that would go to such lengths to be successful. Especially considering the way they got access to the servers, it wasn't like, "LOL look I found an exploit on WHMCS's website... watch what I can do..."

  • Any good alternatives to whmcs that support tcadmin?

  • VictorVictor Member
    edited May 2012

    I don't think anyone should change just yet, nothing is hack-proof, and there will always be holes in software no matter how experienced the developers are. We should just wait till Matt/WHMCS sort through this mess and get everything back on track before making rash decisions. Who knows, maybe HostBill will be next? What's to say that HostBill doesn't have holes in its software and security?

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  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @bijan588 said: Any good alternatives to whmcs that support tcadmin?

    AWBS seems to, I used it for years before switching to WHMCS in 2010 http://www.awbs.com/modules.php

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  • JacobJacob Member

    And they support SolusVM, That's interesting...
    The current price to purchase an AWBS license is: $169.00

    Cheaper then WHMCS.

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  • AsimAsim Member

    HostBill does not have monthly lease now, they keep on switching it

  • @Asim said: HostBill does not have monthly lease now, they keep on switching it

    I bet HostBill will start doing a move to HostBill monthly promo soon.

    The Original Daniel.

  • laaevlaaev Member

    @Jacob said: The current price to purchase an AWBS license is: $169.00

    AWBS is complete shit.

    That is all.

  • prometeusprometeus Member, Provider

    Anyone whith experience on hooks, module development, etc with some other software but whmcs?

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  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Member, Provider

    What do you think would happen to hostbill if, lets say 50% from WHMCS clients move to it? It will get targeted by hackers and most likely exploited a lot more than WHMCS. WHMCS has proven to fill security holes fast and release updates once something pops out. Hostbill is not widely used and most likely not targeted by capable hackers. Once more people start using it, exploits will start popping out one after another.

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  • klikliklikli Member

    That reminds me of LxLabs/HyperVM. :P

  • unixguruunixguru Member, Provider

    Host bill support have always been able to help me very quickly.

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  • AldryicAldryic Member
    edited May 2012

    @LiquidHost said: WHMCS has proven to fill security holes fast and release updates once something pops out.

    To be fair, every time WHMCS patches one of their exploits, Hostbill patches the same exploit shortly after.

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  • @FRCorey said: If WHMCS faces a lawsuit they could just go under.

    They should have insurance. Plus I am pretty sure that had something in their terms of service stating they are not liable.

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  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member
    edited May 2012

    @BassHost said: erms of service stating they are not liable.

    You still need to defend yourself in court, and that costs money. Lawsuits are not about right and wrong, it is who can play the game longer most of the time.

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  • @BassHost said: They should have insurance. Plus I am pretty sure that had something in their terms of service stating they are not liable.

    They can be sued under the data protection act, their still liable for that.

    The Original Daniel.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member
    edited May 2012

    @Daniel Which Specific part have they breached, and I assume by continuing to make these statements about data protection over and over you have verified they are registered and required registration with the ITO?

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  • MrAndroidMrAndroid Member
    edited May 2012

    @AnthonySmith said: @Daniel Which Specific part have they breached, and I assume by continuing to make these statements about data protection over and over you have verified they are registered and required registration with the ITO?

    They broke "Personal data processed for any purpose or purposes shall not be kept for longer than is necessary for that purpose or those purposes." and "Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data."

    Someone on WHT posted a detailed post on it, but they've severely breached the act.

    oh, and heres the offence.

    "Section 55 - Unlawful obtaining of personal data. This section makes it an offence for people (Other Parties), such as hackers and impersonators, outside the organisation to obtain unauthorised access to the personal data.[10]"

    The Original Daniel.

  • However that can only be enforced if the purpose of intended use of the data required them to be registered in the first place with the ITO which I am confident it was not and thus they cannot be held accountable, at worst they would simply be forced to register.

    You have to consider that fact that those rules only apply if you are required by law to register or notify with the ITO and I cannot see any case where by WHMCS would have been.

    I know it is a far fetched example but for example a hair dressers holds personal information for bookings and possibly marketing of their own services and billing, they are not required to register as a result.

    If the hair dressers is broken in to and their "books" are stolen they are not held accountable under data protection as they were not required to register in the first place.

    far fetched like I said but no different in reality. WHMCS held data for marketing of their own products, and billing. this not required to register and there for not accountable under the data protection act.

    Don't get me wrong I don't think this is good but the reality is the UK DPA has huge loop holes.

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  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    @Victor said: I don't think anyone should change just yet, nothing is hack-proof, and there will always be holes in software no matter how experienced the developers are. We should just wait till Matt/WHMCS sort through this mess and get everything back on track before making rash decisions. Who knows, maybe HostBill will be next? What's to say that HostBill doesn't have holes in its software and security?

    The problem is that, looking at some code, the WHMCS developers do not appear to be 'experienced' in any sense of the word, and they fucked up in how they handled the situation. Shit can happen, but there's a point where it stops being an accident and starts being 'poor management'.

    Honestly, if you write code like WHMCS, you're asking to get hacked.

    @Daniel said: They can be sued under the data protection act, their still liable for that.

    Do you work for the UK government or something? You keep going on and on about the Data Protection Act, as if it's some kind of holy bible and everyone that hosts something outside the UK is blasphemous. Seriously, it's getting a bit annoying.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    @Aldryic said: To be fair, every time WHMCS patches one of their exploits, Hostbill patches the same exploit shortly after.

    Actually the exploit your talking about there was due to the smarty template system and since they both use smarty it was very likely the would both be effected.

  • AldryicAldryic Member

    @LV_Matt said: Actually the exploit your talking about there was due to the smarty template system and since they both use smarty it was very likely the would both be effected.

    I'm referring to more than one exploit, and was making a lighthearted poke at the rumour that Hostbill is nothing more than reversed WHMCS that's been cleaned up and re-released. Nothing to take seriously, hence why I attached the meme.

  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Member, Provider

    @Aldryic
    I actually have no idea if they fill in the holes or don't, never even researched them... It is a pitty that I will be launching a VPN services based on WHMCS again... I would have thought twice before getting the whole automation setup with WHMCS, if this thing had happened 1-2 months earlier... Anyway, my point was that I may be mistaking about the exploiting of host bill.

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  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    @Aldryic said: I'm referring to more than one exploit, and was making a lighthearted poke at the rumour that Hostbill is nothing more than reversed WHMCS that's been cleaned up and re-released. Nothing to take seriously, hence why I attached the meme.

    I wish it was...would be a ton cheaper to get custom development then for, instead we keep having to go back to HostBill.

    Im sure almost half my HostBill install isn't "ioncubed" now.

  • @joepie91 said: Do you work for the UK government or something? You keep going on and on about the Data Protection Act, as if it's some kind of holy bible and everyone that hosts something outside the UK is blasphemous. Seriously, it's getting a bit annoying.

    Haha no, I've mentioned it once before.

    The Original Daniel.

  • KairusKairus Member

    @joepie91 said: Honestly, if you write code like WHMCS, you're asking to get hacked.

    Explain? Considering the hack wasn't due to an issue with WHMCS itself, I don't see how you can make such a statement. Why don't you do better if you think their code is crap?

  • @Daniel

    Apparently your a lawyer specialising in data protection cases? It's all I ever see you going on about.

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  • @GetKVM-Ash said: Apparently your a lawyer specialising in data protection cases? It's all I ever see you going on about.

    Huh? If you look on WHT someone posted about how it broke a section of the act, I just posted it here.

    The Original Daniel.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    So it appears HostBill have put a limit on support tickets, sorry but I just purchased 1 years unlimited access to support and upgrades?

    So now I loose what I paid for? Thanks guys over at HostBill, they really test my patience sometimes.

    Well that's the end of me reporting bugs to them!

  • @LV_Matt said: So now I loose what I paid for? Thanks guys over at HostBill, they really test my patience sometimes.

    WHMCS got hacked.
    HostBill don't offer support unless you pay them.
    ClientExec is too fiddly, it has around 10 fields you need to enter your system email.

    There is no real alternative.

    The Original Daniel.

  • jarjar Provider
    edited May 2012

    HostBill is not the simple, set it up and let it fly script that WHMCS is. The support is less preferable. My thought is that sometimes the right choice isn't the easiest. Perhaps it's time to give someone else the spotlight, perhaps not. I'm going to give them a chance. Not afraid to get my hands dirty, only thing that matters is that clients get an attractive and functional interface and that their data is secure. HostBill covers the first at least, I can see to the second to the best of my ability. Consulting LiquidWeb on it a bit too, three heads are better than two ;)

    I guess it's just a trust issue right now. I don't just give back trust so easily. I reinforce behavior with my business and express discontent by pulling it. If enough people do the same, maybe WHMCS will end up a lot better off for it.

    Founder @ MXroute

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    HostBill is pretty simple to setup. I would personally say its simpler than WHMCS.

  • jarjar Provider

    @LV_Matt Hitting 403 errors here every now & then when I change settings. Doesn't seem to be quite as much documentation. Feels like a downgrade to us but an upgrade in the client area, which I'm all for.

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  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Member, Provider

    Weren't there some promotions for hostbill monthly. I wanted to try it out, but not willing to spend 200$ just for trying with owner license..

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  • AsadAsad Member

    @LiquidHost said: Weren't there some promotions for hostbill monthly. I wanted to try it out, but not willing to spend 200$ just for trying with owner license..

    They still have the 14 day trial.

  • LV_MattLV_Matt Member

    @LiquidHost said: Weren't there some promotions for hostbill monthly. I wanted to try it out, but not willing to spend 200$ just for trying with owner license..

    Send sales an email and Im sure they will give you a good deal on the monthly if you say your a WHMCS refugee.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    @Kairus said: Explain? Considering the hack wasn't due to an issue with WHMCS itself, I don't see how you can make such a statement.

    WHMCS has a history of being sloppy with security. That usually doesn't just stay with the code aspect of the business, but also carries over to handling situations like these. Additionally, it's not like every giant gaping WHMCS vuln in the past was due to Hostgator dropping the ball or an email account getting compromised.

    Why don't you do better if you think their code is crap?

    Because there is a limited amount of time I have. I'm currently working on a VPS control panel, and along with a few other projects that already eats up just about all my time.

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    Been comparing Hostbillapp, blesta, and Ubersmith, and by far Hostbill seems to have more complete plugins compared to WHMCS. With WHMCS everything they do for other product API's is normally half baked. Take vps.net for example, it barely functions, while the hostbill version even has built in tests to ensure you set it up correctly.

    UberSmith is nice, but it's super expensive and seems to have less features than WHMCS or Hostbill. No idea how they compete, but they do have compelling features for managing co-location, but again you have to have the correct switches and pdu's that it's compatible with.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    I'm probably going to go with WHMCS. But I've been looking at IP.Nexus again. I have an IP.Board license which I was going to use for my company forum. IP.Nexus is their store module. I was surprised to discover that it supports cpanel/WHM integration, Maxmind and custom fraud rules, etc.

    http://www.invisionpower.com/products/nexus/tour/

    One of the major things its missing is registrar integration, though one could make a custom package and do it manually. They do plan to add it.

    Strange, though...in effect, your customers would be registering for a forum and using its store module.

    Board + Nexus is $245, which is similarly priced to WHMCS, etc. However, renewal of board is $50/year and Nexus $70/year, so that is significantly more.

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  • DanielMDanielM Disabled

    @GetKVM-Ash said: Apparently your a lawyer specialising in data protection cases? It's all I ever see you going on about.

    Its me who has invoked the DPA a few times. And i know how they work. Look at acs law they where bad with security and they got a 250k fine for it. Granted they where most likely registered with the ICO.

    @joepie91 "Because there is a limited amount of time I have. I'm currently working on a VPS control panel"

    So you left the anon hacker club then?

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    There's an entirely different TOS that comes into play when a customer uses a credit card to pay for service, PCI, merchant account rules, credit card company rules, and in the US Federal laws that protect card holders.

    Thier TOS only covers the product, they're bound by different rules entirely when it comes to accepting credit cards.

    Now considering how the hack happened, I suspect WHMCS would have a case against hostgator, a company who's not tried to do any damage control over their brand in light of what happened. I would have serious concerns about that company if I had any investment being managed by them if someone can call and impersonate someone else. They should at least call the customer on the phone with the number listed on the account and see who answers the phone before giving away the keys to the kingdom.

    I'm guessing the server was managed by hostgator. Good job WHMCS, you write all this great code, but cant manage your own server? Seems the same abilities that enable you to write this software to work would qualify at least someone to manage the server itself.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    @DanielM said: So you left the anon hacker club then?

    I'm sorry?

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