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Question about torrents on VPS

hostnoobhostnoob Member

If providers catch you using torrents, do they just suspend the service or report you? If someone from the ABC police gets your IP and complains or whatever, do they just suspend you still or forward on your details?

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  • derpderp Member

    I heard that they track you down, put you in the stocks and publicly stone you.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @hostnoob said:
    If providers catch you using torrents, do they just suspend the service or report you?

    Which provider? There is no blanket rule.

    Which "torrents"? Debian 7 ISO? Probably not. Child porn? Yep.

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  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2014

    No provider is going to forward your details when the complainant does not ask for it. And most complaints regarding illegal downloading of copyrighted content don't ask for the user details; it is more like reporting incident to the ISP (complainant for copyrighted content like movies is not going to come from the government except in very special circumstances; it's just copyright holder or the thugs who copyright holder hires sending complaints).

    And even if they do ask for user details for some reason (e.g., if it's as you say a law enforcement agency, perhaps because it is child porn or your VM was source of hack) provider anyway will probably check with you first since you may be running private VPN or something. Though maybe not.

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  • Reporting you would typically be a violation of the provider's privacy policy. The exception would be if there is a court order to provide records. In most cases torrents aren't allowed on vps simply because they cause high io loads.

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  • hostnoobhostnoob Member
    edited May 2014

    I know most hosts won't be the same, I just wondered what kind of info the ABC police ask for, or if they just issue warnings or anything.

    As for the content, it's US TV shows that we don't get over here until it's already been spoiled by the internet.

  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2014

    hostnoob said: I know most hosts won't be the same, I just wondered what kind of info the ABC police ask for, or if they just issue warnings or anything.

    "ABC police" is only making it harder to answer your question. Are you talking about copyright holder, or law enforcement agency? The former is usually not going to ask for user details, just reporting incident; they're not going to go through trouble of filing warrant and such just because someone downloaded some stuff, it'd cost more than the gain.

    Edit: at any rate, if you plan on running private VPN that you fear might be abused by your users for torrenting you should contact provider and make sure you both are clear about the relationship and how complaints will be handled. If you plan to illegally download copyrighted content then you should think again (maybe get VM in different country that has looser copyright laws, although I don't think such a country really exists; technologically you can mask your downloading by (ab)using Tor, but that wastes Tor bandwidth, is slow, and doesn't change fact that it's illegal; you can also join protests and propose some kind of copyright reform, or donate to the EFF and similar organizations).

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  • @perennate said:
    "ABC police" is only making it harder to answer your question. Are you talking about copyright holder, or law enforcement agency? The former is usually not going to ask for user details, just reporting incident; they're not going to go through trouble of filing warrant and such just because someone downloaded some stuff, it'd cost more than the gain.

    Well, I thought the copyright holder got the law involved.

    I guess what you're saying is that they just send a warning to the ISP who does something/nothing (depending on the provider) and most providers may terminate someone (after/on) the first warning just because they don't want trouble or they want the issues torrents cause on the node??

  • @hostnoob said:
    I know most hosts won't be the same, I just wondered what kind of info the ABC police ask for, or if they just issue warnings or anything.

    As for the content, it's US TV shows that we don't get over here until it's already been spoiled by the internet.

    Typically hosts will get a dmca complaint which means they need to remove the infringing content from their servers or they could be held liable. Copyright holders cannot request user information, or at least providers have no legal obligation to provide them with anything other than confirmation of removal. Only a court or police who have jurisdiction over the provider can request client details.

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  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2014

    hostnoob said: most providers may terminate someone (after/on) the first warning just because they don't want trouble or they want the issues torrents cause on the node??

    Most providers would suspend your VM or otherwise block it from further torrenting and then contact you. It's possible your VM got hacked or you are running private VPN which may or may not be against provider's terms of service. Or maybe you just didn't realize it was illegal and promise to not torrent again. Or even the complaint was actually invalid (e.g., previous user got a report and provider didn't carefully check the time, or someone spoofed a complaint email to try to get your service interrupted). So few will straight-up terminate you.

  • @perennate said:
    Most providers would suspend your VM or otherwise block it from further torrenting and then contact you. It's possible your VM got hacked or you are running private VPN which may or may not be against provider's terms of service. Or maybe you just didn't realize it was illegal and promise to not torrent again. Or even the complaint was actually invalid (e.g., previous user got a report and provider didn't carefully check the time, or someone spoofed a complaint email to try to get your service interrupted). So few will straight-up terminate you.

    Okay cool, I was just wondering how it all worked.

  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2014

    hostnoob said: Okay cool, I was just wondering how it all worked.

    Here's an example: http://www.chillingeffects.org/copyright/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1382361

    (this was one we received, I paste it because it is already publicly posted on chilling effects, not by us)

    Edit: maybe I should have found one with a different torrent.. lol

    Edit2: I have to say though, it is pretty interesting how these people follow good practices with authenticating their email, a) they use PGP and b) they include recipient information inside email body

    Edit3: here's another one to RamNode LLC http://www.chillingeffects.org/copyright/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1537887

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  • rds100rds100 Member

    @perennate lol at the "DCMA" :)

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  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2014

    rds100 said: @perennate lol at the "DCMA" :)

    Haha, well like I said we didn't post it :P

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  • lol that example is hilarious. I think I would cancel the service myself just due to the awkwardness with the host.

  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2014

    hostnoob said: lol that example is hilarious. I think I would cancel the service myself just due to the awkwardness with the host.

    You can see from complaint details that its with proxy.sh, if you go to their website you'll find they are VPN provider. So to them there's nothing to be awkward about :)

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  • rds100rds100 Member

    Is "DCMA" (as opposed to DMCA) some new invention by the copyright trolls? Or is it the creation of someone with a bad form of dyslexia?

  • Are those complaints legit? I logged in using the username/password on one of them to see (didn't think it would work) and it was asking for a $200 settlement lol

  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep

    rds100 said: Is "DCMA" (as opposed to DMCA) some new invention by the copyright trolls? Or is it the creation of someone with a bad form of dyslexia?

    Well both the ones I linked were presumably uploaded by proxy.sh

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  • sirmbhesirmbhe Member

    @hostnoob said:
    If providers catch you using torrents, do they just suspend the service or report you? If someone from the ABC police gets your IP and complains or whatever, do they just suspend you still or forward on your details?

    In my experience, they will give you a warning ticket first.

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  • DMCA's that ask for a settlement should illegal, and if you do get one, remember to seed! I don't think any providers will report their own IP's, the nice ones normally open a ticket to ask what's going on.

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