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Any reputable vps hosts out there? Anywhere at all?
I currently have several 2 GB, 2tb bandwidth, 50 GB plans VPN plans. None of them can come close to handling 1 virtualmin website. So I am splitting traffic between 2 of those vps and a dedicated server. 33 percent to each.
That equates to each VPN getting about 8000 visits a day and serving about 24k static HTML and PHP pages. The vpns can not handle any traffic as each stops responding every couple of minutes.
There is no chance in hell I would ever be able to reach 2tb in transfer, because I think the servers are so overloaded.
I just need a suggestion on the host and typeof plan that could handle this traffic. KVM, openvz? I tried 2gb just to be sure, but it is not even close to what I need.
Am I not getting enough memory? My 2gb dedicated server (3050 Xeon) (top) shows no more then 454mb active at any time under 100 percent of my traffic, and that includes medium levels of mail and mysql.
Again when I just start sending 33 percent to the vps's they stop responding. Load jumps between .5 and 3.0.
Are is there any vps in the 2gb realm that can handle my traffic (Ideally 100%), or do I need to just stick to dedicated servers?
I prefer to keep using virtualmin on centos, because that is all I know. And I have several other no-traffic sites I would like to add.
Any honest opinion is much appreciated.
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EDIT: current mpstat with very little traffic going to this VPS:
07:05:20 AM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %idle
07:05:21 AM all 0.00 0.00 0.00 27.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 73.00
07:05:22 AM all 0.75 0.00 0.00 20.25 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 78.75
07:05:23 AM all 0.00 0.00 0.25 26.50 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 73.00
07:05:24 AM all 1.25 0.00 0.00 33.42 0.00 0.00 0.75 0.00 64.59
07:05:25 AM all 0.25 0.00 0.25 27.57 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 71.93
07:05:26 AM all 0.25 0.00 0.25 25.44 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 73.82
07:05:27 AM all 0.00 0.00 0.00 28.72 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 71.28
07:05:28 AM all 0.00 0.00 0.00 22.94 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 76.81
07:05:29 AM all 0.50 0.00 0.00 19.35 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 80.15
07:05:30 AM all 1.50 0.00 0.75 35.75 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 62.00
07:05:31 AM all 0.25 0.00 0.00 22.06 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 77.44
07:05:32 AM all 0.00 0.00 0.25 28.25 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 71.50
07:05:33 AM all 0.25 0.00 0.00 18.75 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 80.75
07:05:34 AM all 0.25 0.00 0.00 27.57 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 72.18
07:05:35 AM all 1.00 0.00 0.25 21.89 0.00 0.00 0.25 0.00 76.62
top - 07:10:33 up 6 days, 11:51, 4 users, load average: 1.88, 1.67, 1.02
Tasks: 59 total, 1 running, 58 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 86.6%id, 13.1%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.1%st
Mem: 2097152k total, 445736k used, 1651416k free, 0k buffers
Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 259472k cached
It is currently non responsive and not serving web pages. Host says they don't see anything wrong with the node.
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Going with any of the hosts that made the top providers poll will easily be able to hand that traffic.
No one will accept your 5.0 load for long time. Better if you use a dedi instead.
Get a better programmer?
And don't buy any 2GB RAM for $2 VPSes.
@rajprakash and @Sonwebhost - quite different opinions.
@rds - So quality it is based on how much you pay for the VPS? What is a good price point then (I am not asking this to be a smart ass - I really need to know).
Well, I would start looking around $6 because $2 for 2GB is always oversold or bad quality.
It looks like ramnode's cheapest plan for 2gb is 30/mo (openvz). Since a $6 plan is where I should start, I assume $30/mo would be sufficient?
Now I notice that they have a 42% off coupon. By using that coupon, I will lower the price - does that mean they will just load the server up more?
Yes, something like $20 - $30 / month for a 2GB VPS should be enough for the provider to be able to offer good service without overloading the nodes.
That's not true, we can handle the $6 pricepoint easily, without ANY overcomitting of our resources.
8k visits per day is next to nothing. If it is well setup and optimised, a lot of providers can accommodate your needs.
@Floris really? So post the specs of your server, show us your math.
You can do it without overcomitting? Or without overloading?
FYI - very surprised at how quickly I am getting responses here - very nice. Thank you for those trying to help me.
@Floris - I just checked and the lowest pricepoint on BeastVM is $10 and that is for 512MB. You feel I only need 512MB?
64GB DDR3 Ram
2x2TB SATA 3 HDD in RAID 1
AMD Opteron 4368
we meight not make much profit, but we can guarantee no overselling/overcomitting.
@Floris ok, so you put 30x 2GB VPS plans on this node, on a RAID1 of SATA disks?
Our LET offer has lower prices.
We're upgrading our nodes if we get the money availible for this, but basicly yes.
@Alex - I would prefer one that can handle the WHOLE load currently 24K visitors a day (70k php pages) - I am just saying my current provider is crashing only getting 1/3rd (and to be honest, I can send 1/10 of my traffic and they would still not be able to handle it on my "2gb" plan.
I need to find a good provider that doesn't oversell - but I want something that can handle 24k-30k visitors daily and 70k-100k PHP pageviews. I just need to know where and how much. I can't keep trying 2GB plans that don't work - I don't have the time.
If cost per GB is the determining thing of a good host, is $30/mo sufficient?
Even if true, maybe not wise to share.
You will just have to try some different hosts, but I would say you are trying to get the cheapest deal which means heavily overloaded nodes.
If your dedi only shows 454MB usage max under load, why do you want a 2GB VPS? You'd be better off getting a 1GB machine somewhere for about $2-$3 instead and see how that goes. Will probably provide better performance.
I am also looking at the IO waits which tell the story. Disk is way over-contended on that host.
Our goal is to be transparant about what we do, and how we work, no dirty secrets.
Fair enough.
To the OP, you would not go wrong with any of the top 10 providers. Obviously you have location to consider which may affect your decision on provider. Price does not always reflect quality; however can be a good indicator.
In terms of OpenVZ or KVM. If the provider is managing their nodes properly you could see better performance from OpenVZ. KVM is less likely to be oversold to impact upon performance although is still very easy to oversell in a way that kills performance.
That;s a lot of IOwait - just looks like other customers on your VPS node are abusing the IO
@Monsta_AU - I am NOT trying to get the 'cheapest' deal. I am just now learning that $2 for 2gb is hugely different then $6 or $30. Which is weird to me and I don't understand it that well. It's like saying Here is a pair of shoes for $2, the EXACT same pair will cost you $30 at another store, and even though they are the exact same pair, one will wear out before you tie the laces and the other should last months. What this implies (in my noob opinion) is that 2gb is NOT 2gb - and there is some dishonesty in the field. Now that I know there is dishonesty, I need a way to find honest hosts, and get an honest opinion of what I need.
I came here to ask because it seems people are very knowledgeable here (just found the site by the way). I don't need people trying to lure me with insufficient, oversold plans - I need an honest opinion of what I need.
Personally I didn't care much about price (within reason) so long as I get what I 'need'.
I don't think it's dishonesty, per se, but more a case of apples with apples.
A better example is you might have a showroom full of cars. All of the cars have teh same size engine. However, there is a very large difference between the really really cheap car, and the shony bmw or mercedes, despite 'on paper' them both having the same cc engine
@dediserve - Okay - I understand your analogy. So understanding my needs I think my house is of average size - I would like a more luxurious car to put in the garage - just to be safe, but I need guidance so I don't overkill with a ferrari or bugati.
It looks like the consensus here is that 2gb is sufficient @ about $30/mo. Some say $6/mo, but that puts me at about 512MB, and some don't think that is enough.
@Virtovo - I thank you for the OpenVZ suggestion. I assume that the top 10 providers won't be overselling their nodes and OpenVZ should run perfectly fine.
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2x2TB SATA 3 HDD in RAID 1
AMD Opteron 4368
In cheap plans, are providers putting many more then 30x 2gb on a 64gb machine? If so, and that is the issue with cheap plans, doesn't that equal dishonesty? Or is that NOT taboo because many people will not use their alloted 2gb so the provider decides how many they THINK will fit on a server (which leads to abuse and overselling)?
Short answer is yes. Overselling is rife at the low end. OpenVZ allows for overselling of resources (so, for example, a provider might put 100 2GB VMs on a 64GB server)
If you want guaranteed resources, try a provider running Xen maybe
That's correct, overselling providers are (except a few like prometeus with their overzold subbrand) usually dishonest about what they do with their nodes. It doesn't have to be bad if they have hardware that can handle it, but there are providers doing it the wrong way.
Wow. sata on vm nodes. Insane. 3-4 years ago i had a real bad experience with such practices. Thats like playing russian roulette till the first bullet (customer) who kills io and takes down the whole node.
Probably why there is almost 30% IOwait on avergae
Sorry - more questions:
SSD or SSD-Cached? Which is better (or is there a good resource for dummies?) I know what SSD is, but don't have any ideas about the differences between cached/non-cached for a webserver.
If I use a coupon on a "top 30" or even "Top 10" provider - say it is for 50% off, does that likely put me on a node with 2x as many people as if I don't use the coupon (at the same place)?