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Privacy Protection will gone! EU legislation introduced to ban anonymous domain registration
Hi, Do you support Freedom of Speech? Do you are whistleblower? The END is near..
This doesn't have nothing to do with Criminals, criminals are criminals and that's. What I'm trying to say with this post, is privacy protection will gone.
And who have or offer Hosting focused in Privacy, will need to think a way to turn the situation around. Which will be difficult, most of users thinks privacy is for criminals, yes some of them may abuse of it.
But privacy is a right of us, we have the right to be "anonymous" or have privacy in our Hosting or blog or anything in this life.
Until that hopes for more services like Njal.la, flokinet appear soon, with innovation etc.
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Source:**
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/eu-legislation-introduced-to-ban-anonymous-domain-registration/
Note: my concern is not criminals (they get caught or get caught, that's a problem for justice, not for those who work honestly). Because whenever these themes or debates come up... people tend to focus a lot on criminals. And that's not what I want or intend with this topic, but for those who need privacy such as Journalists, people who report corruption in government, states, countries, people. This is the focus of privacy, caring for those who protect society and alert to the dangers of what is not seen.
So how will hosting and domain registrars handle this? are you ready? Are they preparing something new?
@MannDude @William @FlokiNET and others with Privacy care, what you guys think about it?
What you think about this?
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Couldn't care less.
So what if I use US registrar?
This will likely be dealt with on registry-level, so the place the registrar is based doesn’t matter. No one prevents a registrar from setting their own - legit - details as a registrant, albeit it’d make them responsible.
Basically the legislation will put a price tag on WHOIS privacy protection. Registrars will be able to charge a premium for anonymity.
Simple: The domain isn't in your name anyway.
We're working on a solution where we'd resell domains from a few registars and have our business details used as the registrant info that would be behind the private whois, instead of the end user customers. Njala does something similar, though at a higher price and with literally zero privacy policy or information about their company on their website, but they're known for private domain registration. Since NameCrane will be a thing, we'll likely predominately resell from them as well since Fran and I have similar views on privacy I believe and I have more faith in him not caving in versus some random larger registar.
The EU wouldn't know that
domain.combelongs to you because of private WhoIS. If the registar is forced somehow to reveal who owns the domain, it shows our business information, not yours. If we were somehow forced to comply with an order to reveal who the real owner was, because we allow customers to register with aliases and non-verified information, pay with crypto, order through I2P, Tor, or VPNs then there isn't much we could share.Maybe the EU can enact a Chinese inspired firewall to block things they don't like, but this is a stupid proposal on their behalf.
OP's definition of the end was some EU ruling of a domain privacy shield.
That ain't the end. That's the start.
Yes, but they also are looking for phone verification, why i should have a phone verification? No sense...
I don't see Namecheap and other providers doing that. Lets see how njal.la and flokinet will manage it and others.
The thing is, they want to verify that you are the holder of the account and you access to your domains. Privacy protection stays alive and has nothing to do with it.
No, they talking about the end of privacy services.
Its not only about that they are going to verify who you are.
Privacy is a myth.
EU unnecessarily get their knickers in a twist over it.
Well, that was ready to come, as long as illegal stuff exists. At least the whois is safe.
Thats the point. Is it an EU rule, or a world rule, that some dont care.
I think it's adorable when anyone thinks a government is going to be their friend for any extended period of time. It takes a lot of faith to assume that every person who will ever sit in a chair will be friendly. I don't have that kind of faith in my local DMV and those people don't even get a security detail when they leave.
Why people always focus in illegal stuff? Instead looking for Privacy Protection? Not all websites, people are criminals.
God damn, those people who always see Privacy to commit crimes, that is why you have police and other organizations.
That is a bad excuse "There are criminals in this world, let's end with privacy" that argument is not only bad, but you are only just looking at the criminals' side, and not the people who need to work with confidential or important information, as I mentioned before, journalists, people who denounce practices of violence, crimes, corruption, among others.
Do you really think that a world without freedom of expression is good? This is good for the corrupt and criminals because they would be even more protected due to the lack of freedom of expression.
This further worsens the situation in countries such as Turkey, China and others.
I would like to hear opinions of @Francisco @Maounique could be interesting.
False sense of security must be gratifying.
Laws usually take years to catch up to technologies- and typically address problems of yesterday. Porn, financial institutions, intelligence agencies and "illegal" industries are typically leaps ahead in terms of developing/using new tools and techniques, maybe they could teach a thing or two to late adapters.
Actually, this has nothing with privacy. Privacy protected by GDRP and country level law. For example, in Russia all national domains registered by same rules from begin of .ru, .su and other country domain establishing. Full name, last name, middle name, postal address, full passport information etc. was required. Also to do some action with domain (i.e. transfer, sell/buy) your contact data must be verified.
But this is not public information and it is not shown in public whois - all Russian domains now have private whois option enabled by default. So customer should not worry about his privacy.
This is a proposal right? not signed in law?
Could see the rise of njalla like services if so.
Francisco
Just hopefully a better njalla alternative that doesn't have political biases such as namecrane^tm perhaps
If you really want privacy, start with hiding your car plate.
That's the first step because you will be exposing a lot of your personal info to everyone who can physically harm you instead of focusing virtual might-be enemies.
There will always be anonymity for ppl that search for it, there is no way legislation and enforcement will be able to ever put it down.
Just wait for the space age. You will be completely anonymous by necessity.
In fact, you might be referred as a mere number and become a disposable organic matter.
I dont know, whats your reason behind. A real contact must be given for allready a lot of domains. Some suckers like .eu, even didnt provide whois protection either, because they think, all must be authentic with their rules.
good news for the criminals, easier to get leads. Good job government
Yep, more personal data databases.
Also, this will be the same self-fulfilling prophecy like in immigration's case.
Immigrants are rapists and drug traffickers, no immigrant is good so we have to make legal immigration impossible, therefore only criminals will come because they don't care about laws, q.e.d.
In this case will be same idea, regular people are not allowed to have anonymity, therefore only criminals will have it and being anonymous in itself will make you a criminal.
Russia like China hates Internet and anonymity.
Indeed. Five eyes is so much open and better .
So much freedom for those who want to express themselves.
@sandoz care to add US, UK, Canada, Germany , France, Australia… to the list of Privacy un friendly countries? Why just China and Turkey (or Russia for that matter).
Ignorance is bliss. Therefore it must be wonderful to live under a rock.
Isn't this (banning anonymous regs) exactly opposite of GDPR which specifically states not to publicize individuals personal data to public?
Also, it seems its an EU directive and not a law (yet). So every EU country will have liberty to design their own law based on this directive. It can take almost 10 years or so for every EU nation to implement it considering that earlier EU directives have been implemented at snail's pace. Look at Luxembourg - they still have pending EU copyright-law to be implemented as its still in draft-stage.
I don't will discuss with you, privacy is a human right. If you don't like it or if you think this is a good idea, good for you.
In my case, I think this is very dangerous and freedom of speech reaching the point that you can't talk free about you want. More Censorship = less privacy = less exposed to goverment corrupts and others.
And it may ruin some business. Perhaps, if anyone create another service like Njal.la for privacy purposes should be great.
I believe everyone should be able to have privacy, confirming telephone is just a trick to verify and collect more data of you.. why i should verify telephone? No sense...
Social media is different, no comparasion. Is free and we don't pay for it (in certain way we pay with our data and ads being displayed but you understand the point).
Hopes EFF and privacy organizations take a look INTO this..
Let me understand this- you preach theory, while in practice almost every country in the world actively, admittedly violates privacy. And you only have a problem with a proposed regulation.
In other words, you live in la la land and need help. Best wishes.