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  • AbdAbd Member, Patron Provider

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    ... 1 Gb of disk space is relatively small ...

    Relative to what?

    When you cannot fully run 'apt update' and 'apt ugrade' you will know o:)

    @merlinvn understandable... looking into adding some minimal templates with less OS usage.

    meanwhile if anyone is having issue open a ticket & will be increased to 2GB

    Thanked by 1merlinvn
  • merlinvnmerlinvn Member

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    ... 1 Gb of disk space is relatively small ...

    Relative to what?

    When you cannot fully run 'apt update' and 'apt ugrade' you will know o:)

    Really? I think you still have around 150-200 MB storage left after debian 10 and some app installed.

    Yup, tried install Nginx + mariadb + php stack on that 1Gb and failed. Even with the minimal Centos Image. Lazy to optimize hdd and turn it to a Wireguard Vpn. :p

  • chocolateshirtchocolateshirt Member
    edited September 2021

    @merlinvn said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    ... 1 Gb of disk space is relatively small ...

    Relative to what?

    When you cannot fully run 'apt update' and 'apt ugrade' you will know o:)

    Really? I think you still have around 150-200 MB storage left after debian 10 and some app installed.

    Yup, tried install Nginx + mariadb + php stack on that 1Gb and failed. Even with the minimal Centos Image. Lazy to optimize hdd and turn it to a Wireguard Vpn. :p

    I agree that Nginx + mariadb + php stack will take for around 1.5 GB disk

    Btw this is fresh install Debian 10.7 LXC, 128 MB memory and 1 GB disk.

    Debian GNU/Linux 10 wg tty1

wg login: root
Password: 
Linux wg 5.4.140-1-pve #1 SMP PVE 5.4.140-1 (Wed, 08 Sep 2021 16:21:59 +0200) x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
root@wg:~# df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/loop1      976M  680M  229M  75% /
none            492K  4.0K  488K   1% /dev
udev            2.9G     0  2.9G   0% /dev/tty
tmpfs           3.0G     0  3.0G   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs           3.0G  8.1M  2.9G   1% /run
tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs           3.0G     0  3.0G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
root@wg:~# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          128Mi        20Mi        63Mi       7.0Mi        43Mi       107Mi
Swap:         128Mi          0B       128Mi
root@wg:~#

    After apt update && apt upgrade, then reboot

    Debian GNU/Linux 10 wg tty1

wg login: root
Password: 
Last login: Wed Sep 22 17:16:41 UTC 2021 on tty1
Linux wg 5.4.140-1-pve #1 SMP PVE 5.4.140-1 (Wed, 08 Sep 2021 16:21:59 +0200) x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
root@wg:~# df -h  
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/loop1      976M  771M  139M  85% /
none            492K  4.0K  488K   1% /dev
udev            2.9G     0  2.9G   0% /dev/tty
tmpfs           3.0G     0  3.0G   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs           3.0G  8.1M  2.9G   1% /run
tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs           3.0G     0  3.0G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
root@wg:~# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          128Mi        20Mi        62Mi       7.0Mi        44Mi       107Mi
Swap:         128Mi          0B       128Mi
root@wg:~#
    Thanked by 3merlinvn DataRecovery devp
  • tetechtetech Member

    @merlinvn said:

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    ... 1 Gb of disk space is relatively small ...

    Relative to what?

    When you cannot fully run 'apt update' and 'apt ugrade' you will know o:)

    That still wouldn't tell me what it is relative to, and why would I want to install some huge OS on such a small disk?

    A 5GB disk is so huge for KVM that I partition it into 3 and run multiple LXC containers with a total usage under 400MB. 1GB is heaps for many use cases.

    $ df -m
Filesystem             1M-blocks   Used Available Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs                     238      0       238   0% /dev
shm                          243      0       243   0% /dev/shm
/dev/vda1                   1952    335      1500  19% /
tmpfs                         49      1        49   1% /run
cgroup_root                   10      0        10   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mapper/crypt-root      2543     48      2233   3% /var/lib/lxc
    Thanked by 1devp
  • merlinvnmerlinvn Member

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    ... 1 Gb of disk space is relatively small ...

    Relative to what?

    When you cannot fully run 'apt update' and 'apt ugrade' you will know o:)

    That still wouldn't tell me what it is relative to, and why would I want to install some huge OS on such a small disk?

    A 5GB disk is so huge for KVM that I partition it into 3 and run multiple LXC containers with a total usage under 400MB. 1GB is heaps for many use cases.

    $ df -m
Filesystem             1M-blocks   Used Available Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs                     238      0       238   0% /dev
shm                          243      0       243   0% /dev/shm
/dev/vda1                   1952    335      1500  19% /
tmpfs                         49      1        49   1% /run
cgroup_root                   10      0        10   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mapper/crypt-root      2543     48      2233   3% /var/lib/lxc

    As they mentioned above, there is only 1 minimal centos option, for debian or ubutu, there is no minimal image 😅. If you spend 4$ with them, you will know what I said 😁

  • tetechtetech Member

    @merlinvn said:

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @tetech said:

    @merlinvn said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    ... 1 Gb of disk space is relatively small ...

    Relative to what?

    When you cannot fully run 'apt update' and 'apt ugrade' you will know o:)

    That still wouldn't tell me what it is relative to, and why would I want to install some huge OS on such a small disk?

    A 5GB disk is so huge for KVM that I partition it into 3 and run multiple LXC containers with a total usage under 400MB. 1GB is heaps for many use cases.

    $ df -m
Filesystem             1M-blocks   Used Available Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs                     238      0       238   0% /dev
shm                          243      0       243   0% /dev/shm
/dev/vda1                   1952    335      1500  19% /
tmpfs                         49      1        49   1% /run
cgroup_root                   10      0        10   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mapper/crypt-root      2543     48      2233   3% /var/lib/lxc

    As they mentioned above, there is only 1 minimal centos option, for debian or ubutu, there is no minimal image 😅. If you spend 4$ with them, you will know what I said 😁

    Oh, I see it is OVZ so you are stuck with the templates offered. OK. I stopped using OVZ.

  • merlinvnmerlinvn Member

    Updated: @WebHorizon has increased my disk size to 2Gb. Big thanks for your support. <3

    Thanked by 1Abd
  • nullnotherenullnothere Member

    @chocolateshirt said: fresh install Debian 10.7 LXC, 128 MB memory and 1 GB disk.

    Just curious - were you able to update locales (with say en_US.UTF-8)?

    I'm running into OOM issues on 128MB NAT boxes for UTF-8 though I think I've managed to get them to work on 256MB instances. This is on OpenVZ7 with no swap.

  • chocolateshirtchocolateshirt Member

    @nullnothere said:

    @chocolateshirt said: fresh install Debian 10.7 LXC, 128 MB memory and 1 GB disk.

    Just curious - were you able to update locales (with say en_US.UTF-8)?

    I'm running into OOM issues on 128MB NAT boxes for UTF-8 though I think I've managed to get them to work on 256MB instances. This is on OpenVZ7 with no swap.

    Any command that I can use to update the locales?

    Thanked by 1nullnothere
  • nullnotherenullnothere Member

    @chocolateshirt said: command that I can use to update the locales?

    dpkg-reconfigure locales and select en_US.UTF-8 (only is fine to test).

  • chocolateshirtchocolateshirt Member

    @nullnothere said:

    @chocolateshirt said: command that I can use to update the locales?

    dpkg-reconfigure locales and select en_US.UTF-8 (only is fine to test).

    This is the result: https://i.gyazo.com/e03bc1ff1a7ce512ee488d0ded985594.png

    Thanked by 1nullnothere
  • nullnotherenullnothere Member

    @chocolateshirt said: This is the result

    Thank you. Confirmed. The Killed is culprit. Your syslog should confirm that the OOM was triggered.

    I think on Debian 10+, 128MB is going to be impossible with UTF-8 if you want to generate locales locally. Even with your 128MB Swap it failed - so I think it's going to be a tough call on anything less than 384MB (or maybe 512MB) (including swap).

  • DataRecoveryDataRecovery Member

    @chocolateshirt said:
    this is fresh install Debian 10.7 LXC, 128 MB memory and 1 GB disk.

    root@wg:~# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          128Mi        20Mi        63Mi       7.0Mi        43Mi       107Mi
Swap:         128Mi          0B       128Mi

    If you don't mind my curiosity, that'd Debian 10 Minimal, I suppose, not "regular" Debian?

    Also do you have anything else installed, or it's just clean fresh install?

  • chocolateshirtchocolateshirt Member

    @nullnothere said:

    @chocolateshirt said: This is the result

    Thank you. Confirmed. The Killed is culprit. Your syslog should confirm that the OOM was triggered.

    I think on Debian 10+, 128MB is going to be impossible with UTF-8 if you want to generate locales locally. Even with your 128MB Swap it failed - so I think it's going to be a tough call on anything less than 384MB (or maybe 512MB) (including swap).

    Yes, but I don't even use locales.

    @DataRecovery said:

    @chocolateshirt said:
    this is fresh install Debian 10.7 LXC, 128 MB memory and 1 GB disk.

    root@wg:~# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          128Mi        20Mi        63Mi       7.0Mi        43Mi       107Mi
Swap:         128Mi          0B       128Mi

    If you don't mind my curiosity, that'd Debian 10 Minimal, I suppose, not "regular" Debian?

    Also do you have anything else installed, or it's just clean fresh install?

    Yes, that is fresh install, it is debian 10 "Standard" LXC template.

    Thanked by 1DataRecovery
  • DataRecoveryDataRecovery Member

    @chocolateshirt said:
    Yes, that is fresh install, it is debian 10 "Standard" LXC template.

    Thanks! Was looking to compare RAM usage to the "Minimal" template, now unsure.

    Don't you happen to know how "Standard LXC" template you mentioned is different from the "Minimal" templates used in OpenVZ and KVM?

    Or that varies from one host to another? Don't have any LXC VPSes, so can't check myself.

  • chocolateshirtchocolateshirt Member
    edited September 2021

    @DataRecovery said:

    @chocolateshirt said:
    Yes, that is fresh install, it is debian 10 "Standard" LXC template.

    Thanks! Was looking to compare RAM usage to the "Minimal" template, now unsure.

    Don't you happen to know how "Standard LXC" template you mentioned is different from the "Minimal" templates used in OpenVZ and KVM?

    Or that varies from one host to another? Don't have any LXC VPSes, so can't check myself.

    I am not sure about that. What I know, KVM will take more resources as you need independent kernel.

    Debian 10 Standard LXC 128 MB with Wireguard (Nyr installation), update & upgrade system, and installed tools like curl wget htop screen mtr-tiny

    Debian GNU/Linux 10 wg tty1

wg login: root
Password: 
Last login: Thu Sep 23 07:54:40 UTC 2021 on tty1
Linux wg 5.4.140-1-pve #1 SMP PVE 5.4.140-1 (Wed, 08 Sep 2021 16:21:59 +0200) x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
root@wg:~# df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/loop1      976M  787M  122M  87% /
none            492K  4.0K  488K   1% /dev
udev            2.9G     0  2.9G   0% /dev/net
tmpfs           3.0G     0  3.0G   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs           3.0G  8.1M  2.9G   1% /run
tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs           3.0G     0  3.0G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
root@wg:~# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          128Mi        23Mi        57Mi       7.0Mi        47Mi       104Mi
Swap:         128Mi          0B       128Mi
root@wg:~# free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          128Mi        23Mi        57Mi       7.0Mi        47Mi       104Mi
Swap:         128Mi          0B       128Mi
root@wg:~#

    And this one is Debian 10 netinst KVM 256 MB with Wireguard (Nyr installation), update & upgrade system, and installed tools like curl wget htop screen mtr-tiny

    Linux wg 4.19.0-17-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.194-3 (2021-07-18) x86_64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Fri Sep 17 22:27:10 2021 from 10.10.10.1
choco@wg:~$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev            102M     0  102M   0% /dev
tmpfs            24M  1.4M   22M   6% /run
/dev/sda1       2.7G  1.2G  1.3G  49% /
tmpfs           116M     0  116M   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs           116M     0  116M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs            24M     0   24M   0% /run/user/1000
choco@wg:~$ free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          231Mi        40Mi       126Mi       1.0Mi        64Mi       181Mi
Swap:         292Mi          0B       292Mi
choco@wg:~$
    Thanked by 1DataRecovery
  • nullnotherenullnothere Member

    @chocolateshirt said: I don't even use locales.

    It's only specifically required (in my case) for UTF-8 support.

    Thanked by 1chocolateshirt
  • DataRecoveryDataRecovery Member

    @chocolateshirt said:
    I am not sure about that. What I know, KVM will take more resources as you need independent kernel.

    Thanks again!

    Yes, I know the differences between OVZ and KVM, however completely forgot about RAM usage numbers on KVM.
    Will play with this myself once I have some time.

    With OpenVZ I was getting about 9 MB for Debian minimal and 6-7 MB for CentOS minimal.

    Thanked by 1chocolateshirt
  • maylimayli Member

    regenerating locales with such low ram systems isn't a good idea, you'd better stay with C.

  • noisycodenoisycode Member

    Just can't help thinking the good old days, when 512MB memory was a huge and expensive thing, and an ovz box of 128MB was good enough for nginx+php5+mysql, with some optimization of course. It seems that I still have some teeny-weeny nat boxes on inceptionhosting, yet I have't used any of them since 4 years ago.

    What a tender world it used to be! I really missed it.

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  • FritzFritz Veteran
    edited February 2022

    @noisycode said:
    Just can't help thinking the good old days, when 512MB memory was a huge and expensive thing, and an ovz box of 128MB was good enough for nginx+php5+mysql, with some optimization of course. It seems that I still have some teeny-weeny nat boxes on inceptionhosting, yet I have't used any of them since 4 years ago.

    What a tender world it used to be! I really missed it.

    It's the old PHP 5 and mysql 5.7 which has low memory footprint vs php 7.4 -php 8.1 and mysql 8.0/mariadb 10.4 now.

    Thanked by 1devp
  • TeoMTeoM Member

    I have an 128MB RAM Server with 100GB HDD from Liteserver for only 12 Euros per Year ping @LiteServer for details

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  • VoidVoid Member

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    Restocking India location anytime soon?

  • noisycodenoisycode Member

    @Fritz said:

    @noisycode said:
    Just can't help thinking the good old days, when 512MB memory was a huge and expensive thing, and an ovz box of 128MB was good enough for nginx+php5+mysql, with some optimization of course. It seems that I still have some teeny-weeny nat boxes on inceptionhosting, yet I have't used any of them since 4 years ago.

    What a tender world it used to be! I really missed it.

    It's the old PHP 5 and mysql 5.7 which has low memory footprint vs php 7.4 -php 8.1 and mysql 8.0/mariadb 10.4 now.

    Indeed. It makes me to think: really, I mean REALLY, does everyone need all these cutting-edge techs? For me, the database stores no more data than before, and the software running on servers isn't more complex than before. Just noticed that even tinykvm offers KVM box of 386MB memory for only 15 bucks. It might be a good thing, for customers transitioning from a legacy world to the future/fortune, and for providers to sell more boxes out of one dedi.

    Thanked by 1devp
  • AbdAbd Member, Patron Provider

    @jmaxwell said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    Restocking India location anytime soon?

    Not soon, I am still searching for better provider options at India location.

    Thanked by 1aicm
  • aicmaicm Member

    @WebHorizon said:

    @jmaxwell said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    Restocking India location anytime soon?

    Not soon, I am still searching for better provider options at India location.

    Hong Kong and Japan in Asia hope to replenish as soon as possible, what do you think?

  • tetechtetech Member

    @aicm said:

    @WebHorizon said:

    @jmaxwell said:

    @WebHorizon said:
    NAT VPS basic is $4 per year. 9 locations
    https://my.webhorizon.in/order/main/index/nat

    Restocking India location anytime soon?

    Not soon, I am still searching for better provider options at India location.

    Hong Kong and Japan in Asia hope to replenish as soon as possible, what do you think?

    Yes, I think Hong Kong and Japan are in Asia.

  • devpdevp Member

    Containers provides flexibility to configure "container parameters" as per choice which can be run and tested on kvm vps.

    Tools that can be used to manage Open Containers Initiative (OCI) Containers and Container Images:

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