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syk14syk14 Member
edited January 18 in General

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/534650-parlers-website-reappears-online

Parler.com Back Online

Being hosted now by DDOS-Guard

Their domain registrar is EPIK

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  • k lol

    lurking in the shadows like a wombat or some shit

  • I have a feeling that discussions in this thread is not going to end well

  • Isn’t loading, maintaince mode.

  • syk14syk14 Member

    @armandorg said:
    Isn’t loading, maintaince mode.

    Well before when AWS dropped them it couldn't load or resolve anything. They had to change hosting providers and domain registrars. This is the first time the page has displayed anything since they went offline. If this post isn't allowed or will cause problems then the mods should feel free to close it. Also I'm not advocating for Parler. This is just an interesting relevant topic to the hosting world I feel. I also found it interesting watching thepiratebay, gab, 8kun, and other controversial sites burn through domain registrars and hosting providers.

  • lol that registrar is literally founded/directed by a man with the last name Monster.

    Kojima-nomenclature strikes again

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  • LTnigerLTniger Member
    edited January 18

    The infamous DDoS-Guard :) wondering how long they gonna survive before authorities will come for their slice of pie and if they won't share enough, all those parlers, 8chans and other "free speach havens" will be left with bare pants in the cold night...

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  • skorupionskorupion Member
    edited January 18

    Ah yes Russian hosting company, we all love thos

    One of their misuse cases are:

    ● sending a message or having content that is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another person;

    Oh well, how ironic

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  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited January 18

    Its not being hosted by DDOS-Guard since its a cloudflare competitor. The backend is somewhere else.

    Edit, Its https://www.ipvolume.net/ (Possibly the Moscow DC) for servers and Epik for DNS hosting as they briefly appeared in whois records before ddos-guard.

    They were idiots for pointing the domains/subdomains to ipvolume briefly instead of directly adding ddos-guard nameservers and doing the changes from there.

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  • YorisYoris Member

    @skorupion said:
    Ah yes Russian hosting company, we all love thos

    One of their misuse cases are:

    ● sending a message or having content that is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another person;

    Oh well, how ironic

    https://blog.ey.md/ddos-guard-corp-yet-another-bulletproof-hoster/

    There's no need for words. :'(

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  • LTnigerLTniger Member
    edited January 18

    This site looks shady AF. Zero information about the company. And they hate bulletproof hosters, what an irony.

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  • @stefeman said:
    Its not being hosted by DDOS-Guard since its a cloudflare competitor. The backend is somewhere else.

    Edit, Its https://www.ipvolume.net/ (Possibly the Moscow DC) for servers and Epik for DNS hosting as they briefly appeared in whois records before ddos-guard.

    They were idiots for pointing the domains/subdomains to ipvolume briefly instead of directly adding ddos-guard nameservers and doing the changes from there.

    Looks like it's another brand of Novogara? https://badpackets.net/a-conversation-with-ripe-ncc-regarding-quasi-networks-ltd/

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  • Yes, its ex Quasi Networks apparently.

  • NyrNyr Member

    @drivex said: Looks like it's another brand of Novogara?

    Yes, mainly used for pirate streaming nowadays.

    @stefeman said: They were idiots for pointing the domains/subdomains to ipvolume briefly instead of directly adding ddos-guard nameservers and doing the changes from there.

    They have not been very competent technically during this whole ordeal.

  • @stefeman said:
    Its not being hosted by DDOS-Guard since its a cloudflare competitor. The backend is somewhere else.

    Edit, Its https://www.ipvolume.net/ (Possibly the Moscow DC) for servers and Epik for DNS hosting as they briefly appeared in whois records before ddos-guard.

    They were idiots for pointing the domains/subdomains to ipvolume briefly instead of directly adding ddos-guard nameservers and doing the changes from there.

    Could they still be at Epik? Epik uses ipvolume ips for their hosting. Ipvolume.org is registered with Epik, going to the .net. as does their proxy service, tied to Swiss ips. Epik has ties to Switzerland for their incorporation structure and they own (Swiss?) ipblocks.

  • hanoihanoi Member

    just maintain page. I think they are still looking their low-end dedicated servers :D

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  • A sad day when an american social media company have to run to Dos-Guard and Ectal for their hosting.

    Curious tho, with the specs in the twitterpost above - how much would it costs Parler per month/year?

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  • @hanoi said:
    just maintain page. I think they are still looking their low-end dedicated servers :D

    Wtf

    hm. I've lost a machine.. literally lost. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.

  • @TheJohnDoe said: Curious tho, with the specs in the twitterpost above - how much would it costs Parler per month/year?

    I believe in the other thread it was mentioned they were paying 300k/month to AWS.

  • @serv_ee said:

    @hanoi said:
    just maintain page. I think they are still looking their low-end dedicated servers :D

    Wtf

    What sort of processing are they doing here? O.o

  • SpryServers_TabSpryServers_Tab Member, Provider

    Lol they're using Office 365 for e-mail

    $ dig mx parler.com
    
    ; <<>> DiG 9.16.7 <<>> mx parler.com
    ;; global options: +cmd
    ;; Got answer:
    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 25311
    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
    
    ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
    ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
    ;parler.com.                    IN      MX
    
    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
    parler.com.             300     IN      MX      0 mail-parler-com.mail.protection.outlook.com.
    
    ;; Query time: 90 msec
    ;; SERVER: 192.168.6.1#53(192.168.6.1)
    ;; WHEN: Mon Jan 18 12:21:24 MST 2021
    ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 95
    
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  • @hanoi said:
    just maintain page. I think they are still looking their low-end dedicated servers :D

    Mhhh... Serverporn. I like!

  • jsgjsg Member

    Either the Parler guys utterly lack even minimal professionalism and know-how or this whole Parler thing was/is just a tactical maneuver of some group.

    Either way I wouldn't even let my neighbors dog sign up there.

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  • NickANickA Member

    Will be interesting to see who hosts it eventually...

  • I'm all for free speech, but what's the right move here? Maybe they should be subpoenaing identities of people threatening violence and leave the other wackos to their conspiracies? Or browsers could label whole domains as misinformation zones, but not take them down? Or maybe saner internet people just need to take it on themselves to ridicule the idiots?

    Why don't they just host on TOR or Freenet etc?

  • As soon as any competing social network starts to grow why is it that the existing media coordinate in smearing the new user base as white nationalists, racist, child molesting degenerates. And why does the smearing work? Can't people think for themselves?

    I've never been on Parler but I heard some bad things and i've seen a post or two that I didn't like so i'm sure the entire site was like that so fuck them based on what I read.- someone probally

  • @trycatchthis said:
    As soon as any competing social network starts to grow why is it that the existing media coordinate in smearing the new user base as white nationalists, racist, child molesting degenerates. And why does the smearing work? Can't people think for themselves?

    I've never been on Parler but I heard some bad things and i've seen a post or two that I didn't like so i'm sure the entire site was like that so fuck them based on what I read.- someone probally

    I mean they were openly courting those groups to pad Parler's userbase.

    "Why do people think the site actively trying to build usercount by recruiting deplatformed racists and reactionaries that also to this day does not have systems in place for detecting, removing, and reporting child abuse content is filled with white nationalists and pedophiles?"

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  • texteditortexteditor Member
    edited January 19

    @randomq said:
    Why don't they just host on TOR or Freenet etc?

    What do you think the Venn Diagram for "people technical enough to get on Tor" and "people who stormed the capital because pepe memes on 8kun said it was a good idea" looks like?

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  • JioJio Member

    @texteditor said: What do you think the Venn Diagram for "people technical enough to get on Tor" and "people who stormed the capital because pepe memes on 8kun said it was a good idea" looks like?

    Two separate circles is a venn diagram?

  • @texteditor said:
    I mean they were openly courting those groups to pad Parler's userbase.

    I'm not disagreeing but could you provide proof?

    "Why do people think the site actively trying to build usercount by recruiting deplatformed racists and reactionaries that also to this day does not have systems in place for detecting, removing, and reporting child abuse content is filled with white nationalists and pedophiles?"

    Was everyone banned from Twitter, Facebook a racist / reactionary / pedophile? I don't think its fair to paint every one with such a broad brush.

    People have been on these platforms from near the beginning and have been banned and lost a decade plus of views, comments user base, been demonetized with no reason given [not that it would matter].

    But be real this is because they don't like the peoples politics.

  • @trycatchthis it's true, I don't like the politics of gullible or insane people either. I do think there are probably more effective ways to deal with the criminal conduct than to confirm their paranoia by taking down the platform though.

  • @trycatchthis said:
    Was everyone banned from Twitter, Facebook a racist / reactionary / pedophile? I don't think its fair to paint every one with such a broad brush.

    Everyone of them? of course not. The ones that end up on Parler/Gab/etc? Wayyy more likely

    @randomq said:
    @trycatchthis it's true, I don't like the politics of gullible or insane people either. I do think there are probably more effective ways to deal with the criminal conduct than to confirm their paranoia by taking down the platform though.

    Deplayforming as a tool to fight extremism is actually insanely effective. There was a lot of studies done on this with ISIS, it effectively cuts extremists off for their most effective recruiting tool

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/deplatforming-parler-bans-qanon

    I'll have to find the source, but after that recent QAnon purge, the amount of election misinformation floating through social media dropped like 70% overnight. Hell, even Trump being de-twittered has taken a lot of steam out of his most fervent cultists

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  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited January 19

    @texteditor said:

    @trycatchthis said:
    Was everyone banned from Twitter, Facebook a racist / reactionary / pedophile? I don't think its fair to paint every one with such a broad brush.

    Everyone of them? of course not. The ones that end up on Parler/Gab/etc? Wayyy more likely

    @randomq said:
    @trycatchthis it's true, I don't like the politics of gullible or insane people either. I do think there are probably more effective ways to deal with the criminal conduct than to confirm their paranoia by taking down the platform though.

    Deplayforming as a tool to fight extremism is actually insanely effective. There was a lot of studies done on this with ISIS, it effectively cuts extremists off for their most effective recruiting tool

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/deplatforming-parler-bans-qanon

    I'll have to find the source, but after that recent QAnon purge, the amount of election misinformation floating through social media dropped like 70% overnight. Hell, even Trump being de-twittered has taken a lot of steam out of his most fervent cultists

    But its wrong and counterproductive to forcefully suppress a specific group and their discussions to promote your own ideals. It never worked well in history. Eventually when you do this and the dissatisfaction goes beyond tipping point with people having nowhere to vent out and share their thoughts with similar minded people, they will become openly dissents, anti-govermental, separists and make them even more violent.

    When you suppress 50% of your country (76 million voters), you better do that damn well down to the every little platform and forum thread or it will explode into your eyes.

    When suppressed, if they get even little space to express their ideas, the first thing someone comes up with would be "How can I harm those that made us like this". and if he gets approval to that idea from another similar minded person, everyone is fucked then.

    We all know how IRA loved those in power and how law abiding and peaceful they were before there was any mutual discussion.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    @texteditor said: Deplayforming as a tool to fight extremism

    And there's the fault in your argument. Not everyone on Parler was an "extremist". 99.9% or more weren't - certainly no in my circle there. 100% of the people I saw on Parler were those who were tired of FB. But many view everyone they disagree with as an "extremist". You're painting with a brush broad enough to paint a mountain.

    This is just raw partisan smashmouth politics - suppress and eliminate those you disagree with, deny them access to speak, etc. Been going on since before the pyramids were built.

    There's absolutely no justification to "deplatform" Parler and not, say, Twitter or DailyKos or any leftist media. But it's not about holding to some ironclad rule of law - it's about politics.

    For LET support, please visit the support desk.

  • Deplayforming as a tool to fight extremism is actually insanely effective.

    Who gets to define what is extreme?

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited January 19

    @trycatchthis said:

    Deplayforming as a tool to fight extremism is actually insanely effective.

    Who gets to define what is extreme?

    Those in power even if its just the 51%.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited January 19

    @texteditor said:
    I'll have to find the source, but after that recent QAnon purge, the amount of election misinformation floating through social media dropped like 70% overnight. Hell, even Trump being de-twittered has taken a lot of steam out of his most fervent cultists

    It never disappeared.. Its just smoldering in places where we can't see, and eventually burns the entire place down if not taken care of with proper means. This is just hiding the consequences and escalating the source of it by throwing more gas to the fire.

    ISIS is different as its a foreign threat, but these are everyday americans everywhere. The "enemy" of yours is already in every institution and small business, and they actually went and shit on their lifeblood while this "enemy" is silently watching.

    It could be ur co-worker, boss, or employee.. You never know what they might do now lol

    I would had never done this myself in an already divided country. Best way would had been allowing it as a discussion place and have biden normalize everything slowly.

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  • @raindog308 said:
    And there's the fault in your argument. Not everyone on Parler was an "extremist". 99.9% or more weren't - certainly no in my circle there. 100% of the people I saw on Parler were those who were tired of FB.

    Again why do the smears work. Its like a couple of higher up people send out emails saying, were going to tell people that Parler is White Nationalist / Isis / Pedo heaven. It circulates and a ton of people believe it without even looking into it.

    Don't people research?

  • xaocxaoc Member

    @trycatchthis said:

    @raindog308 said:
    And there's the fault in your argument. Not everyone on Parler was an "extremist". 99.9% or more weren't - certainly no in my circle there. 100% of the people I saw on Parler were those who were tired of FB.

    Again why do the smears work. Its like a couple of higher up people send out emails saying, were going to tell people that Parler is White Nationalist / Isis / Pedo heaven. It circulates and a ton of people believe it without even looking into it.

    Don't people research?

    People's love for hate is infinite. ;)

    So Say We All

  • Big tech needs to ask themselves if they are the bad guys if Russia is more welcoming of platforms like Parler.

    And to the people asking for them to host on Tor. You do know the media will demand Tor be made illegal and for all relay operators to be arrested?

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  • @MatthewM said:
    Big tech needs to ask themselves if they are the bad guys if Russia is more welcoming of platforms like Parler.

    And to the people asking for them to host on Tor. You do know the media will demand Tor be made illegal and for all relay operators to be arrested?

    The Russian government supports destruction and violence against other countries, as long it's not affecting themselves.

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  • jsgjsg Member

    It's almost painful how mis- oder even dis- informed many are and how stuck in one or the other corner. Maybe I can help. I'm neither pro- nor anti-Trump, in fact I'm not even from that continent. But checking, counter-checking, and verifying is a major part of my job ...

    Example: Q: Who gets to decide what is right and what is wrong? A: The majority.

    Sorry, wrong, dead wrong.

    • identifying large groups as well as how to "catch" and bind them is a very major part of what politics really is about.
    • humans can indeed be - and are! - considered - and treated - as herds. Because they are (when in large numbers/groups) and do behave like herds. Solid example: modern safety exit design in e.g. football arenas are modeled and based on herd (and panic) behavior.
    • your opinion is next to worthless. politics may (intentionally) seem to address and care about each and every individual, but it does not, in fact, it even couldn't even if they wanted to. politics thinks and works and can't but work in terms of herds, obvious ones like "white" and "black" and less obvious ones but at the end of the day herd size is what counts.
    • Your opinion also more often than not actually is not your opinion but something defined and formed by many factors - and worse, it can be influenced and even manipulated quite easily. Some major factors are region, kin, school and most importantly media.
      Quick hint: In a controlled experiment a proband, along with 4 others that were part of the experiment and who chose as told, the proband was shown images of a couple of lines of different lengths and asked to pick e.g. the shortest one.
      And so he did - until the majority (of controlled other "probands") picked one that obviously was not the shortest one. And guess... proband followed suite, almost each and every time. THAT is how massive and decisive "peer pressure" is! It does even make people prefer the group "opinion" over the reality they can observe with their own eyes.

    And almost all of you are guilty too. Why? Because you tolerated it when "the others" were hampered or even forbidden to openly and freely speak their mind.
    That's in fact a politician's device that is well known and understood since far more than 1000 years. It works like this:
    First, hamper some right of some minority. Most within the majority group won't mind, be it because it suits them or be it because they are ignorant.
    Later, hamper some (important to you) right of the majority or even of all and if they complain suppress them and enforce your rule ... mentioning that they themselves agreed to such measures against others. If needed mention "national security" or a dangerous threat from outside ... and they WILL swallow the pill.

    So, already learn the lessons: Unless everyone is free to speak their mind, nobody really is. A "right" that you can't defend is no right but a fairy tale. And finally and maybe most importantly: We are all but herds, "political capital" for the politicians, no matter which color.

    That said, I myself wouldn't join Parler, but not for reasons of political color, no, I wouldn't join them because their whole operation was ridiculously poorly designed and operated.

    The problem with democracy is that by definition > 85% of the voters are not particularly intelligent.

  • @jsg said:
    That's in fact a politician's device that is well known and understood since far more than 1000 years. It works like this:
    So, already learn the lessons: Unless everyone is free to speak their mind, nobody really is.

    What is the name of this device?

    That said, I myself wouldn't join Parler, but not for reasons of political color, no, I wouldn't join them because their whole operation was ridiculously poorly designed and operated.

    As an observer I would say they did fairly good to get it up and running and to obtain a user base. As time goes on any security and technical issues would be improved.

  • jsgjsg Member
    edited January 19

    @trycatchthis said:

    That said, I myself wouldn't join Parler, but not for reasons of political color, no, I wouldn't join them because their whole operation was ridiculously poorly designed and operated.

    As an observer I would say they did fairly good to get it up and running and to obtain a user base. As time goes on any security and technical issues would be improved.

    Throwing tons of $$ at Amazon != good design/engineering.
    "As time goes by ..." AFAIK about 70 TB of data were already leaked or hacked. So you mean that the next 70 TB will be safe?

    The problem with democracy is that by definition > 85% of the voters are not particularly intelligent.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited January 19

    You talk about freedom of speech but what about Aleksei Navalnyi? In the wonderland Russia the situation is even worse. They only allow Parler cause it creates discord in the west. As always their only target is to have destructive activity around the world rather than developement so they can stand proud above others even without ever evolving as a nation.

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  • YorisYoris Member

    @MatthewM said:
    Big tech needs to ask themselves if they are the bad guys if Russia is more welcoming of platforms like Parler.

    And to the people asking for them to host on Tor. You do know the media will demand Tor be made illegal and for all relay operators to be arrested?

    Tor will not be illegal. It is a project sponsored by the US Department of State. Instead, because of its low accessibility, it is useless in this case.

  • layclayc Member

    "But can it run Parler?" will be the new "but can it run Crysis?" meme for webhosts mhmm?

  • jsgjsg Member

    @stefeman said:
    You talk about freedom of speech but what about Aleksei Navalnyi? In the wonderland Russia the situation is even worse. They only allow Parler cause it creates discord in the west. As always their only target is to have destructive activity around the world rather than developement so they can stand proud above others even without ever evolving as a nation.

    Russia != Navalny and Russia != Putin.

    To say that Russia supports Parler to create discord in "the west" (btw. "the west" is far larger than just the USA) is about as smart as saying "the USA supports [any russian company] to create discord in Russia".

    FACT: Some russian company is selling services to some american company called Parler. And they didn't need any approval of Putin to do that.

    Plus: Well, if the west (your words) boycotts you, you need to find services elsewhere. It wasn't Putin who made Parler go there; it was "the west" who pushed Parler.

    As for Navalny, I suggest you bring that up again once Assange isn't kept in a hellhole of prison anymore. Navalny is treated far, far better. Funny btw that you bring that up in the context of an american company having been suppressed and slaughtered in America for daring to offer a medium for free speech to Americans, who are suppressed by all the oh so wonderfully 'democratic' corporations and media (e.g. "deplorables") in the oh so free western world ...
    If I had to choose I'd get the Navalny treatment over that of Assange, Snowden, and millions of ordinary Americans any day.

    One shouldn't be guided by ones dislike or even hatred of some country.

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  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited January 19

    I would also be treated like royalty in Russia if I exposed something disasterous in USA for the USA govermental body. Russia can show middle finger to the west by protecting and pampering me after I caused problems to their enemy.

    Assange caused his own problems by escaping from west to west. He did not manage to flee into russia where he would be protected and treated well due to the havoc he managed to cause be exposing everything. (Which is a good thing that he exposed the mass spying by the way).

    Similary if someone in Russia does something which causes the nation go against him, the USA and some EU countries are more than happy to offer protection just to say "fuck you" to Russia.

    My point was that Navalny wont get Assange treatment or Snowden treatment in his home country similary how Snowden and Assange would be treated badly in USA and some EU countries. You claim Navalny treated well and would like same treatment over Assange?

    GRU members stalk his flights and fly after him in order to bury him 6 feet under whenever theres a chance. He gets poisoned by his own goverment.. And when hes in coma, the doctors also try to bury him by not providing adequate treatments or denying his extraction to better hospitals and other countries for treatment. Then he survives that shit by miracle and even manages to recover almost fully. He flies back to his country and is arrested instantly lol. I bet they try to throw him into jail for some stupid made up charges and when the media eventually loses interest, he sadly dies in that prison for some "random complications" and putin offers his condolences. Its a bandit country and the citzens there already have third generation stockholm syndrome.

    At least USA wont assasinate their own dissents.

    Best regards, A person with Russian surname and some history living in Finland. Fuck putin. Im writing his name small cause hes a small man.

  • @jsg said:
    Throwing tons of $$ at Amazon != good design/engineering.
    "As time goes by ..." AFAIK about 70 TB of data were already leaked or hacked. So you mean that the next 70 TB will be safe?

    All the big tech companies were hacked before at some point as well. Were comparing 10+ year old companies to a startup. For their reliance on AWS how were they to know in advance they were going to be used as a political scape goat to take focus away from other social networks.

    Microsoft never had the kind of power AWS has when they were considered a monopoly.
    It should be seem as scary how many companies actually depend on AWS and firms should wonder at this point if rolling out their own infrastructure might be a good idea. Or at least trying to manage some International standards for interoperability between cloud services so that if one provider pulls the plug you can setup on another vendor without a major rewrite.

    As for the App store I wonder if this might cause some regulators to think Apple to should allow non Apple sanctioned apps to be loaded onto the device as is possible with Android.

    The broader implication of this is that any business that depends on SaaS / IaaS could be shut down by coordinated Denial of Serivce.

  • jsgjsg Member

    @stefeman said:
    [yada, yada, yada hatred against Russia]

    Can you provide credible and verifiable evidence for anything of your Russia-hating sermon?

    And NO, the yada, yada in the media you seem to consume, is NOT credible and verifiable evidence.

    FACT is that neither you nor the media have credible and verifiable evidence. Hardly anyone (incl. myself) has any inside information out of Putins office.
    FACT is that Assange is held in a hellhole prison while Navalny is held in a separate section of a prison so as to protect him from other prisoners. For a mere 30 days.
    FACT is also btw. that the allegations against Assange were politically motivated an construed in the first place.

    Am I fighting for Putin? No, I don't care much about him. I'm fighting against baselessly smearing the russian nation (and against sheer idiocy ).

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