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So your data is not 100% secure on the server...I think
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So your data is not 100% secure on the server...I think

The service provider can terminate your service at any time, even during the contract period.

Parler is an example.

AWS suspension... :o

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  • Well, then host in your basement.

    It may burns down in case your house is being set on fire (this can happen any time!) and your data will be lost.

    Make backups over multiple locations and providers and you'll be fine.

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  • "Termination of service" is not the same thing as whether your data is secure.

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  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Provider
    edited January 13

    If you click on the "I agree to the TOS/AUP" then the provider can do whatever they want that is in that agreement.

    I cant do it. But I can say it.
    /thread

    Alien Data: VPS and Colo Based In Texas, Unmetered Bandwidth.
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  • cociucociu Member, Provider

    its your data ... so who need to make sure have daily backup (external one) , the host or you ? except if the service is include something else.

  • the world also can end anytime mate.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • GattoGatto Member

    Didn't AWS provide them with advance notice and set a defined time/hour for their servers to be shut down, though?

  • Secure

    That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

  • tomazutomazu Member, Provider

    @xiaopigu said:
    So your data is not 100% secure on the server...I think

    100% is very difficult to achieve :-) Technically, legally etc.

    The service provider can terminate your service at any time, even during the contract period.

    that depends on the applicable law and the contract.

  • jarjar Provider

    Your data is only safe in your home, unless there's a fire. Or in a bunker, unless it gets raided. Or maybe in your head, unless you hit it on something.

    Actually I take that back. It's never safe.

  • How dare those tech company ban everything relate to current president? I still don't get it.

  • @jar said:
    Your data is only safe in your home, unless there's a fire. Or in a bunker, unless it gets raided. Or maybe in your head, unless you hit it on something.

    Actually I take that back. It's never safe.

    More accurately your data is only as safe as the systems you have developed to protect it allow.

    This isn't a case of data protection, they have the data from what I understand.

    This is a case where they depended on Amazons infrastructure and had no plan to operate otherwise.

    Other networks such as minds and gab exist with their own infrastructure.

  • trycatchthistrycatchthis Member
    edited January 14

    @Xiaoming said:
    How dare those tech company ban everything relate to current president? I still don't get it.

    See Alex Jones. Unpersoning is the Nuke in the information war. Bank accounts, Business Relationships, Marriage, Children, Home, Censorship, De-platforming, Erasure from the past. Lies, Propaganda, Misinformation. From all directions all at once. Everything digital.

    Information warfare.

    Trump was the highest profile person this has ever been used against.

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  • @Xiaoming said:
    How dare those tech company ban everything relate to current president? I still don't get it.

    You know "Terms of Agreement/Use" document everyone blindly agrees to when signing up for a free service? Well, he's been violating it forever and should have been banned years ago, but it was argued he's an important public figure and rules were bent to continue to allow him to use the service. But eventually, that argument became "fuck this, it's NOT in the public interest to repeat this fucking delusional cunt".

    Other billionaires bought their media empire years ago. Trump is only now understanding why they do. It's only been a thing for like 2000 years.

    Why people argue he should be able to well exceed terms of use other people need to follow and claiming its free speech (while steamrolling over the owners of the services' freedoms) I have no idea. Trump has an official media PR platform, he just fucking sidelined it because he can ignore you on Twitter but not by a reporter in person asking legit and relevant questions.

    It's more shameful this didn't happen 3 years ago and the government should have required presidential rants to be delivered from the White House, not by third party service like Twitter or Facebook.

    Thanked by 2skorous Xiaoming
  • A crucial website ought to have a primary server on NVMe, a secondary standby on SSD, a third replica on spinning rust, a fourth backup on VHS tape, a system to automatically perform failover, a cat to look over this system, a robot to feed the cat, and an engineer to repair the robot.
    These can get your data 99.99% secure.

    Now add some cold storage: punch cards kept in California, microfilm buried in Antarctica, and vinyl record launched to Jupiter.
    If all four online servers are lost, you are looking at a lengthy downtime, but your data would be 99.9999% secure by recovering from the cold storage.

    To finally reach 100%, transmit your data as radio waves toward a black hole.
    If California fells into the ocean, Antarctica melts, and the sun explores taking out Jupiter, you can travel to the black hole and access your data.
    According to physics, information cannot be destroy by a black hole. It's the ultimate storage with infinite space. Once you enter the black hole, you won't be able to come back, but you are with your data forever.

  • Biased, coordinated, state sponsored, politically motivated silencing of high profile individuals. Sure you're ok with it because it happened to someone you don't like. If only it were going to stop there. It's coming for everyone including people you do like. Maybe we should be made aware of the information warfare and setup mechanisms to deal with it. China secured itself at least partially from foreign intervention by building their own infra structure and now any government with the means will begin to do the same.

    @yoursunny said:

    To be fair if the sun were consuming earth I think at that point losing your data would be of minimal concern. Hilarious post none the less.

  • jsgjsg Member

    @Gatto said:
    Didn't AWS provide them with advance notice and set a defined time/hour for their servers to be shut down, though?

    No, from what is know so far they did not. According to their own rules they would have needed to (a) inform client of any posts/content they consider unacceptable, and (b) give client 30 days to cure/remedy the situation. They did NOT.

    It just so happens that Parler, which was growing rapidly is a competitor of twitter and that twitter is one of the really big major customers of AWS ...

    Boycott AWS!

    Thanks no.

  • @jsg said:

    @Gatto said:
    Didn't AWS provide them with advance notice and set a defined time/hour for their servers to be shut down, though?

    No, from what is know so far they did not.

    I would also state that the Terms of Service usually are written in such a way that allow them to change them at will. Also permits them to apply them unevenly. So they can create new rules that will only target specific users (retro actively even), or if they feel to they can apply the rules to only a subset of the violators.
    Its Ironic that when these companies were small and growing they were afraid of their larger competitors crushing them. Microsoft afraid of IBM, Google afraid of Microsoft etc... Oh how the turns have tabled.

  • jsgjsg Member

    @trycatchthis said:

    @jsg said:

    @Gatto said:
    Didn't AWS provide them with advance notice and set a defined time/hour for their servers to be shut down, though?

    No, from what is know so far they did not.

    I would also state that the Terms of Service usually are written in such a way that allow them to change them at will. Also permits them to apply them unevenly. So they can create new rules that will only target specific users (retro actively even), or if they feel to they can apply the rules to only a subset of the violators.
    Its Ironic that when these companies were small and growing they were afraid of their larger competitors crushing them. Microsoft afraid of IBM, Google afraid of Microsoft etc... Oh how the turns have tabled.

    Yes and No. Yes, companies, especially large corporations enjoy a high degree of freedom in wording and imposing their TOS. But also No, because at the end of the day, in a court room, those TOS must survive - which they won't if obviously not conforming with the law.

    Thanks no.

  • lyb9blyb9b Member

    You should be able recreate your env from scratch on another hosting provider based on own backup solution

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  • @lyb9b said:
    You should be able recreate your env from scratch on another hosting provider based on own backup solution

    Agreed.

    However there a few concerning issues:
    1) Scale this isnt a small wordpress site. 100's of servers from what I hear, Large bandwidth requirements. Large hardware orders may take a while to negotiate and arrive from suppliers.
    2) Proprietary environment. Relying on Elasticache instead of Reddis etc...
    3) Time. The users may flock to other platforms and you lose mind share in the mean time.
    4) Money. It costs money to rebuild that infrastructure.
    5) A ban from Google play will prevent non technical users from easily accessing the app even though you could side load the apk. Apple banning them form the App store means that its all but dead on iPhone and all the development time and money that went into the App is gone.

    I don't think they care but It has probably both hurt and helped their image. Some might decide to write more platform Agnostic code and rely on the cloud less going forward even if it costs more to maintain as a result of this.

  • @trycatchthis said:

    Biased, coordinated, state sponsored, politically motivated silencing of high profile individuals.

    You're referring to the shit Trump says (state sponsored) where he smears and attacks war veterans, heads of government departments and governors? Otherwise, not sure what point your making.

  • No need to think, it's 100% not secure. Backup all the time!

  • @TimboJones said:
    You're referring to the shit Trump says (state sponsored) where he smears and attacks war veterans, heads of government departments and governors? Otherwise, not sure what point your making.

    Trump wasn't even on Paler, its just a place that he might have moved to. This goes beyond Trump who suffers for his evident flaws. It has been happening to other high profile individuals for years he just happens to have been the largest target to date.

    The attacks against Parler served varying purposes, one of which was to direct blame away from the established social networks.

  • @trycatchthis said:

    @TimboJones said:
    You're referring to the shit Trump says (state sponsored) where he smears and attacks war veterans, heads of government departments and governors? Otherwise, not sure what point your making.

    Trump wasn't even on Paler, its just a place that he might have moved to. This goes beyond Trump who suffers for his evident flaws. It has been happening to other high profile individuals for years he just happens to have been the largest target to date.

    The attacks against Parler served varying purposes, one of which was to direct blame away from the established social networks.

    Still, I don't know what you're talking about. The only "state sponsored" attacks come from Trump. Third party companies without backing of the government are not "state sponsored". Also, I was referring to Twitter and Facebook in terms of censoring Trump, not Parler. There's no attack on Parler, the reasons they got dropped is that they failed to moderate their platform. If they had the resources to address them, they'd still be there. But Amazon was annoyed they'd report a problem and Parler did sweet fuck all and had no signs of getting a fucking clue.

    If YouTube and Facebook didn't have thousands of people to remove child porno and other seriously bad shit that gets uploaded, they'd have been shut down ages ago. It's the effort and resources to moderation that keeps them around.

    Anyway, if I can't understand you, it's difficult to have a discussion.

  • @TimboJones

    The only "state sponsored" attacks come from Trump.

    I don't want this thread to be about Politics. I could pm you a brief summary if you want.

    Parler was working with Law enforcement and was trying to work with AWS but the decision was made. Amy Peikoff interviews are all over.

  • creepcreep Member

    @budi1413 said:
    the world also can end anytime mate.

    hopefully i can get laid for the first time before I die.

    You're so tight, baby.

  • That is why risk management is a big topic.

    But there is no such thing as being 100% safe.

  • fkjfkj Member
    edited January 17

    @jsg said: According to their own rules they would have needed to (a) inform client of any posts/content they consider unacceptable, and (b) give client 30 days to cure/remedy the situation. They did NOT.

    According to the court filing from AWS, they DID give Parler at least 3 months to fix the problem. See https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/amazon-says-violent-posts-forced-it-to-drop-parler-from-its-web-hosting-service.html

    @trycatchthis said: Some might decide to write more platform Agnostic code and rely on the cloud less going forward even if it costs more to maintain as a result of this.

    That won't be happening. If I'm a tech lead at a startup (which Parler was 2 years ago), when I can choose b/w Lambda+Kinesis+ALB or Docker on EC2+Kafka+Nginx/Traefik, I'd go for the Lambda serverless solution for sure. Simply because, with that I don't have to monitor anything at all, while choosing Docker+Kafka require at least someone to watch the metric all time, especially Kafka is really a troublemaker. So going AWS-serverless saves me at least a roster of ops staff, hence more resources for development, when I'm heavily under-staffed (very normal for a startup).

    Of course that's what happened to Parler - Lambda only runs on AWS. So they are basically dead when AWS pull the plug. Not that they cannot find a rack and some Xeon, it's just Xeon cannot run Lambda.

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  • jsgjsg Member

    @fkj said:

    @jsg said: According to their own rules they would have needed to (a) inform client of any posts/content they consider unacceptable, and (b) give client 30 days to cure/remedy the situation. They did NOT.

    According to the court filing from AWS, they DID give Parler at least 3 months to fix the problem. See https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/amazon-says-violent-posts-forced-it-to-drop-parler-from-its-web-hosting-service.html

    Parler clearly demonstrated that that is a big fat lie. Anybody surprised? In fact Parler can prove that they even planned - with the provable knowledge of Amazon - on using Amazon's Ai to optimize filtering in addition to their already quite powerful moderation capabilities.

    Thanks no.

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