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KVM 1tb for 3 yers !! only 50 eur Located in Romania-Norway Limited Stoc !

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    FWIW: A friend just did some large backups both to a cheap 1 TB storage box from @cociu (ca. 50€/ 3 yrs) and to a not at all cheap 1 TB storage box at Prometeus (ca. 105€/yr)... and the HS box was about 3.5 times faster than the Prometeus box!
    The geo distance was smaller to HS but then Prometeus is supposed to have a much better network.

    Anyway, at the end of the day results count, and the HS storage box clearly beat the powerful Prometeus storage box.

    That doesn't mean that Prometeus is generally sh_tty, but rather that HS is (has become?) a lot better than many think it is.

    Thanked by 1cociu
  • ofitofit Member
    edited October 2020

    Small review

    For me main problem it is very slow CPU. FIO, network work ok for me. I'm installed ubuntu 20.04 + deluge + emby and it is all load cpu about 30% in idle.

    Torrents

    KVM storage
    max speed 3-4MB/s, avg will be 3.5MB/s, CPU load about 100%.
    2MB/s CPU load about 70-80%

    OVZ storage
    max speed 11-12MB/s, CPU load about 50%-60%

    emby
    Downloading from emby without any kind of transcode or converting load cpu above 90% with 10-12MB/s of download speed.

    Video playback that requires conversion without re-encoding load cpu above 90% for 12-15min on android emby player, in browser 15-20min for filesize 13GB (1080p) if not run other tasks.

    My recommendations
    This VPS good for backup but not good for seedbox or / and emby server because of CPU very slow. I'm think CPU of this VPS need to be 2 time faster for seedbox (to download 5MB/s).
    You can run torrents if limit it under 2MB/s or / and emby without any kind of transcode or converting but not download torrents (mean active downloading or seeding) + playback in emby together, it will work but CPU load will be extremly high. You can play back it from download link with local media player it will not loan CPU in this cause.

    Who know how long you can loan CPU for 100%?

    Yet-Another-Bench-Script

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    Thu Oct 22 10:49:17 UTC 2020
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : Common KVM processor
    CPU cores  : 1 @ 1795.672 MHz
    AES-NI     : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 477Mi
    Swap       : 1.0Gi
    Disk       : 993G
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 15.56 MB/s    (3.8k) | 29.48 MB/s     (460)
    Write      | 15.58 MB/s    (3.8k) | 30.18 MB/s     (471)
    Total      | 31.14 MB/s    (7.7k) | 59.66 MB/s     (931)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 89.68 MB/s     (175) | 408.85 MB/s    (399)
    Write      | 95.76 MB/s     (187) | 436.08 MB/s    (425)
    Total      | 185.44 MB/s    (362) | 844.94 MB/s    (824)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 245 Mbits/sec   | 151 Mbits/sec  
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 221 Mbits/sec   | 208 Mbits/sec  
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 281 Mbits/sec   | 233 Mbits/sec  
    Wifx            | Zurich, CH (10G)          | 181 Mbits/sec   | 166 Mbits/sec  
    Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | 247 Mbits/sec   | 29.7 Mbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 266 Mbits/sec   | 215 Mbits/sec  
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 282 Mbits/sec   | 121 Mbits/sec  
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | busy            | busy           
    Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | busy            | busy           
    
    Geekbench 5 test failed. Run manually to determine cause.
    
    

    nench.sh

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     nench.sh v2019.07.20 -- https://git.io/nench.sh
     benchmark timestamp:    2020-10-22 11:08:41 UTC
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    Processor:    Common KVM processor
    CPU cores:    1
    Frequency:    1795.672 MHz
    RAM:          477Mi
    Swap:         1.0Gi
    Kernel:       Linux 5.4.0-52-generic x86_64
    
    Disks:
    loop0   55.3M  HDD
    loop1   70.6M  HDD
    loop2     31M  HDD
    sda      1T  HDD
    
    CPU: SHA256-hashing 500 MB
        13.341 seconds
    CPU: bzip2-compressing 500 MB
        17.782 seconds
    CPU: AES-encrypting 500 MB
        16.521 seconds
    
    ioping: seek rate
        min/avg/max/mdev = 136.1 us / 357.2 us / 29.8 ms / 1.52 ms
    ioping: sequential read speed
        generated 8.98 k requests in 5.00 s, 2.19 GiB, 1.79 k iops, 448.8 MiB/s
    
    dd: sequential write speed
        1st run:    171.66 MiB/s
        2nd run:    192.64 MiB/s
        3rd run:    214.58 MiB/s
        average:    192.96 MiB/s
    
    IPv4 speedtests
        your IPv4:    188.240.208.xxxx
    
        Cachefly CDN:         47.33 MiB/s
        Leaseweb (NL):        14.32 MiB/s
        Softlayer DAL (US):   1.44 MiB/s
        Online.net (FR):      9.62 MiB/s
        OVH BHS (CA):         3.15 MiB/s
    
    No IPv6 connectivity detected
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     nench.sh v2019.07.20 -- https://git.io/nench.sh
     benchmark timestamp:    2020-10-22 11:10:46 UTC
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    Processor:    Common KVM processor
    CPU cores:    1
    Frequency:    1795.672 MHz
    RAM:          477Mi
    Swap:         1.0Gi
    Kernel:       Linux 5.4.0-52-generic x86_64
    
    Disks:
    loop0   55.3M  HDD
    loop1   70.6M  HDD
    loop2     31M  HDD
    sda      1T  HDD
    
    CPU: SHA256-hashing 500 MB
        16.128 seconds
    CPU: bzip2-compressing 500 MB
        27.101 seconds
    CPU: AES-encrypting 500 MB
        26.865 seconds
    
    ioping: seek rate
        min/avg/max/mdev = 316.1 us / 4.43 ms / 901.5 ms / 28.0 ms
    ioping: sequential read speed
        generated 6.02 k requests in 5.02 s, 1.47 GiB, 1.20 k iops, 300.0 MiB/s
    
    dd: sequential write speed
        1st run:    89.84 MiB/s
        2nd run:    113.49 MiB/s
        3rd run:    108.72 MiB/s
        average:    104.01 MiB/s
    
    IPv4 speedtests
        your IPv4:    188.240.208.xxxx
    
        Cachefly CDN:         46.58 MiB/s
        Leaseweb (NL):        1.50 MiB/s
        Softlayer DAL (US):   1.40 MiB/s
        Online.net (FR):      9.22 MiB/s
        OVH BHS (CA):         1.27 MiB/s
    
    No IPv6 connectivity detected
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    Bench.sh

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     CPU Model             : Common KVM processor
     CPU Cores             : 1
     CPU Frequency         : 1795.672 MHz
     CPU Cache             : 16384 KB
     Total Disk            : 993.3 GB (45.2 GB Used)
     Total Mem             : 477 MB (116 MB Used)
     Total Swap            : 1023 MB (620 MB Used)
     System uptime         : 0 days, 11 hour 38 min
     Load average          : 0.62, 1.14, 1.20
     OS                    : Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
     Arch                  : x86_64 (64 Bit)
     Kernel                : 5.4.0-52-generic
     TCP CC                : cubic
     Virtualization        : KVM
     Organization          : AS44220 Parfumuri Femei.com SRL
     Location              : Oradea / RO
     Region                : Bihor
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     I/O Speed(1st run)    : 165 MB/s
     I/O Speed(2nd run)    : 203 MB/s
     I/O Speed(3rd run)    : 190 MB/s
     Average I/O speed     : 186.0 MB/s
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Node Name        Upload Speed      Download Speed      Latency     
     Speedtest.net    353.83 Mbps       279.62 Mbps         12.90 ms    
     Beijing    CU    240.81 Mbps       209.25 Mbps         251.09 ms   
     Shanghai   CT    0.84 Mbps         258.81 Mbps         267.55 ms   
     Shanghai   CU    117.53 Mbps       193.20 Mbps         291.28 ms   
     Guangzhou  CT    1.74 Mbps         115.78 Mbps         260.41 ms   
     Hongkong   CN    235.52 Mbps       294.31 Mbps         256.52 ms   
     Singapore  SG    161.55 Mbps       342.27 Mbps         362.46 ms   
     Tokyo      JP    172.50 Mbps       46.28 Mbps          265.16 ms   
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    Thanked by 3jpeng default RedSox
  • I think HS is a joke of a provider but you need to realize that there was (another) big sale and there is no load balancing or throttling of suckers, I mean new customers. Everybody is thrown in the deep end of the pool at once and that decimates the CPU and IOPS while everyone runs benchmarks and YABS. (Why, I don't know, they need to benchmark something they'll never use and just idle?)

    So give it a couple of weeks, people will either refound or just stop using it and it will go back to normal, craptastic levels.

    But keep in mind, if everyone that bought plans actually decided to use the plans, this is the level of usage you'll have. HS absolutely depends on the majority of it's costumers to buy but never actually use what they've paid for.

    Thanked by 1boernd
  • @PHDan said:
    I think HS is a joke of a provider but you need to realize that there was (another) big sale and there is no load balancing or throttling of suckers, I mean new customers. Everybody is thrown in the deep end of the pool at once and that decimates the CPU and IOPS while everyone runs benchmarks and YABS. (Why, I don't know, they need to benchmark something they'll never use and just idle?)

    So give it a couple of weeks, people will either refound or just stop using it and it will go back to normal, craptastic levels.

    But keep in mind, if everyone that bought plans actually decided to use the plans, this is the level of usage you'll have. HS absolutely depends on the majority of it's costumers to buy but never actually use what they've paid for.

    TL;DR please..

  • @chocolateshirt said: TL;DR please..

    If you can't read a half-dozen sentences then you've been smoking too much crack, Hunter.

  • cociucociu Member
    edited October 2020

    @PHDan said: PHDan

    for your personal info we adverted this package for storage not for intense cpu , also i have post the cpu model. So bsically you ALWAYS have to coment shit but i think you fail

    For this offer we have use this cpu and was specified verry clear , nobody was obligated to buy , we offer including 5 days money back guarantee (i think is more than sufficient for any client to test it if is feet his needs or not) so what is your real problem ? finnaly is a vps with a cost of less 1 eur/mo in most of the case or for who was not upload credit is arrownd 1.38 eur/mo for such quantity of storage. I am not culpable if you are gelous and more you became more and more sic wich every day is passed because you follow all my threads and always have something to comment.

    Next week we will offer E5-2680v4 cpu but clear will not be in the same price so who really need hight clock speed will pay. I dont see any problem here to blame HS .

    EDIT you and others like you always accuse about overselling or any hidden misery , i invite any OLD moderator from here via teamviever and i will share all our nodes to see is not overselling in nothing so what if this is true do you will go to calm down in at least for 1 month ? i have been transparent always my friend , i work hard to mantain this business , i have improoved in the last year and still continue so i hope you understand i dont have time to lost with you. I have asked clear last day , do you have something personal with me ? share it will be more easy for your heart. ETC ETC.

    I repeat , the offer was verry clear posted , who was need it is use it or not is not my problem , my problem is to provide what i have promised wich i do and the clients can confirm.

    Enjoy the life.

    Thanked by 1msallak1
  • PHDanPHDan Member
    edited October 2020

    Am I getting to you? :smiley:

    Once again, you prove my point: "It's not my fault!!! It's not my fault!!"

    And you're claiming you don't oversell? Then why the hell does your whole system shit the bed every time you have a big sale? You've admitted it multiple times, new customers using their full allocation of resources trashes everything until they quiet down and go back to idling.

    You could fix all this, but instead you expand to sell plans in places you don't even have actual hardware at yet?

    Edit: Now, do you want to address ofit's post, or just blow smoke and distract away from actual proof that things are garbage.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @PHDan said:
    I think HS is a joke of a provider

    I don't know them very well as I only have a storage VPS with them, but a friend who is with them since years credibly tells me that HS has gotten considerably better.

    but you need to realize that there was (another) big sale and there is no load balancing or throttling of suckers, I mean new customers. Everybody is thrown in the deep end of the pool at once and that decimates the CPU and IOPS while everyone runs benchmarks and YABS. (Why, I don't know, they need to benchmark something they'll never use and just idle?)

    That might indeed a problem - but that's more or less for every provider who runs attractive promotions with significant amounts of stock. My personal rule is to give such products a week or two to settle down ... and it worked really well; I'm very happy with my storage VPS. It sure is no speed daemon but then one must also see the price, and for its price its a really nice storage box.

    But keep in mind, if everyone that bought plans actually decided to use the plans, this is the level of usage you'll have. HS absolutely depends on the majority of it's costumers to buy but never actually use what they've paid for.

    Clearly NO. Storage boxes are typically used either once per day with larger chunks of data or something like every 15 or 30 min. but then with smaller chunks. And that's indeed what I experience: the box isn't really fast but good enough to write a couple of MB per second to the disks.

    Btw, one major reason why I'm taking a position here is this: when a provider who, granted, was rather mediocre and had sh_tty support (based on what I heard) works to enhance his operations, invests quite some money, hires support people (and good ones, @MikePT for example) and succeeds in creating a reasonably good user experience - still at low prices, mind you - I find it really sh_tty to bash and bash and bash that provider.

    Yes, I myself am still observing and not yet really fully trusting, but hey, give @cociu a fair chance! Again, my HS storage box offers a very good price/performance ratio and I have nothing to complain about yet. Kindly take the many positive remarks from HS customer into consideration, too!

  • @jsg said: I don't know them very well as I only have a storage VPS with them, but a friend who is with them since years credibly tells me that HS has gotten considerably better.

    Who, poisson and his trusty steed?

    That might indeed a problem - but that's more or less for every provider who runs attractive promotions with significant amounts of stock.

    Thankfully coicu just posted that this is not the case, it's the customers fault, not his.

    Storage boxes are typically used either once per day with larger chunks of data or something like every 15 or 30 min.

    Great, now do what actual HS customers do, race to the bottom for a buck a year. They're running emby on these things, and nobody is going to stop them.

    I find it really sh_tty to bash and bash and bash that provider.

    I think it's an obvious conclusion that my level of give a crap for what you think is near non-existent. See how great the support is now? Check this thread for how many days customers go without response, one guy had his whole VPS just disappear. Mike's a great guy but he's got other things to deal with right now. Even when he was focused on HS, he was hamstrung with what he could do. A lot of the support still goes back to Marius and that's where the problem exists.

  • @PHDan said: And you're claiming you don't oversell? Then why the hell does your whole system shit the bed every time you have a big sale? You've admitted it multiple times, new customers using their full allocation of resources trashes everything until they quiet down and go back to idling.

    Man , are you make the smart here but you lost some details ? yes is used and abused almost every time durring the first weeks , the people dont understand or dont know hoe to limit some resurces , for exemple in the storage nodes we have alocated normaly 4x1gbps dedicated port , but if i provide 50 vps in hours and half of them is downloading is normaly to not have good results (the vps is adveted like 1gbps shared port) so where i am faill or what you sugest ? second , in the first days the Raid is stressed due of the same reason because all people is save in the same time so where i am faill ? you are really sc man, dont get me wrong personally nothing with you but i see you still continue and still insisting wit your same shit for many time but you miss some details (only what you want to miss) , but not my prolem your reaction my clients can confirm if is happy or not , clearly is not your case because i can bet you even dont have any service active here but you come in like a fly ...

    Totaly ignored because like i told this comments from your part is zero until you came with something real.

    Thanked by 1msallak1
  • cociucociu Member
    edited October 2020

    @PHDan another problem what i want to open , please respect this thread and let it clear , if you have any to blame please feel free to open a new thread and blame there what you want. This thread is mine and is opened to sell and present a product , for what i know or i supose you have nothing to do with this product so i dont think you can comment about quality , not quality , shit or not shit. You just have time to spend and blame but no proof. IF any client can acuse me of not provide what i have promise here yes we can discuss but until there is a long way.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @PHDan said:

    @jsg said: I don't know them very well as I only have a storage VPS with them, but a friend who is with them since years credibly tells me that HS has gotten considerably better.

    Who, poisson and his trusty steed?

    No, not him (although I like him).

    Storage boxes are typically used either once per day with larger chunks of data or something like every 15 or 30 min.

    Great, now do what actual HS customers do, race to the bottom for a buck a year. They're running emby on these things, and nobody is going to stop them.

    I am an actual customer although maybe not the typical HS customer. And I'm not at all so sure that all or most of his customers are so terrible.
    What's your data basis anyway? I see both, those who complain and those who like their service and HS. Also keep in mind that most happy customers stay quiet while unhappy ones tend to not be quiet.

    I find it really sh_tty to bash and bash and bash that provider.

    I think it's an obvious conclusion that my level of give a crap for what you think is near non-existent. See how great the support is now? Check this thread for how many days customers go without response, one guy had his whole VPS just disappear. Mike's a great guy but he's got other things to deal with right now. Even when he was focused on HS, he was hamstrung with what he could do. A lot of the support still goes back to Marius and that's where the problem exists.

    I guess that what happens with most providers when they do a big promo. And yes, probably it's really a weak point of @cociu to sell too much too quickly - but that doesn't mean that he didn't make HS considerably better than it was.
    You see I don't care when a provider gets some negative feedback; what I dislike is when some here (cough, cough, looking e.g. at you) ONLY bash a provider, giving the impression that no matter what that provider does and enhances, they'll bash him anyway.

  • PHDanPHDan Member
    edited October 2020

    @cociu said: for exemple in the storage nodes we have alocated normaly 4x1gbps dedicated port , but if i provide 50 vps in hours and half of them is downloading is normaly to not have good results

    Which is pretty much the definition of overselling?

    @jsg said: what I dislike is when some here (cough, cough, looking e.g. at you)

    That circles back to I don't give a fuck what you think. Which isn't a minority opinion here.

    @jsg said: but hey, give @cociu a fair chance!

    He's had more "fair chance"s than absolutely every other provider. How many more "fair chance"s does he need?

  • cociucociu Member
    edited October 2020

    @PHDan said: Which is pretty much the definition of overselling?

    you are sic man really sorry until now i have post this only for post but now i am convinced. Wht kind of word you dont understand me ? i have ask you to tell what i post wrong or what i have not delivered of what i have promised. Now if you look , and look , and look , and look .... maybe you will find something because i am human too so i can make mistake. NOW all your look is to blame me but no worry i think i am out of stock with 400 vps presales ... this mean more than to words. AND for your info always is the same , good promos rappid sales and +80% clients content . IF you look to this thread you will see the rest 20% who was not even spend a second what hi have buy or what hi pay , for exemple place the order and in 10 second open a tiket for vps not received. Upload credit and do the same so is my fault ? no man is not mine.

    For me you are a ignored person so please do not comment in my threads offer any mone only if you came with some proof or if you see any wrong there but overselling what you acuse i think you have no dick to know what is a overselling. More if the provider is specif you verry clear what is offered and you still continu with your history who is paranoic here ? i Repeat all this vps was sell yet so no interest to defend me to sell more or something like this.

    PS i will not see you start from now so no spend your precious second from your sady life to respond , one of the rules of this forum is "dont be a dick" i think you miss this , also do not mess a thread without any related to this.

  • @cociu said: Totaly ignored because like i told this comments from your part is zero until you came with something real.

    Can't even last a half an hour.

    @cociu said: For me you are a ignored person so please do not comment in my threads offer

    Nah, I'll comment where ever the hell I feel like it. Don't like it? Tough shit.

    @cociu said: PS i will not see you start from now so no spend your precious second from your sady life to respond.

    Oh, you'll be back, and every post you make just reinforces my points and shows how much of a clown show this is.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • Why are you guys entertaining this awful human being? They're not a customer and clearly aren't keen on becoming one so they clearly have no reason to be here other than stirring up shit. Best to ignore these people because it'll never end otherwise.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @PHDan said:

    @jsg said: what I dislike is when some here (cough, cough, looking e.g. at you)

    That circles back to I don't give a fuck what you think. Which isn't a minority opinion here.

    Oh, I see that's why you read my posts and commented on them - twice...

    You are here to bash @cociu, no matter what, simple as that and obvious, troll.

  • @jsg said: You are here to bash @cociu, no matter what, simple as that and obvious, troll.

    Nah, trolls have no truth to their statements. Nobody has been able to refute what I've said, more to the fact that most of the responses have actually been affirming my points.

    HostSolutions "We're BIG in China!!"

  • @PHDan said:

    HostSolutions "We're BIG in China!!"

    I did not know they had staff with Chinese...

  • @ofit said: KVM storage
    max speed 3-4MB/s, avg will be 3.5MB/s, CPU load about 100%.
    2MB/s CPU load about 70-80%

    OVZ storage
    max speed 11-12MB/s, CPU load about 50%-60%

    I have similar experience with non-storage VPS. One of my VPS was converted from OVZ to KVM and loads are much higher after KVM conversion with similar server usage.

  • I am getting the vibes of high school bullies :smile:

    Thanked by 2yoursunny lentro
  • hzrhzr Member

    @RedSox said: People who bought the 1TB HDD 512MB RAM VPS tell me please for what purposes do you use it? Just currious :smile:

    Furry porn storage by primary key (all GUID/UUIDs). No thumbnail generation.

  • @PHDan said:

    @cociu said: for exemple in the storage nodes we have alocated normaly 4x1gbps dedicated port , but if i provide 50 vps in hours and half of them is downloading is normaly to not have good results

    Which is pretty much the definition of overselling?

    @jsg said: what I dislike is when some here (cough, cough, looking e.g. at you)

    That circles back to I don't give a fuck what you think. Which isn't a minority opinion here.

    @jsg said: but hey, give @cociu a fair chance!

    He's had more "fair chance"s than absolutely every other provider. How many more "fair chance"s does he need?

    Please show me a similar offer from any other provider? well I have never seen one and honestly 1TB of storage at the cost 1.39 EUR/month or 0.93 EUR/m in case you get 50% bonus I will never complain if it was 10mb/s or 1gb/s .

  • @msallak1 said: Please show me a similar offer from any other provider?

    In the same class as HostSolutions? There was one, but they deadpooled. There's a reason others don't offer the same, and I bet you already know what that reason is.

    if it was 10mb/s or 1gb/s

    Now do when the array pops an it takes months to fsck it all.

  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Host Rep

    @PHDan Well you are always a constantly shitting on @cociu. Enough is enough! It is annoying to see this toxic behavior and it has gone on long enough! Enjoy the two week vacation!

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited October 2020

    @PHDan - it's useless to have such conversation now. People are currently motivated by hype, high hopes, and adrenaline rush, caused by incoming Black Friday offers, not to mention the Covid19 pandemic effects combined with autumn PMS and lack of toilet paper in stores.

    Maybe, the best action for you now would be to bookmark this thread, and when people come here and start complaining with screenshots, give them a big and bold "I told you so" message, with links to this thread, reproaching whoever opens a thread because they did not read the warnings. At that time, ball will be on your grounds; but for now... it's just not the right moment...

    Thanked by 2cociu yoursunny
  • @PHDan If you can't offer what @cociu offered regarding the specs, price... which i'm pretty sure you can't , its best if you shut up !

    Thanked by 2cociu nulldev
  • cociucociu Member
    edited October 2020

    i really dont understand him way so gelous or whatever is .. i dont know if was a client in our x years of business but really dont understand how someone get so much hate for nothing. With his comment of without we are still selling and we keep this business up. Is true some weeks ago someone was make a joke about pornhub and i take it like a real , after this i ask public apologise but still. I am not a person to complain but today i have flag his messages because was too much. I think we are all here to respect each others , no hate , no atack , no racist , no gelous , etc ..

    Any way thanks for who was give him vacation and i hope this will calm down. Finally i represent a business not a childish ... but some time is difficult for me to defend me in a language that is not my native one.

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