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Wordpress.com Business Plan

Do they have some kind of limit / Fair Use ? CPU, RAM, IO ?

I can't find any info. Asked in their support forum, and a staff said, I shouldn't worry about it. My websites won't be going down, regardless how much my visitor hammered it. But, it's kind of vague and too good to be true.

Is this true ? Anyone have any experience with Wordpress.com business plan ? I can't find any contact support for presale question.

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  • seriesnseriesn Member, Top Provider

    Honestly, @25/month with yearly commitment for a single domain hosting, I am pretty sure the limit, even when it exisits, is pretty damn high.

  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

    there is generally no limit, if you install shitty plugins like broken caching ones they will just remove them

    as long as you are hosting a real blog/site (not wallpaper spam, etc) its effectively infinite scaling.

  • @seriesn said:
    Honestly, @25/month with yearly commitment for a single domain hosting, I am pretty sure the limit, even when it exisits, is pretty damn high.

    Depends on the business, for mission critical apps with 20k concurrent user logged in, 25 / month is cheap.

    @hzr said:
    there is generally no limit, if you install shitty plugins like broken caching ones they will just remove them

    as long as you are hosting a real blog/site (not wallpaper spam, etc) its effectively infinite scaling.

    I am hosting web apps for education / LMS, with heavy customization and hosting for about 200 schools. It's basically PHP Application created with wordpress framework.

    an example of this would be https://cbt.my.id/ nobody will think that's made using wordpress by just the look of it.

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  • seriesnseriesn Member, Top Provider

    @yokowasis said:

    @seriesn said:
    Honestly, @25/month with yearly commitment for a single domain hosting, I am pretty sure the limit, even when it exisits, is pretty damn high.

    Depends on the business, for mission critical apps with 20k concurrent user logged in, 25 / month is cheap.

    @hzr said:
    there is generally no limit, if you install shitty plugins like broken caching ones they will just remove them

    as long as you are hosting a real blog/site (not wallpaper spam, etc) its effectively infinite scaling.

    I am hosting web apps for education / LMS, with heavy customization and hosting for about 200 schools. It's basically PHP Application created with wordpress framework.

    an example of this would be https://cbt.my.id/ nobody will think that's made using wordpress by just the look of it.

    Ah! Fair sir. Fair. Sometimes I do get indulged into the LE process. Nice project :)

  • To put things in perspective, my service could bring down the likes of cloudjiffy server to its knee. To the point that they need to shutdown my service, because it's affecting the host node. Even crashing and corrupting the NFS and the Database node, to the point that I can't mount / use it anymore.

    I am literally losing Millions (IDR) and clients at the time. But, like a saying. What doesn't kill you make you stronger.

  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

    @yokowasis said: I am hosting web apps for education / LMS, with heavy customization and hosting for about 200 schools. It's basically PHP Application created with wordpress framework.

    Yeah this is not wordpress, don't bother if you are going to try that.

  • @hzr said:

    @yokowasis said: I am hosting web apps for education / LMS, with heavy customization and hosting for about 200 schools. It's basically PHP Application created with wordpress framework.

    Yeah this is not wordpress, don't bother if you are going to try that.

    Yeah, I tried explaining to the staff, this isn't just another wordpress sites where the user just read stuff. They just keep saying, not a problem.

    I wish there's a way to get hold to the real support.

    I suppose I will just use them to host content, and get that content using rest api. in this case, even the free plan should work.

  • Looking for no hassle wordpress hosting? Try https://hostwp.net ;) .

    Shilling away wordpress business plan is a solid hosting. Support is good.

    hostwp.net -- Wordpress Hosting for Developers.

  • @LTniger said:
    Looking for no hassle wordpress hosting? Try https://hostwp.net ;) .

    Shilling away wordpress business plan is a solid hosting. Support is good.

    It said access denied. Also I don't think hostwp can handle my traffic. Even I am hesitate to go with wordpress.com.

  • Are you in China or Brazil?

    hostwp.net -- Wordpress Hosting for Developers.

  • @LTniger said:
    Are you in China or Brazil?

    Indonesia

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  • Have you ever looked at FlyWheel?

  • @CasualCanvas said:
    Have you ever looked at FlyWheel?

    No. Are they better than wordpress.com ?

  • @yokowasis said: Do they have some kind of limit / Fair Use ? CPU, RAM, IO ?

    I'm also having WP sites on their business plan. During pre-sales questions I had asked about CPU/RAM they notified me that there's no hard-limit for the business plan in terms for CPU, RAM, I/O. But a fair-share usage is expected from the customers. Now what this fair-share usage limits are - they didn't reveal. But considering the plan price and also reading reviews of few clients having high-traffic WP sites on business plan, it seems CPU (vCPU) can be anywhere between 4 to 6 and same can be the RAM. And if you are using ONLY to serve content on WP pages then it might not trigger the bell, but if someone is hosting for image-sharing, wallpaper download, software download, etc. then they might ask them to upgrade or leave!

    P.S.: In their TOS, 6th clause, sub-point says: "Will not overburden Automattic’s systems, as determined by us in our sole discretion;"

    Good Morning. Have a nice day ahead!smiley

  • @JasonM said:

    @yokowasis said: Do they have some kind of limit / Fair Use ? CPU, RAM, IO ?

    I'm also having WP sites on their business plan. During pre-sales questions I had asked about CPU/RAM they notified me that there's no hard-limit for the business plan in terms for CPU, RAM, I/O. But a fair-share usage is expected from the customers. Now what this fair-share usage limits are - they didn't reveal. But considering the plan price and also reading reviews of few clients having high-traffic WP sites on business plan, it seems CPU (vCPU) can be anywhere between 4 to 6 and same can be the RAM. And if you are using ONLY to serve content on WP pages then it might not trigger the bell, but if someone is hosting for image-sharing, wallpaper download, software download, etc. then they might ask them to upgrade or leave!

    P.S.: In their TOS, 6th clause, sub-point says: "Will not overburden Automattic’s systems, as determined by us in our sole discretion;"

    Thanks for the explanation. I guess serve content is fine. I will host the apps somewhere else and load the content using ajax api calls.

  • @yokowasis said:
    To put things in perspective, my service could bring down the likes of cloudjiffy server to its knee. To the point that they need to shutdown my service, because it's affecting the host node. Even crashing and corrupting the NFS and the Database node, to the point that I can't mount / use it anymore.

    Really? Cloud Jiffy is running on Jelastic that should guarantee host node protection

  • eva2000eva2000 Member
    edited September 21

    @yokowasis said: I am hosting web apps for education / LMS, with heavy customization and hosting for about 200 schools. It's basically PHP Application created with wordpress framework.

    Curious is that a custom written solution or you using one of the many LMS Wordpress plugins available ? I don't have much experience with LMS so asked my forum members and did my own research https://community.centminmod.com/threads/experience-with-learning-management-system-wordpress-plugins.18290/ and I came to conclusion using Wordpress for LMS isn't going to scale due to the logged in user related load - the backend resource usage requirements will be much larger as you increase in user concurrency. Moodle seems like it will scale much better from reading I've done. Still haven't had enough free time to research and test more though.

    Moodle hardware/performance forums https://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=596

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  • @yokowasis , what are your requirements? Hetzner and NetCup can provide you systems at less than 1.1 dollar per GB of RAM, do you truly need a managed service with a vague AUP?

  • vyas11vyas11 Member
    edited September 21

    Interesting that a post started on LES 4 hours ago is already indexed by Duckduckgo/Google.

    Coming back to the topic,

    You might want to check out
    https://winningwp.com/wordpress-com-business-plan-review/

    Extracts:

    At the other end of the spectrum, websites hosted on the WordPress.com Business plan must use the Akismet anti-spam plugin and the Jetpack plugin.

    Wider list of plugins: https://wordpress.com/support/incompatible-plugins/

    There are some plugins that aren’t allowed, such as WP Super Cache, BackWPup and Advanced Database Cleaner. However, having a list of prohibited plugins is a pretty common practice with many managed WordPress hosts, including WP Engine and Kinsta.

    Comparison of plans and limits:
    https://winningwp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/WordPress-Plan-Feature-Comparison.png


    A good friend of mine has a learning academy for finance and legal professionals. His setup IIRC is 3 instances of Google Cloud Platform for LMS (1 of which is for DB, 1 backup) and a WP front end for the main site.

  • @angelius said:

    @yokowasis said:
    To put things in perspective, my service could bring down the likes of cloudjiffy server to its knee. To the point that they need to shutdown my service, because it's affecting the host node. Even crashing and corrupting the NFS and the Database node, to the point that I can't mount / use it anymore.

    Really? Cloud Jiffy is running on Jelastic that should guarantee host node protection

    Yes, the support said so. Because apparently I consume too much processing power, and spawning too many node.

    @eva2000 said:

    @yokowasis said: I am hosting web apps for education / LMS, with heavy customization and hosting for about 200 schools. It's basically PHP Application created with wordpress framework.

    Curious is that a custom written solution or you using one of the many LMS Wordpress plugins available ? I don't have much experience with LMS so asked my forum members and did my own research https://community.centminmod.com/threads/experience-with-learning-management-system-wordpress-plugins.18290/ and I came to conclusion using Wordpress for LMS isn't going to scale due to the logged in user related load - the backend resource usage requirements will be much larger as you increase in user concurrency. Moodle seems like it will scale much better from reading I've done. Still haven't had enough free time to research and test more though.

    Moodle hardware/performance forums https://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=596

    Yes, it's a custom solution. As of right now, I made the entire site cacheable, and serve the whole website on bunnycdn. User related data is queried using nodejs using ajax, because nodejs performance > php.

    But even in this setup, my dedicated server keep hitting 100% CPU Usage.

    @AC_Fan said:
    @yokowasis , what are your requirements? Hetzner and NetCup can provide you systems at less than 1.1 dollar per GB of RAM, do you truly need a managed service with a vague AUP?

    That's the million dollar question, what CPU Power do I really need. For RAM 32GB is enough. I suppose at some point I will going for full serverless application, So I dont have to deal with managing a server.

    I am thinking about Wordpress.com for Serve the Content AND Google Cloud Function + Google Realtime Database to handle user login and session.

    @vyas11 said:
    Interesting that a post started on LES 4 hours ago is already indexed by Duckduckgo/Google.

    Coming back to the topic,

    You might want to check out
    https://winningwp.com/wordpress-com-business-plan-review/

    Extracts:

    At the other end of the spectrum, websites hosted on the WordPress.com Business plan must use the Akismet anti-spam plugin and the Jetpack plugin.

    Wider list of plugins: https://wordpress.com/support/incompatible-plugins/

    There are some plugins that aren’t allowed, such as WP Super Cache, BackWPup and Advanced Database Cleaner. However, having a list of prohibited plugins is a pretty common practice with many managed WordPress hosts, including WP Engine and Kinsta.

    Comparison of plans and limits:
    https://winningwp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/WordPress-Plan-Feature-Comparison.png


    A good friend of mine has a learning academy for finance and legal professionals. His setup IIRC is 3 instances of Google Cloud Platform for LMS (1 of which is for DB, 1 backup) and a WP front end for the main site.

    Thanks, I will check them out.

  • @yokowasis said: But even in this setup, my dedicated server keep hitting 100% CPU Usage.

    and the question is where is that 100% cpu usage coming from ?

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  • @eva2000 said:

    @yokowasis said: But even in this setup, my dedicated server keep hitting 100% CPU Usage.

    and the question is where is that 100% cpu usage coming from ?

    mostly coming from mysql handling both php-fpm and nodejs connection.

  • i guess, critical issue is Database Caching
    cause mostly dynamic db / authenticated user

  • @yokowasis said:

    @eva2000 said:

    @yokowasis said: But even in this setup, my dedicated server keep hitting 100% CPU Usage.

    and the question is where is that 100% cpu usage coming from ?

    mostly coming from mysql handling both php-fpm and nodejs connection.

    is it possible for you to offload queries to redis.

  • @Ahfaiahkid said:

    @yokowasis said:

    @eva2000 said:

    @yokowasis said: But even in this setup, my dedicated server keep hitting 100% CPU Usage.

    and the question is where is that 100% cpu usage coming from ?

    mostly coming from mysql handling both php-fpm and nodejs connection.

    is it possible for you to offload queries to redis.

    not possible. Most queries is sending students answer to the server. The read queries get cached by the bunnycdn anyway.

  • SamPSamP Member
    edited September 21

    Hetzner managed server?

  • @op - so 200 schools at a hosting cost of 12.5 cents a month per school? How much are you actually charging them? If truly a web service that you plan on growing why not attempt to get into the amazon program https://aws.amazon.com/activate/ perhaps then you could get resources without overloading an account that most providers would close due to heavy system stress

    Nothing profound to say, so I'm on LET.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    I believe OP is located in Indonesia,

    So, 12p budget makes sense.

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    There are two things that make Earth spin: Money and PMS.

  • @Unbelievable said:
    @op - so 200 schools at a hosting cost of 12.5 cents a month per school? How much are you actually charging them? If truly a web service that you plan on growing why not attempt to get into the amazon program https://aws.amazon.com/activate/ perhaps then you could get resources without overloading an account that most providers would close due to heavy system stress

    This is a good idea, thanks. But I am halfway converting my code to Google Cloud Platform.

  • @op firebase.google.com?

    Nothing profound to say, so I'm on LET.

  • yes

  • @yokowasis said:
    not possible. Most queries is sending students answer to the server. The read queries get cached by the bunnycdn anyway.

    then you do it the wrong way.

    We only support unsupported OS!

  • @sibaper said:

    @yokowasis said:
    not possible. Most queries is sending students answer to the server. The read queries get cached by the bunnycdn anyway.

    then you do it the wrong way.

    what's the right way ?

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    @angelius said:

    @yokowasis said:
    To put things in perspective, my service could bring down the likes of cloudjiffy server to its knee. To the point that they need to shutdown my service, because it's affecting the host node. Even crashing and corrupting the NFS and the Database node, to the point that I can't mount / use it anymore.

    Really? Cloud Jiffy is running on Jelastic that should guarantee host node protection

    Never underestimate the ability of one out of a million customers to bring down that which is supposedly safe from being brought down 😂

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    Ajax triggering nodejs sounds rough to me. When I worked at HostGator I’d spend a lot of time trying to make difficult Wordpress sites function and perform reasonably in their environments. The ones that I gave up on usually used ajax to perform back end actions that couldn’t be cached by any plugin. Especially if the Ajax wasn’t behind a login and could be triggered by spiders, they’d be brought down by stacking SQL queries without traffic.

    Honestly it sounds to me like you’ve outgrown Wordpress and that this may be profitable enough for you to consider a web developer. Frankly, developing a web application that handles these tasks for you in a way that was written from the ground up to handle the intended workloads could reduce your overhead from “I need a giant dedicated server” to “a slice from Fran will do.”

    From the sound of it you’re vertically scaling into a death sentence, delaying it further and further by throwing cash at it.

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  • yokowasisyokowasis Member
    edited September 21

    @jar said:
    Ajax triggering nodejs sounds rough to me. When I worked at HostGator I’d spend a lot of time trying to make difficult Wordpress sites function and perform reasonably in their environments. The ones that I gave up on usually used ajax to perform back end actions that couldn’t be cached by any plugin. Especially if the Ajax wasn’t behind a login and could be triggered by spiders, they’d be brought down by stacking SQL queries without traffic.

    Honestly it sounds to me like you’ve outgrown Wordpress and that this may be profitable enough for you to consider a web developer. Frankly, developing a web application that handles these tasks for you in a way that was written from the ground up to handle the intended workloads could reduce your overhead from “I need a giant dedicated server” to “a slice from Fran will do.”

    From the sound of it you’re vertically scaling into a death sentence, delaying it further and further by throwing cash at it.

    Unfortunately the wordpress is my bread and butter application. It's my application unique selling point. As of right now I have separated my application into a few microservices, so basically the wordpress part is for only serving content. Complicated logic can be offloaded into another server on another DC, on another continent.

    As off right now perhaps I am delaying the inevitable, I just literally need to buy some time, until I can convert my application database from mysql into firebase.

    My initial intent is just use wordpress.com / php / mysql for all the logic, and heavylifting. But based on input from LET member, they will probably suspend me for that. Thus, my next plan is just to combine wordpress.com to serve content, and google firebase / cloud function for the logic.

    In the past, I have tried serving content using free account wordpress.com for 10k concurrent user, and it works just fine. So, I guess if it's just for serving (static) content, wordpress.com is enough for me.

  • @yokowasis said: mostly coming from mysql handling both php-fpm and nodejs connection.

    Well redis server isn't just for read caching. You could use redis server as a write queue buffer like database for answered questions which then a cronjob like timer get batch committed to MySQL InnoDB database. Could work I suspect as answered questions won't have their data relied upon by others in the delayed batch writebacks. Redis server ends up like a read/write proxy to MySQL server.

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  • yokowasisyokowasis Member
    edited September 22

    @eva2000 said:

    @yokowasis said: mostly coming from mysql handling both php-fpm and nodejs connection.

    Well redis server isn't just for read caching. You could use redis server as a write queue buffer like database for answered questions which then a cronjob like timer get batch committed to MySQL InnoDB database. Could work I suspect as answered questions won't have their data relied upon by others in the delayed batch writebacks. Redis server ends up like a read/write proxy to MySQL server.

    This is actually a good idea. Thanks. I will consider using it. It will reduce the write to the database dramaticallly.

  • yokowasisyokowasis Member
    edited September 22

    To put things into perspective, console log everytime a student is login

    this is currently serve 10k concurrent user, with 2 dedicated server. 1 Server (E5645) solely for wordpress, and the other (E5620) is for backend / database / logic. It's only logging login / logout activity. It's even more busier if logging the students activity after they logged in.

    As of right now the load is between 50% and 80%. I am considering moving to hetzner axline, but when I need it, nobody post about server transfer :(

  • Are you allowed to upload your own custom plugins/themes on wordpress.com plan?

  • @laoban goto wordpress.com, click on pricing, click on start with business and read

    Nothing profound to say, so I'm on LET.

  • @laoban said:
    Are you allowed to upload your own custom plugins/themes on wordpress.com plan?

    Previously it's not allowed. With the -relatively- new Business Plan, you can upload your own plugin / theme.

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  • @yokowasis said:
    Indonesia

    have you ever heard about citrahost.com? it's my fav hosting.

  • @blackhiden said:

    @yokowasis said:
    Indonesia

    have you ever heard about citrahost.com? it's my fav hosting.

    Shared hosting cant even sustain 200 concurrent user. Let alone 20K users.

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