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A humble request

jbilohjbiloh Administrator

Hello Everyone,

As you may or may not know, in January 2020 I purchased Low End Talk and Low End Box from ColoCrossing/Deluxe. Shortly after making the purchase I embarked on a significant effort to listen to the community, discuss the state of things with our moderators and get to work improving things https://lowendbox.com/blog/what-do-you-want-to-see-on-low-end-box-share-your-opinion (see thread on Low End Box, plus Facebook and all of the numerous conversations on Discord, email and in DM).

We've made big progress over the last 8 weeks, from removing most of the advertising on both websites, upgrading the hosting platform and moving it away from the famous cluster, updating all the back end software, adding plugins and modules to make the website work better and offer more features, and a very long list of bug fixes, including fixing the long hated mobile version view bug. You can review the entire list of fixes, improvements and changes here: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/163043/leb-let-improvements-feedback/p1

The work isn't done though, and I keep hustling each day to make our community better, restoring it to its former glory.

On the Low End Box front I am writing most of the content now, and what isn't written by me I am reviewing prior to publishing. The goal is to improve the quality and variety of what gets published on Low End Box. I am also contacting numerous larger hosting providers and discussing the possibility of featuring LEB exclusive offers.

I've also reached out to dozens of old members on Low End Talk to establish a dialog and work to bring them back to a more involved and active role. A big thanks for the contributions of our moderators/administrators both in the past and now.

So, given all of the above progress, I am humbly requesting that our community consider white listing Low End Box and Low End Talk from your ad blockers. The website is ad supported, as you know we removed more than half the ads over the past two months. The financial support provided by the ads that remain are critical to making sure we can stay online and produce content people are interested in.

I hope everyone will consider helping us out with this.

Either way, thanks to all of you for being part of our community.

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Jon Biloh
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  • I'll give the answer you deserve. No way in hell would i or should any community members support you financially after everything that's happened with cc that you were apart of.

  • As a person who has years in this community, 4 as i do recall [not much eh?], really looking forward on bringing this forum/place at its feet!

    Good luck [ though i'm not deactivating my ad blocker ].

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  • cazrzcazrz Member

    Lets give another chance to @jbilloh. Anyway many providers makes sales here. Let's support the providers as well as this site. There are also providers who makes mistakes and comes back doing it the right way. Only corona virus is inhuman.

    Until now there are many providers that adds their promo on the Offers section. Every post you make, every time you load this site, every thread you read, all cost money.

    It is just like having covid-19, going to the hospital, and the doctor says, we can't give you the test kit because you cant afford.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    james50a said: I'll give the answer you deserve. No way in hell would i or should any community members support you financially after everything that's happened with cc that you were apart of.

    I am sorry you feel that way. Hope you'll reconsider in the future. If you would like to talk to me directly I'm always available via DM. Send me a message.

    armandorg said: As a person who has years in this community, 4 as i do recall [not much eh?], really looking forward on bringing this forum/place at its feet!

    Good luck [ though i'm not deactivating my ad blocker ].

    Many thanks to you!

    cazrz said: Lets give another chance to @jbilloh. Anyway many providers makes sales here. Let's support the providers as well as this site. There are also providers who makes mistakes and comes back doing it the right way. Only corona virus is inhuman.

    Thanks so much for your support.

    Jon Biloh
  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Provider

    Consider adding patreon or membership function as a revenue source.

    For example 1$ a month gives you ad free experience and supporter flair. 5$ a month gives you silver supporter flair, 10$ a month gold supporter flair, 20$ a month platinum.
    If any other perks above ad free, it has to be something which does not mess with content or other people's experience (ie. no freedom to spam new offer every day, or skipping the usual offer rules!). In essence, it only gives you bragging rights :)

    WHT used to get revenue by sticky or highlighted offer threads, that's somewhat unobtrusive as well, consider this option as well - but seriously do not let it get spammy. Say maximum 2 sticky and 2 highlights at any given time in either of the offer categories.

    To get more viewers, on top of thread next to bookmark icon similarly sized icons for share on twitter or facebook - you'll get tons more visitors here that way.

    Regardless, whatever you choose, user experience should be #1. Ruin UX and it'll be a ghost town real fast.

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  • momkinmomkin Member

    If you need money , then ask @cociu I'm sure he will very generous to give you some :smile:

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  • pikepike Member

    Okay ublock is off now, but Privacy Badger stays on.

  • niceboyniceboy Member

    Disabled ublock on let now. Hope the improvements continue.

    But, if I feel the ads are annoying, will enable again.

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  • LeeLee Member
    edited March 23

    I will give you credit for having done some of the things asked albeit they took longer than expected. Still don't want to see the LEB offers being fed into this forum though.

    I have unblocked, for now on LET, not removing the block on LEB though.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    PulsedMedia said: For example 1$ a month gives you ad free experience and supporter flair. 5$ a month gives you silver supporter flair, 10$ a month gold supporter flair, 20$ a month platinum.

    If any other perks above ad free, it has to be something which does not mess with content or other people's experience (ie. no freedom to spam new offer every day, or skipping the usual offer rules!). In essence, it only gives you bragging rights

    Thanks for the idea, I had not considered something like this.

    PulsedMedia said: WHT used to get revenue by sticky or highlighted offer threads, that's somewhat unobtrusive as well, consider this option as well - but seriously do not let it get spammy. Say maximum 2 sticky and 2 highlights at any given time in either of the offer categories.

    I know WHT used to make buckets of money from this approach but it also caused the offer section to get really difficult to navigate as an end user. I have been focused on making LET and LEB easier to use and cleaner.

    PulsedMedia said: To get more viewers, on top of thread next to bookmark icon similarly sized icons for share on twitter or facebook - you'll get tons more visitors here that way.

    Are you familiar with a Vanilla plugin that does this and isn't broken? Would love any suggestions. I just fixed the social share feature on LEB a few days ago.

    PulsedMedia said: Regardless, whatever you choose, user experience should be #1. Ruin UX and it'll be a ghost town real fast.

    I agree 100%. That's why we removed the bulk of the ads among all the other changes.

    pike said: Okay ublock is off now, but Privacy Badger stays on.

    Thank you!

    niceboy said: Disabled ublock on let now. Hope the improvements continue.

    But, if I feel the ads are annoying, will enable again.

    Thank you very much. As you know all of our ads are provided via BuySellAds and almost all of the them are tech based and pertinent.

    Lee said: I will give you credit for having done some of the things asked albeit they took longer than expected. Still don't want to see the LEB offers being fed into this forum though.

    I have unblocked, for now.

    Thanks I appreciate that!

    Jon Biloh
  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator
    edited March 23

    I would whitelist if the borderline-malicious scripting is removed and only text/image based ads are served, directly. Without the aggressive cross site tracking attempts.

    Unfortunately on a high latency connection it's not so much the ads but the tracking scripts that are making thousands of connections repeatedly.

    Edit: Yep, it's the tracking scripts. 2 minutes to finish loading, 5 seconds otherwise.

    For adroll alone, much less bsa, onetag, rmtag, perfectaudience:
    image

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @hzr said:
    I would whitelist if the borderline-malicious scripting is removed and only text/image based ads are served, directly. Without the aggressive cross site tracking attempts.

    Unfortunately on a high latency connection it's not so much the ads but the tracking scripts that are making thousands of connections repeatedly.

    Send me a DM about what you mean. We only use BuySellAds for advertising so I am not following. Other than that there is code for Google Analytics but that should be it.

    Jon Biloh
  • I haven't used adblock for the past 2 years - I've just stopped visiting websites with intrusive ads. Regarding tracking, I'm currently testing firefox containers once again.

    Lets make LET great again!

  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator
    edited March 23

    jbiloh said: Send me a DM about what you mean. We only use BuySellAds for advertising so I am not following. Other than that there is code for Google Analytics but that should be it.

    Sent

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    luissousa said: I haven't used adblock for the past 2 years - I've just stopped visiting websites with intrusive ads. Regarding tracking, I'm currently testing firefox containers once again.

    Lets make LET great again!

    I suppose that means that you don't think our ads are intrusive. :)

    Jon Biloh
  • Come on guys don't be so egotistical. The owner of the forum is trying to keep it all afloat in these thought times and perhaps make a bit of profit (I see nothing wrong with the latter).
    I am pretty sure that many of us have in some way or another benefited from the forum. Personally I have found providers at LET and made some pretty good deals in the past that made me a decent amount of money. Many of you also benefited from free advertisement in the forum in one way or another or at least learned some industry insights.
    I have seen many decent free services going away in the past due to lack of funding.
    Just image that LET and LEB are gone one day ... where would most of the independent hosts advertise? EIG sponsored affiliate sites at $150 USD commission per sale or maybe adwords at $10 USD per click or maybe the overly censored WHT?
    Let's all show some support to LET if we do not want to loose it. Seeing a few ads is no big deal.
    Besides who doesn't make mistakes?
    Good luck @jbiloh3

    P.S. Whitelisted.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator
    edited March 23

    preslavl said: Let's all show some support to LET if we do not want to loose it. Seeing a few ads is no big deal.
    Besides who doesn't make mistakes?
    Good luck @jbiloh

    P.S. Whitelisted.

    Thank you very much. We appreciate it sincerely.

    Jon Biloh
  • t0ny0t0ny0 Member

    Disabled adblocker. Glad to be able to help out. Keep up the good work and keep them offers coming.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    t0ny0 said: Disabled adblocker. Glad to be able to help out. Keep up the good work and keep them offers coming.

    Woot, thank you!

    Jon Biloh
  • PhilTechiePhilTechie Member, Provider

    Disabled adblocker for LET and LEB.

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    PhilTechie said: Disabled adblocker for LET and LEB.

    Thanks Phil, I appreciate that.

    Jon Biloh
  • boerndboernd Member

    Are the ads paid on a per view basis?

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  • Shot2Shot2 Member

    @james50a said:
    I'll give the answer you deserve. No way in hell would i or should any community members support you financially after everything that's happened with cc that you were apart of.

    "Congrats on your last post"

    (jk)

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @boernd said:
    Are the ads paid on a per view basis?

    No, it's a flat rate per spot per month. It's pretty affordable.

    Jon Biloh
  • jbiloh said: January 2020 I purchased Low End Talk and Low End Box from ColoCrossing/Deluxe.

    jbiloh said: June 2020 I sold Low End Talk and Low End Box to ColoCrossing/Deluxe.

    Having vendetta for almost 7 years, please don't cry.

  • MrHMrH Member

    No

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  • gksgks Member

    While my adblocker still on, I have blocked LEB website as whole due to my experience as victim to two providers. I would rather wait another year of time to ensure that quality of LEB hosts to improve. Good luck to you, I am sure LET is on right direction.

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  • ExonHostExonHost Member, Provider

    Is this offer still applicable? :expressionless:

    I got this email last January.

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    @ExonHost said:

    Is this offer still applicable? :expressionless:

    I got this email last January.

    So wait.

    LEB was posting that Chris' offers in the past few months, and didn't disclose it?

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  • leapswitchleapswitch Member, Provider

    I never had an adblocker, don't find LET ads intrusive either. Checked buysellads and there is a waiting list to advertise here. @jbiloh seems to be raking in the money 😃

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  • ExonHost said: I got this email last January.

    Always easy to misinterpret: to me, last Jan. is Jan. 2019 rather that this Jan. (2020).

    Long live LowEndInfo.com

  • bugrakocbugrakoc Member
    edited March 24

    @AlwaysSkint said:

    ExonHost said: I got this email last January.

    Always easy to misinterpret: to me, last Jan. is Jan. 2019 rather that this Jan. (2020).

    I'm pretty sure he meant this Jan, otherwise the screenshot would have stated 2019 explicitly (assuming the screenshot is recent).

    EDIT2: Upon employing my amazing detective skills, it is now evident that he meant January 2020, because 23.01.2019 was on a wednesday, not a thursday.

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator
    edited March 24

    leapswitch said: I never had an adblocker, don't find LET ads intrusive either. Checked buysellads and there is a waiting list to advertise here. @jbiloh seems to be raking in the money 😃

    I have been working to get more ads sold and talking to people. It has been helping. Thanks for not running an ad blocker.

    hzr said: I would whitelist if the borderline-malicious scripting is removed and only text/image based ads are served, directly. Without the aggressive cross site tracking attempts.

    Unfortunately on a high latency connection it's not so much the ads but the tracking scripts that are making thousands of connections repeatedly.

    The adroll/perfect audience/etc code that was still around from the prior era has all been removed.

    Francisco said: LEB was posting that Chris' offers in the past few months, and didn't disclose it?

    Posting on LEB has always been free. If you are a legitimate company, you are eligible to be posted on LEB, it's an open to everyone process (so long as the subject entity passes the more stringent newer scrutiny we are undertaking). As I've mentioned recently I am reviewing all submissions and making sure the entities getting posted are more reputable. I've reached out to dozens and dozens of hosts the past two months to ask for submissions and I've asked others to do the same to drum up more interest. Right now we are scheduled out to nearly the end of April so the efforts to attract a wider variety of hosts are working.

    Jon Biloh
  • ExonHostExonHost Member, Provider

    @AlwaysSkint said:

    ExonHost said: I got this email last January.

    Always easy to misinterpret: to me, last Jan. is Jan. 2019 rather that this Jan. (2020).

    It's Jan, 2020.

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    ExonHost said: It's Jan, 2020.

    If you would like to be featured just submit an offer at https://lowendbox.com/submit-an-offer/

    Jon Biloh
  • james50ajames50a Member
    edited March 24

    Basically the screenshot xeonhost posted just confirms that everything jbiloh has said is bullshit and a core relation still exists between collocrossing and lowendtalk. Re branding the scapegoat didnt fix squat

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator
    edited March 24

    @james50a said:
    Basically the screenshot xeonhost posted just confirms that everything jbiloh has said is bullshit and a core relation still exists between collocrossing and lowendtalk. Re branding the scapegoat didnt fix squat

    This is just not accurate.

    Any sales rep, and any company, is welcome to direct their hosting company clients to submitting offers on Low End Box. When hosting companies grow it's usually good for their datacenter partners.

    For the record, and to be clear, being a customer of ColoCrossing does not guarantee you a listing on Low End Box OR bumping to the front of the line. Any hosting company which buys from ColoCrossing will be held to the same scrutiny as anyone else.

    As I said previously I invite anyone to suggest to hosting companies to submit their offers to Low End Box. The more offers we have, from good, reputable companies, the better.

    Jon Biloh
  • @jbiloh said: For the record, and to be clear, being a customer of ColoCrossing does not guarantee you a listing on Low End Box OR bumping to the front of the line. Any hosting company which buys from ColoCrossing will be held to the same scrutiny as anyone else.

    But, with all due respect, for the record, and to be clear, this wasn't the case during a significant period of time in the not-so-distant past, correct?

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    angstrom said: But, with all due respect, for the record, and to be clear, this wasn't the case during a significant period of time in the not-so-distant past, correct?

    There is no question that in the past that if you were a client of ColoCrossing you were looked at more favorably to get posted on Low End Box. This is no longer the case.

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  • MechanicWebMechanicWeb Member, Provider

    We should all help the initiative @jbiloh is taking with LET.

    LET is now the only site where I have my ad blocker disabled.

    Considering how malicious third party ads can be, I do not trust ads. I would prefer if there was some alternatives and a system to buy ad posting ability.

    For example, an ability for providers to be able to post in the offers section, not some tiered membership like WHT. It will not change anything visibly, will not add any badge or anything, just enable the provider to post offers once in seven days.

    Providers who don't buy ads will still be able to post offers once in ten or 15 days, so that start up and smaller providers can still get some boost for their businesses.

    Tiered membership imposes a wrong impression that a higher tier member is more trustworthy than a lower tier member while in reality it just tells that a higher tier member bought the higher tier, nothing more.

    With all the scams going on in the hosting industry, this impression is bad, hence the ability to post offers, not 'memberships'.

    In addition, there could be an option to buy offers - to be able to post offers twice a week instead of sticky posts. Buying ads would not reflect anything on the provider's membership status.

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  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

    I would personally prefer first-party self hosted ads instead of BSA loading arbitrary javascript

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    MechanicWeb said: We should all help the initiative @jbiloh is taking with LET.

    LET is now the only site where I have my ad blocker disabled.

    Thank you, I appreciate that.

    MechanicWeb said: Providers who don't buy ads will still be able to post offers once in ten or 15 days, so that start up and smaller providers can still get some boost for their businesses.

    Tiered membership imposes a wrong impression that a higher tier member is more trustworthy than a lower tier member while in reality it just tells that a higher tier member bought the higher tier, nothing more.

    With all the scams going on in the hosting industry, this impression is bad, hence the ability to post offers, not 'memberships'.

    In addition, there could be an option to buy offers - to be able to post offers twice a week instead of sticky posts. Buying ads would not reflect anything on the provider's membership status.

    Interesting idea, I will think on this, thank you.

    hzr said: I would personally prefer first-party self hosted ads instead of BSA loading arbitrary javascript

    I'm with you... because BSA takes 25% commission on everything and that really adds up. Especially when we basically sell all of our own ads to the community via the "Advertise here" links.

    Jon Biloh
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  • seriesnseriesn Member, Provider
    edited March 25

    MechanicWeb said: to be able to post offers twice a week

    Nah man. This forum gets enough ad posts as it is. Last thing we want is, every second thread is an AD. Specially with the way Vanilla is with chat style thread with out categories, it would be annoying to browse.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    seriesn said: You got it man.

    Gracias Senor

    Jon Biloh
  • luissousaluissousa Member
    edited March 25

    @jbiloh said:

    luissousa said: I haven't used adblock for the past 2 years - I've just stopped visiting websites with intrusive ads. Regarding tracking, I'm currently testing firefox containers once again.

    Lets make LET great again!

    I suppose that means that you don't think our ads are intrusive. :)

    I never found them to be intrusive, I would even sometimes look there to see which offers were on, but I guess I'm not as sensitive as everyone else

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    luissousa said: I never found them to be intrusive, I would even sometimes look there to see which offers were on, but I guess I'm not as sensitive as everyone else

    Well, thanks for keeping your ad blocker off for our website. I really appreciate it.

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  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Provider

    @jbiloh keep up the good work, keep improving LET .... FYI never used adblocker

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