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Providers, would you pay 1€ / core / month min. 100€ for a modern KVM panel?
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Providers, would you pay 1€ / core / month min. 100€ for a modern KVM panel?

Would you pay 1€ / core / month (physical CPU cores in compute nodes), minimum 100€ / month for a modern KVM control panel and cloud billing solution?

I understand that this is out of the budget for some of the LET providers, so the default answer would be "no".

I am curious to know how many providers would say "yes".

And more importantly what is a main feature list that is achievable in the first releases, like:

  • is KVM support enough?
  • or you absolutely need support for containers, and which one (VZ7/LXD/LXC/etc.)
  • just local storage, what kind
  • or centralized storage as well, which one
  • which networking features are a must right from the start
  • any other must-have features
  • what issues with your current panel you want fixed

The nice-to-have feature list is obviously endless and a reliable software solution must be actively development and add features over the years, but what is the initial must-have feature list?

(The discussion is outside the OpenStack realm, I'm asking about a turn key solution that doesn't require you to install and manage OpenStack).

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  • So basically we need pay 100€/m for get price 1€?

    So how about if i'm only have one server with 4 cores? It's only 4€? Or i'm missing something?

    Vote KVM

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  • @LightBlade said:
    So basically we need pay 100€/m for get price 1€?

    So how about if i'm only have one server with 4 cores? It's only 4€? Or i'm missing something?

    Vote KVM

    The minimum monthly payment is 100€ and includes 100 cores (regardless if you have less).

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  • ViridWebViridWeb Member, Provider

    @fleio said:

    @LightBlade said:
    So basically we need pay 100€/m for get price 1€?

    So how about if i'm only have one server with 4 cores? It's only 4€? Or i'm missing something?

    Vote KVM

    The minimum monthly payment is 100€ and includes 100 cores (regardless if you have less).

    For us it's a good deal at that price as you are saying it's a KVM panel + billing

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  • I kinda remember you saying you're not gonna go along with the price nonsense of Solus tho...

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  • @MadRabbit said:
    I kinda remember you saying you're not gonna go along with the price nonsense of Solus tho...

    Check our pricing page. It's our current pricing which we've been having for a year or two. And the prices before that were higher, not lower. We lowered from 2.5€ / core to 1€ / core.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Provider
    edited February 26

    Sounds like good pricing. Show us your panel.

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  • MadRabbitMadRabbit Member
    edited February 26

    @fleio said:

    @MadRabbit said:
    I kinda remember you saying you're not gonna go along with the price nonsense of Solus tho...

    Check our pricing page. It's our current pricing which we've been having for a year or two. And the prices before that were higher, not lower. We lowered from 2.5€ / core to 1€ / core.

    Ah. My bad. But my honest opinion is companies to figure out a new pricing option. Per core makes no sense at all.

    Unless I got it all wrong and you are offering me that core for €1. If not then I have no clue who came up with a pricing structure that I should pay for each of my cores every month. Hey, I get it, you need to get paid for your work and all and nothing against that but yeah...just my opinion tho so no need to lynch me for it.

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  • IIRC, RamNode is using this.

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  • @HostSlick said:
    Sounds like good pricing. Show us your panel.

    Here's an online demo: https://fleio.com/demo

    Right now Fleio only supports OpenStack clouds. You need to install and manage OpenStack, before being able to use Fleio.

    I'm asking here about interest in Fleio if it would run as stand alone (without requiring providers to install and manage OpenStack).

  • ExonHostExonHost Member, Provider

    The price is good. We are interested for Felio+KVM+VZ7

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  • ViridWebViridWeb Member, Provider
    edited February 26

    We have no issue with the pricing

    These basic features we need

    1. Kvm management panel (Includes dns management, backup management)
    2. Billing
    3. Fraud protection mechanism

    Extras (If possible)

    1. Hourly billing
    2. Upgrade/downgrade basic features such as storage/extra volume, memory
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  • SpryServers_TabSpryServers_Tab Member, Provider

    I would pay for this, and I agree with @ViridWeb, plus:

    1. Advanced network management/VLAN tagging
    2. Support for local storage and multiple network storage types. (iSCSI, etc)

    Basically if you could make it similar to the new Solus.io for that 1/mo, that would almost surely guarantee you a load of business.

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  • AK_KWHAK_KWH Member, Provider

    we are happy to pay more than this but what we need is all solutions in one panel like @ViridWeb said

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  • IonSwitch_StanIonSwitch_Stan Member, Host Rep

    pm'd. tldr; I'd be interested.

  • HM-MichaelHM-Michael Member, Provider
    edited February 26

    I would drop the minimum to 10 cores, but overall I like this idea and I have no need for containers.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @HM-Michael said:
    I would drop the minimum to 10 cores, but overall I like this idea and I have no need for containers.

    They have to make it worth their time given the support overhead it's going to cause.

    A 10 core deal means they'll have every single host that's just starting up ordering it since it'll come in cheaper than SVM1.

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  • HM-MichaelHM-Michael Member, Provider

    @Francisco said:

    @HM-Michael said:
    I would drop the minimum to 10 cores, but overall I like this idea and I have no need for containers.

    They have to make it worth their time given the support overhead it's going to cause.

    A 10 core deal means they'll have every single host that's just starting up ordering it since it'll come in cheaper than SVM1.

    Francisco

    Yea good point, didn't think about it from that point of view.

  • @Francisco said:

    @HM-Michael said:
    I would drop the minimum to 10 cores, but overall I like this idea and I have no need for containers.

    They have to make it worth their time given the support overhead it's going to cause.

    A 10 core deal means they'll have every single host that's just starting up ordering it since it'll come in cheaper than SVM1.

    Francisco

    True. We're including support with the license cost.

    A production cloud infrastructure requires support on complex issues. And support (mainly) scales by adding man-power.

    And as you've probably notice from running your hosting business, support effort is higher on lower cost customers.

    Basically we don't want any possible customer because we just can't service every possible customer.

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  • edited February 26

    @fleio said:

    @Francisco said:

    @HM-Michael said:
    I would drop the minimum to 10 cores, but overall I like this idea and I have no need for containers.

    They have to make it worth their time given the support overhead it's going to cause.

    A 10 core deal means they'll have every single host that's just starting up ordering it since it'll come in cheaper than SVM1.

    Francisco

    True. We're including support with the license cost.

    A production cloud infrastructure requires support on complex issues. And support (mainly) scales by adding man-power.

    And as you've probably notice from running your hosting business, support effort is higher on lower cost customers.

    Basically we don't want any possible customer because we just can't service every possible customer.

    In the beginning, you want lower tier pricing (providing no/minimal support).
    They can be your beta tester, recommend features to you.
    As your product gains traction and matures, you go back to higher pricing. You can grandfather your initial supporter.
    Of course, you want to limit support to lower tier customer. But prepare to have good documentation.

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  • Usually about now @Francisco gives his standard speech about why VPS providers can't have nice things. It involves past panels that were created that people wouldn't pay pennies for and why people are still buying Solus.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @raindog308 said:
    Usually about now @Francisco gives his standard speech about why VPS providers can't have nice things. It involves past panels that were created that people wouldn't pay pennies for and why people are still buying Solus.

    Get off my lawn old man.

    Francisco

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  • @raindog308 said:
    Usually about now @Francisco gives his standard speech about why VPS providers can't have nice things. It involves past panels that were created that people wouldn't pay pennies for and why people are still buying Solus.

    I suspect @Francisco takes us seriously, which I appreciate. :)

    (though with moderate enthusiasm, born from all those come and go new-panel-wannabes from over the years)

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider
    edited February 26

    @raindog308 said:
    Usually about now @Francisco gives his standard speech about why VPS providers can't have nice things. It involves past panels that were created that people wouldn't pay pennies for and why people are still buying Solus.

    Pretty sure I am paying at least 2x more for SolusVM than the current Fleio pricing.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
    edited February 26

    @MikeA said:

    @raindog308 said:
    Usually about now @Francisco gives his standard speech about why VPS providers can't have nice things. It involves past panels that were created that people wouldn't pay pennies for and why people are still buying Solus.

    Pretty sure I am be paying at least 2x more for SolusVM than the current Fleio pricing.

    So your costs are...ryzen?

    I'll see myself out.

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  • jfracjfrac Member, Provider

    Fleio looks cool, but 100 minimum is a too much, maybe drop to 30 with limited/community support and 24 cores max? I'd setup a single blade for testing for that much, never really used openstack.

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    @jfrac said:
    Fleio looks cool, but 100 minimum is a too much, maybe drop to 30 with limited/community support and 24 cores max? I'd setup a single blade for testing for that much, never really used openstack.

    This is talking about a KVM version, not OpenStack.

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  • Yes, but with KVM+VZ7 support and possibly an easy migration route from Solus if possible.

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    @Host4Geeks said:
    Yes, but with KVM+VZ7 support and possibly an easy migration route from Solus if possible.

    I don't think he would want to do it for the cost.

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  • TejyTejy Member

    Hello,
    Did you've started to develop a KVM panel?
    Any ETA for a beta version? :)
    Let me know it,

  • haryhary Member

    1€ / core / month minimum €10-€20 - KVM, Local and Centralized Storage, vlan tagging, ipv4 public and private, ipv6, hourly billing. i'm in :D

  • tetahosttetahost Member, Provider

    It will be nice to have another competitor on the market beside Solus and VMmanager (modern panels). Did you start development?

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  • fleiofleio Member

    Hey,

    For now we're focusing on OpenStack, deploying Fleio with Docker and migrating frontend from AngularJS to Angular.

    Thanks for your feedback. We'll see what we decide in the following months.

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  • 0x650x65 Member

    Do you have a document for deploying Openstack with your environment properly? Also do you prefer all in one deployment or distributed (compute, storage network etc.)?

  • fleiofleio Member
    edited May 15

    @0x65 said:
    Do you have a document for deploying Openstack with your environment properly? Also do you prefer all in one deployment or distributed (compute, storage network etc.)?

    About any OpenStack Fleio deployment would work with Fleio.
    Many of our users deploy with OpenStack-Ansible.

    Both all-in-one installation and installing OpenStack services on different machines would work.

    Fleio requirements: https://fleio.com/docs/installing/requirements.html

    Once OpenStack is installed you need to enable notifications and perform some Ceilometer and Gnocchi configurations:

  • jackbjackb Member, Provider

    @fleio said:
    Hey,

    For now we're focusing on OpenStack, deploying Fleio with Docker and migrating frontend from AngularJS to Angular.

    Thanks for your feedback. We'll see what we decide in the following months.

    The solus market share is ripe for the taking if you add KVM support once you're done with those things.

    The 100 core minimum, 1eur/core/m pricing seems reasonable to me.

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  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider

    @jackb we're already aiming for that :)

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  • jackbjackb Member, Provider

    @BharatB said:
    @jackb we're already aiming for that :)

    Are you working with @fleio?

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  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider

    @jackb said:

    @BharatB said:
    @jackb we're already aiming for that :)

    Are you working with @fleio?

    Nope :) https://hypervisor.io/

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  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Provider

    not even a slightest chance we would be willing to pay 1€ core / 100€ per server minimum per month. Not even slightest -- unless it comes with the hardware included to our spec. Does it include a 6000€+ server to go?

  • @PulsedMedia said:
    not even a slightest chance we would be willing to pay 1€ core / 100€ per server minimum per month. Not even slightest -- unless it comes with the hardware included to our spec. Does it include a 6000€+ server to go?

    Isn't this cheaper than Solus?

  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Provider

    kuroneko23 said:

    Isn't this cheaper than Solus?

    We don't use solus. Idk what they charge these days. 100€ minimum per server is outrageously high, there's no way around that.

  • ViridWebViridWeb Member, Provider
    edited May 15

    @PulsedMedia said:
    not even a slightest chance we would be willing to pay 1€ core / 100€ per server minimum per month. Not even slightest -- unless it comes with the hardware included to our spec. Does it include a 6000€+ server to go?

    It's not bad either.
    Maybe not for lowend but at least better pricing than new solus

    @PulsedMedia said:

    kuroneko23 said:

    Isn't this cheaper than Solus?

    We don't use solus. Idk what they charge these days. 100€ minimum per server is outrageously high, there's no way around that.

    Maybe its not for newcomers but for established hosts it's a good deal as we/they have bulk servers.

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  • fleiofleio Member
    edited May 15

    @PulsedMedia said:
    not even a slightest chance we would be willing to pay 1€ core / 100€ per server minimum per month. Not even slightest -- unless it comes with the hardware included to our spec. Does it include a 6000€+ server to go?

    It's not 100€ minimum per server.

    It is 100€ minimum per cloud per month.

    We don't count servers. We only count physical CPU cores on ALL compute nodes.

    You can distribute those 100 cores any way you see fit.
    100 cores can be 25 servers each with 4 cores or 5 servers each with 20 cores.

    Other cloud resources are also not counted for licensing: block storage, image storage (snapshots, backups etc.), OpenStack networks and routers, Swift object storage, Kubernetes clusters.

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  • WSCallumWSCallum Member, Provider

    @PulsedMedia said:

    kuroneko23 said:

    Isn't this cheaper than Solus?

    We don't use solus. Idk what they charge these days. 100€ minimum per server is outrageously high, there's no way around that.

    It's not minimum per server, thats the minimum amount of cores you have to purchase, there's no server limit with the license - You could setup 10 servers with 10 cores each, for example.

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  • ViridWebViridWeb Member, Provider

    @WSCallum said:

    @PulsedMedia said:

    kuroneko23 said:

    Isn't this cheaper than Solus?

    We don't use solus. Idk what they charge these days. 100€ minimum per server is outrageously high, there's no way around that.

    It's not minimum per server, thats the minimum amount of cores you have to purchase, there's no server limit with the license - You could setup 10 servers with 10 cores each, for example.

    Yes it's a good deal for long run

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  • RIYADRIYAD Member, Provider

    Looks very promising .

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  • doghouchdoghouch Member

    @RIYAD said:

    Looks very promising .

    (literally plugs in his own panel on a competing panel’s thread)

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  • vivithemagevivithemage Member
    edited May 15

    If you do this, part of the service that would be nice is if you maintained updated KVM images. To include Windows.

    Question, does it include a WHMCS plug in, or would your billing software need to be used?
    Do you have multiple VLANs that work across multiple hosts via trunk ports? This is one of my bigger gripes with Solus.

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  • fleiofleio Member

    We have an open source WHMCS plugin: https://github.com/fleio/fleio-whmcs

    The OpenStack Neutron project includes VLAN management.

  • someshzsomeshz Member, Provider

    @fleio said:
    We have an open source WHMCS plugin: https://github.com/fleio/fleio-whmcs

    The OpenStack Neutron project includes VLAN management.

    You should introduce 20 - 50 core license as well.

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