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What to do about this customer?

GuineaGuinea Member
edited February 2020 in General

Hey, so a while ago I started my hosting reseller company up again, it’s going pretty well, got about 6 paying customers currently. Anyways, a few days ago a customer signed up (web hosting), and yesterday I get an automated email from the DirectAdmin panel telling me they had sent 200+ emails in one day.. So I go look at their usage stats really quick, and I see 1844 emails! What should I do about this? I am obviously going to email them, I highly doubt their service was compromised since it was only recently activated.

I mean, should I just go and terminate them? Only thing is, I really don’t want to them leave a bad review anywhere, as that would completely ruin my business for the future.

Comments

  • What is the problem for you?

  • GuineaGuinea Member
    edited February 2020

    @greattomeetyou said:
    What is the problem for you?

    Well, I obviously don’t want the IP that is shared among all the clients (and my site as well) to be email blacklisted.

  • edited February 2020

    @Guinea said:

    @greattomeetyou said:
    What is the problem for you?

    Well, I obviously don’t want the IP that is shared among all the clients to be email blacklisted.

    Explain that to your customer.
    Define reasonable usage? Add restriction(s) in your Terms and Conditions.

    Thanked by 1Guinea
  • GuineaGuinea Member
    edited February 2020

    @greattomeetyou said:

    @Guinea said:

    @greattomeetyou said:
    What is the problem for you?

    Well, I obviously don’t want the IP that is shared among all the clients to be email blacklisted.

    Explain that to your customer.
    Define reasonable usage? Add restriction(s) in your Terms and Conditions.

    Yeah, I’ll definitely add something to the TOS and email them soon, thanks for the advice.

  • ViridWebViridWeb Member, Host Rep
    1. Send abuse notice to the customer (You can use it as proof in case the customer open a chargeback)
    2. Suspend his account until he solve the issue
    3. Configure the panel and set maximum number of email a user can send within an hour/day (Don't know if you that privilege or not)
    4. Terminate the customer if he do not stop spamming
    Thanked by 1Guinea
  • The fact that the customer sent 200 emails or 1844 emails means nothing, what sort of emails were these? There are legitimate scenarios which would explain these volumes of emails.

    Thanked by 1Guinea
  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider

    If it's Spammer, put him behind a barn and shoot him

    Thanked by 1AlwaysSkint
  • Put an per-email pricing for him/her. Like €10/email.

  • @Guinea said:

    @greattomeetyou said:

    @Guinea said:

    @greattomeetyou said:
    What is the problem for you?

    Well, I obviously don’t want the IP that is shared among all the clients to be email blacklisted.

    Explain that to your customer.
    Define reasonable usage? Add restriction(s) in your Terms and Conditions.

    Yeah, I’ll definitely add something to the TOS and email them soon, thanks for the advice.

    Set the limit to be (say) 500 emails a day, with the possibility of raising that limit if justified.

    Thanked by 1Guinea
  • Guinea said: got about 6 paying customers currently

    poor guys. you obviously have no clue what you are doing, yet people rely on you and will end up taking collateral damage...

    the cause for that amount of mails can be as simple as failing cronjobs sending a notification each time to the very same guy (e.g. per minute).
    or intentionally sending spam mails to over a thousand recipients...

    angstrom said: Set the limit to be (say) 500 emails a day, with the possibility of raising that limit if justified.

    don't think that really would help in either case, 500 spam mails daily will hurt about as much 2k at least for the IPs reputation and a high amount of notifications can be perfectly fine but blocks the client from other legitimate mail ;-)

    Guinea said: and email them soon

    "soon" is too late. now. simple.

    and check the damn log to narrow down on the pattern. timely, senders, recipients etc.

  • My honest advice here is to refund all 6 of your clients and release them so they can find a competent provider moving forward.

  • Welp, while I wasn't asking for criticism, I certainly got some, anyways.. no more emails have been sent as of currently, and the client has been emailed. Will go forward from here.

  • bacloudbacloud Member, Patron Provider

    @Guinea said:
    Will go forward from here.

    Don't let them to win :) We like drammas

  • GuineaGuinea Member
    edited February 2020

    @bacloud said:

    @Guinea said:
    Will go forward from here.

    Don't let them to win :) We like drammas

    Oh, I wont, if I see any more emails, that's it for them. (And yes, I am still able to send emails to my personal gmail just fine, so nothing has been blocked apparently, I'll still check my IP to see if its on any blacklists though.)

  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Patron Provider

    Spammers will typically send that number of emails in matter of minutes, not a day ....

  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Patron Provider

    Just set max number of emails per hour/day for each customer/domain and also do you sell reseller accounts or you have a reseller account ?

    If it's your server you should probably check the mailque and check mail content/headers of mails that are still in mailque it should help you figure out if it's a spammer or a legit user

  • LeeLee Veteran

    Guinea said: I really don’t want to them leave a bad review anywhere, as that would completely ruin my business for the future.

    If you can't get past this fear you won't get very far.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    The end is nigh.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited February 2020

    Grep the logs to find out the email subjects and recipients. Are they sending themselves a bunch of notification emails, for example? Are they sending a newsletter? Is there a high bounce rate?

    https://www.liquidweb.com/kb/how-to-read-an-exim-maillog/
    https://www.liquidweb.com/kb/digging-into-exim-mail-logs-with-exigrep/

    Not much difference between cPanel, which these were written for, and DA. Ex. /var/log/exim_mainlog is instead /var/log/exim/mainlog.

    If they sent 1800 emails from one shared IP to Gmail in a day, for example, no matter what the reason the rest of your customers may be unable to email users at Gmail for hours. Rate limiting hurts.

    Thanked by 1Guinea
  • GuineaGuinea Member
    edited February 2020

    @HostEONS said:
    Just set max number of emails per hour/day for each customer/domain and also do you sell reseller accounts or you have a reseller account ?

    If it's your server you should probably check the mailque and check mail content/headers of mails that are still in mailque it should help you figure out if it's a spammer or a legit user

    This is a reseller account, so I don't have direct access to the server. No reply to my email I sent this morning, but no more emails sent either.

    Edit: turns out the limit was somehow set to 1000 somewhere else, thought it was 200, only thing is, I cant actually change the limit because of a permission my reseller account doesn't have..

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