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What do you want to see on LEB?

jbilohjbiloh Administrator
edited February 17 in General

Hi everyone,

Just a quick and simple question...

In 2020, what sort of content do you want to see on Low End Box? What would be most interesting to you? What would give you a reason to want to check the website more frequently?

Looking forward to any and all feedback. Don't hold back.

Thanks for taking the time.

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  • angstromangstrom Member
    edited February 1

    @jbiloh

    I don't think that you fathom just how bad a reputation LEB has nowadays. This was a real achievement on the part of CC. Congrats.

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  • FalzoFalzo Member
    edited February 1
    • cheap reliable offers.
    • from different upstream providers and locations.
    • less self advertising (partners and resellers).
    • honor the idea of LOW END aka spare on the expensive uniteresting shit.

    jbiloh said: Looking forward to any and all feedback. Don't hold back.

    have you ever heard of customer centric inbound marketing?

    requests like you do here are a perfect start for that... if you really consider and follow the feedback!
    if it's just pretending simply spare the effort. your investors or shareholders want to see reliable recurring revenue and not short term sale pushing with unsustainable crap.

    you can wiggle only so much, at some point you'll realize that people will eventually vote with their wallet and you only get the unreliable abusive leftovers of the market.
    I mean it's your business model - you're fine with a high churn because you have everything automated and a high budget on CAC? so be it. I still doubt, that this is going to be a model worth your while.

    I understand that your main interest isn't selling directly but providing an attractive platform for your partners to sell on. maybe think about proper collateral and teaching apropriate sales and marketing models to them, instead of continue letting them run into the same wrong approach over and over again...

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  • tetechtetech Member
    edited February 1

    I find it to be a very useful directory of hosts that I should avoid, so please continue providing that service and don't change anything. Thank you.

  • How about no more posts that are over the self-imposed offer limits on LEB?

    Ever since black friday 2019, these posts have been over the limits:

    https://lowendbox.com/blog/prequent-hosting-reseller-and-master-reseller-plans-starting-at-10-a-month/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/vpslot-50-off-coupon-code-for-life-on-kvm-plans/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/rootcrate-limited-stock-on-dedicated-server-offer-50-off-pricing-for-2-months/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/windowsvps-host-vps-plans-starting-at-5-50-and-windows-vps-reseller-plans/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/desivps-kvm-vps-windows-vps-and-vps-resource-pools-plus-a-special-offer-for-leb-readers/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/zetservers-unmetered-vps-plans-out-of-romania-datacenter-location-starting-at-e5-mo/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/frequent-networks-vps-plans-from-mini-to-large-size-starting-at-5-mo/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/hostserv-kvm-vps-offers-starting-at-e3-month/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/autovm-vps-vds-game-vps-various-locations-and-30-discount/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/serveria-cloud-vps-hosting-dedicated-servers-and-more-offers-starting-at-1-99-mo/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/desivps-kvm-vps-offers-and-now-available-vps-resource-pools/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/alexhost-1-5gb-vps-for-4e-month-or-11-88e-year-and-more/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/full-vps-server-kvm-vps-plans-with-coupon-codes-for-leb-readers/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/hyper-expert-new-pure-nvme-plans-cached-ssd-and-pure-ssd-out-of-brand-new-location/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/steadyvps-specials-for-leb-on-kvm-plans-starting-at-5-a-month/
    https://lowendbox.com/blog/hudsonvalleyhost-4-99-mo-4gb-openvz-linux-vps-normally-20-mo-40-off-select-items-and-more-for-cyber-monday/

    Especially note the final one, that one is from HudsonValleyHost, your own in-house brand.

    I have told this to both Chris and Nick on discord on multiple occasions, over the span of multiple months, via a PM. No change was made.

    I have no expectations for any changes, especially seeing how LEB "changed" the last time "changes were coming". The only thing that happened then was MORE pushing of the shitty brands, which eventually all died in one big fireball of an explosion in december last year.

    As said above by @tetech, LEB is currently only interesting as a directory of hosts to AVOID, rather than a useful site to find your next vps on.

    I like my uptime down low and my servers all hacked. Can see me droppin' twenty-fours with a router in the rack.
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  • teamaccteamacc Member
    edited February 1

    To further make a point, this post by @cvps_chris back in June last year states the following:

    @CVPS_Chris said:
    I have taken on the task to ... help guide the community back in the right direction ... This will take a lot of work not only from ColoCrossing...

    Last active: July 2019.

    ... key members of the ColoCrossing team have been hands off of LEB/LET during the acquisition, and it is my number one priority to get the hosting offers back on track offering a wide variety of providers from all over the world and networks and not just ColoCrossing...

    LEB then went on to have basically ONLY ColoCrossing-based offers, up until the big boom.

    LEB has rules for a reason, and following those rules are very important. We will no longer post offers from hosts that do not meet the criteria.

    See my previous post.

    I will work with the moderators ...

    The support desk has been broken since well before November 2019 (maybe @raindog308 can give a more exact timeline here)

    to come up and revamp the rules on LET regarding these items.

    The only rulechange since then has been to explicity dis-allow "stress testing" of hosts.

    I am sure as I jump into this...

    Last active: July 2019.

    more problems will be seen

    Support desk.

    and more changes will be made.

    Rulechange

    I do ask that you give us ( ColoCrossing and its team) time to make these changes.

    It's been about 9 months. How much longer?

    Please keep an eye out for polls so we can get the community to vote on some items in the near future.

    Last active: July 2019.

    If you have any questions please PM me, I would be happy to answer them. For those of you that got this far, congrats!

    Has not replied to my "these LEB posts are over LEB limits PMs on discord, while he has been online there.

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  • Did ownership of LET and/or LEB recently transfer directly to @jbiloh?

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  • @uptime said:
    Did ownership of LET and/or LEB recently transfer directly to @jbiloh?

    Remember - if we're asking the question we already know the answer..

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  • No LEB. Only LET.

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  • LeeLee Member
    edited February 1

    Why is anyone even wasting any time responding to him, he is a snake, there is always a reason he posts and it is not because he wants to know anyones opinion.

    Something is changing on LEB and he is going to try and make it look like he asked the community first.

  • Make a nice big list of new offers as a sidebar followed by a list of recently advertised Deadpooled colocrossing brands.

  • t0ny0t0ny0 Member
    edited February 1

    Honestly by now - it feels like you are just straight up trolling.

    Either do something about the scams there or don't, thats entirely up to you, but stop trolling on here, saying that changes are coming. We know better than that by now.

    And to quote boss man @teamacc :
    Last active: July 2019.

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  • @uptime said:
    Did ownership of LET and/or LEB recently transfer directly to @jbiloh?

    LET/LEB has always been under the direction of jbiloh since the properties were sold to CC many years ago. So while we can blast Chris for failing miserably to bring any positive change to LEB, he was ultimately doing it as per Jon's instruction. Thus, a "changes are coming" from Jon doesn't have any more merit than if Chris said it again for the 100th time.

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  • UmutUmut Member

    I want to see more non-ColoCrossing offers.

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  • This thread is worthless spam like the nine million others started by the CC team. Everytime I see one of these I want to vomit in a CC desk and drop the kids off at the pool in their urinals.

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  • LEB has a credibility problem. Unless there was a "meet and greet" with community representative or owners that people will continue to think they are scam operation, owned by the same scum as last scam. Owners who come to LET and build a reputation with daily presence can build some trust and goodwill and have a chance to make something that will last.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for the feedback, this is a really helpful start. Later tonight I will do a quote question/answer to everything I see here to fill folks in and offer some details.

    Give me a couple hours to put that together.

    Jon Biloh
  • @jbiloh said:
    Later tonight I will do a quote question/answer to everything I see here to fill folks in and offer some details.

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  • Actually answer to everything and not just what you like ?

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator
    edited February 2

    vyas11 said: A notice that LEB is being shut down and a redirect to LET would be good. Thank you.

    I'm going to work hard to see LEB and LET are around for a long time.

    dahartigan said: More scams.

    I don't want anything like that.

    angstrom said: I don't think that you fathom just how bad a reputation LEB has nowadays. This was a real achievement on the part of CC. Congrats.

    There have definitely been some black eyes that have happened the last couple years. I'm going to change that moving forward.

    Falzo said: requests like you do here are a perfect start for that... if you really consider and follow the feedback! if it's just pretending simply spare the effort. your investors or shareholders want to see reliable recurring revenue and not short term sale pushing with unsustainable crap.

    Quality feedback is critically important, I agree. There are no investors, shareholders, or anyone else involved at this point. As the moderators already know, a couple weeks ago I acquired Low End Box and Low End Talk from Deluxe. This marks the first time in many, many years that LEB and LET are not owned by a company in the hosting industry. For example, I've already eliminated most of the ads on LET and the same will be done with LEB over the next week or so after I am done moving the websites to their new server platform.

    Falzo said: I understand that your main interest isn't selling directly but providing an attractive platform for your partners to sell on.

    Today my main focus on the community. In the past it was a mix between commercial and the community (I was never the Darth Vader some made me out to be!).

    tetech said: I find it to be a very useful directory of hosts that I should avoid, so please continue providing that service and don't change anything. Thank you.

    Thank you for being part of our community. I appreciate you!

    teamacc said: To further make a point, this post by @cvps_chris back in June last year states the following:

    Chris had good intentions here but was limited based on resources and being limited in his purview. He stays very busy working at Deluxe.

    teamacc said: LEB then went on to have basically ONLY ColoCrossing-based offers, up until the big boom.

    This was not good and that will not happen in the future.

    teamacc said: The support desk has been broken since well before November 2019 (maybe @raindog308 can give a more exact timeline here)

    This is getting fixed as soon as LEB and LET are moved to their new hosting platform. The work has been going on the past two weeks (banners going away, new cloud platforms being installed and prepared, etc).

    teamacc said: It's been about 9 months. How much longer?

    A couple more weeks. Change is coming.

    teamacc said: Has not replied to my "these LEB posts are over LEB limits PMs on discord, while he has been online there.

    Chris will still be around but you can always message me directly or send me an email. I also plan to idle on Discord though I am not on my desktop as much lately so responses may be delayed.

    uptime said: Did ownership of LET and/or LEB recently transfer directly to @jbiloh?

    Yes.

    dahartigan said: Remember - if we're asking the question we already know the answer..

    The mods were notified a few days ago. Other clues were changes to the footers, removal of references to Deluxe (still a work in progress), removal of banner ads, etc.

    Lee said: Why is anyone even wasting any time responding to him, he is a snake, there is always a reason he posts and it is not because he wants to know anyones opinion.

    I'm sorry you feel that way. Hopefully your mind changes soon.

    MasonR said: LET/LEB has always been under the direction of jbiloh since the properties were sold to CC many years ago. So while we can blast Chris for failing miserably to bring any positive change to LEB, he was ultimately doing it as per Jon's instruction. Thus, a "changes are coming" from Jon doesn't have any more merit than if Chris said it again for the 100th time.

    In the period before ColoCrossing was sold to Deluxe you are correct. For the past two years I have not been in full control of LEB or LET.

    Umut said: I want to see more non-ColoCrossing offers.

    This is already happening. Offers are now picked with zero consideration for datacenter providers.

    AuroraZ said: This thread is worthless spam like the nine million others started by the CC team. Everytime I see one of these I want to vomit in a CC desk and drop the kids off at the pool in their urinals.

    I understand being skeptical, though this time it a bit different.

    TimboJones said: LEB has a credibility problem. Unless there was a "meet and greet" with community representative or owners that people will continue to think they are scam operation, owned by the same scum as last scam. Owners who come to LET and build a reputation with daily presence can build some trust and goodwill and have a chance to make something that will last.

    I agree that there is a credibility problem. We are going to be diligent in fixing that.

    ben47955 said: Actually answer to everything and not just what you like ?

    I believe I touched on everything. Let me know if something got missed.

    Congrats to anyone who managed to read everything above.

    The short version to the long story is that I now own LEB and LET. For the first time in many years LEB and LET are now owned by someone with no ownership connection to a hosting company. Things are going to change for the better. Some of that change has already begun.

    Some of the areas of focus moving forward will be driven by your continued feedback.

    Meanwhile we are going to fix things like:

    1. The broken email on LET
    2. The broken support desk
    3. Concentration of offers on LEB to being more all encompassing
    4. A more welcoming community
    5. Less ads (a bunch are already gone)
    6. Fixed social media integrations
    7. More interesting content on LEB
    8. More based on your feedback.

    Thanks for your contributions to this post so far folks. I appreciate it.

    Jon Biloh
  • seriesnseriesn Member, Top Provider

    @jbiloh all the best. If your intentions are as good as you are making it, many of us will be here to help.

    However, please do understand, this community has been burned multiple time in the past. Granted, we will be skeptical.

    If I speak on behalf of many, can you please give an honest statement to the recent DeadPool/Shell Company incident that happens recently? Your honest answer is the only thing that would make us trust you and LEB again. And by honest, I mean a non corporate, real answer, From John.

  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @jbiloh,

    Full transparency from now on would be a good start, like you did above. However, the "we" term isn't transparent at all.
    Who is the team now, who does what, etc.

    The changes you need to do don't take that long as well.

  • @jbiloh Look man I have been in this business a long, long time. I have seen companies and people come and go, and most of them spew the same rhetoric.

    The only way I believe people any more is by their actions. Since CC, under your management, took this place over it has become nothing but a shit show. You have said the same rhetoric all the others have, and never even tried to make this into the place it could have been.

    So many talented people have been here and left because of what your company has done. All the lies and deceit have made LEB and LET into the laughing stock of the internet. This will not be easily fixed nor will it come tomorrow. It can be done, but **YOU **will have to put in the work to do it.

    I am not sure the damage can be fixed at this point, you have let so many scam and out right thefts go on under the nose of these sites that I hardly buy from here anymore. I would not touch a LEB host if I had to shut down all my sites and pack it in.

    You not only need to clean this mess up, but your personal rep is also shit. You MAY **and I stress **MAY own these sites now personally, but I will believe what you say when there is more then words being done. I say **MAY **because, at this point, I do not believe a word you say about anything.

    Until the actions are done and I see any type of improvement, all you have is your rep and words. Those are worth nothing to me and many around here I am sure. I will not get any hopes of things getting better, until I can see them. Token gestures do not count for anything, if you are serious and want to make this property better, then do the damned work and get it done.

    Catch me over at Primary DNS. If you want to chat I am done with this cesspool.

  • @MikePT said:
    @jbiloh,

    Full transparency from now on would be a good start, like you did above. However, the "we" term isn't transparent at all.
    Who is the team now, who does what, etc.

    The changes you need to do don't take that long as well.

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    MikePT said: Full transparency from now on would be a good start, like you did above. However, the "we" term isn't transparent at all.

    Me, a content writer who has been writing up the offers and a buddy who is helping on the technical side.

    MikePT said: The changes you need to do don't take that long as well.

    I am going to give it a good effort.

    AuroraZ said: Look man I have been in this business a long, long time. I have seen companies and people come and go, and most of them spew the same rhetoric.

    We have this in common. Amazingly it's been nearly 20 years since I started my first web hosting company.

    AuroraZ said: I am not sure the damage can be fixed at this point, you have let so many scam and out right thefts go on under the nose of these sites that I hardly buy from here anymore. I would not touch a LEB host if I had to shut down all my sites and pack it in.

    Consistency and effort will make a difference over time I feel.

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  • IonSwitch_StanIonSwitch_Stan Member, Host Rep

    Me, a content writer who has been writing up the offers

    A place to start might be reading the offers that are posted. I commented the other day that one recently stated a providers whois was public, when it was very much not, the comment was approved, but the inaccurate offer exists.

  • @IonSwitch_Stan said:

    Me, a content writer who has been writing up the offers

    A place to start might be reading the offers that are posted. I commented the other day that one recently stated a providers whois was public, when it was very much not, the comment was approved, but the inaccurate offer exists.

    A cleanup of old offers breaking LEB rules maybe?

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  • Sigh.

    Another offer posted today (!!) that is over LEB limits.

    https://lowendbox.com/blog/illyhosting-kvm-offers-premium-performance-with-prices-starting-at-e4-95-month/

    Please.

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  • @teamacc said:
    Sigh.

    Another offer posted today (!!) that is over LEB limits.

    https://lowendbox.com/blog/illyhosting-kvm-offers-premium-performance-with-prices-starting-at-e4-95-month/

    Please.

    Should send this thread to Deluxe fraud check division

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    What's LEB?

  • @jbiloh kudos for the explanations, I hope you can turn things around. It'll be a challenge to get public perception of LEB to improve but you're probably one of the few people with the skills to do so.

    Did you hear that @teamacc? Change is coming (again, this time...)

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  • FalzoFalzo Member
    edited February 2

    jbiloh said: moving forward.

    Falzo said: requests like you do here are a perfect start for that... if you really consider and follow the feedback! if it's just pretending simply spare the effort. your investors or shareholders want to see reliable recurring revenue and not short term sale pushing with unsustainable crap.

    Quality feedback is critically important, I agree. There are no investors, shareholders, or anyone else involved at this point. As the moderators already know, a couple weeks ago I acquired Low End Box and Low End Talk from Deluxe. This marks the first time in many, many years that LEB and LET are not owned by a company in the hosting industry. For example, I've already eliminated most of the ads on LET and the same will be done with LEB over the next week or so after I am done moving the websites to their new server platform.

    I see. I wasn't aware that this was somehow split. may I ask of your current connection to Deluxe or CC then? sorry, if this has been mentioned somewhere already, but I have been quite busy and not followed all threads in all boards regardings this ;-)

    Falzo said: I understand that your main interest isn't selling directly but providing an attractive platform for your partners to sell on.

    Today my main focus on the community. In the past it was a mix between commercial and the community (I was never the Darth Vader some made me out to be!).

    okay. thanks for clarifying. I guess it's up to you then, what you want to achieve with both places. using it as a platform for helping and promoting indirect sales would still be a reasonable goal, if communicated properly.
    also personally earning some money with ads, affilliates whatever could also be a valid intention. so far not neccessarily any kind of dark side for me to be honest.
    from my point of view both can be done while respecting the community and even get benefits from it - though I'd expect you to really try and take on an honest and somewhat neutral position.

    however if you really decide to run it just and only for the fun and people, I think you'll have to focus 100% on their wishes for quite some time to gain back some trust, which you probably lost more or less completely.
    I get that this might hurt and will be difficult though, but I think it's the only way. maybe for that you would even need to rest any activities that show connections to the old owners for quite a while... gain a healthy distance between You (and LET/LEB as part of that) and CC/Deluxe as quickly as possible.

    TL;DR; actions speak louder than words.

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  • LeeLee Member

    Lee said: Something is changing on LEB and he is going to try and make it look like he asked the community first.

    Yup, you are correct.

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  • jsgjsg Member

    @jbiloh

    • I'm sorry, I really am, but I don't believe anything you say.
    • The worst and most grave problems of all isn't this or that related to LEB or LET but the fact that you/CC/Deluxe have lost any and every trust.
    • Due to absolutely no trust communication between you and us is a very very narrow road (if possible at all).

    ==> Show us something, some real and tangible progress!

    That and that alone can create a basis for meaningful communication - without which improving LET as well as the relationship between you and us is impossible.

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  • servarica_haniservarica_hani Member, Provider

    OK I usually dont write much but I think this post will be helpful

    Now since the owner ship is moved to you (individual) we need to be clear and transparent on few things

    1- What is your revenue model from LEB and LET ?
    As someone who own the site and putting effort on it , you expected and accepted to generate revenue from this
    Being clear on this from day one will make life much easier for you and many of the users here will be actually on your side

    So is the revenue model
    a) through the ad banners on both sides ?
    b)or you plan to offer advertisement posts in LEB ? and if yes how much is the persantage of the total posts on LEB ?
    c) Are you planning to make some posts pinned for money on LEB like WHT (so all content is fee but if somoen whant their post to be on first page or first post they have to pay ? ) . and if you do this what are the limits of pinning

    2- The other important question how and who decide what is posted on LEB ?
    having very clear guidance here and transparency will make it easier for you and client will appreciate it more

    One suggestion i have is to have a set of users of here as community that decide what is posted on LEB , those users are known and they get voted every 6 month or 1 year

    This way you have zero blame for what is being posted on LEB and since this is community based site you let the community decide which for sure will be better than single person deciding

    3- reporting
    reporting every 3 months or so to show the users that the sites follow their own rules and explain why some choices are made is the best way to get the confidence back

    Thanks

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  • PHDanPHDan Member

    NinjaNOC said: I wonder Jon... Does your mother share your business ethics for her daycare outfit? Because, if yes, then it might be time to inform her customers. Social media and all that, you know... Could become ugly.

    Fuck you!

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    IonSwitch_Stan said: A place to start might be reading the offers that are posted. I commented the other day that one recently stated a providers whois was public, when it was very much not, the comment was approved, but the inaccurate offer exists.

    I see a few that are not following pricing rules. I am going to talk this over with the content writer so she's aware of the limits so we can avoid that in the future. In the meantime please link me to the one that violating the rules and I will fix it.

    teamacc said: A cleanup of old offers breaking LEB rules maybe?

    Yes, agreed.

    teamacc said: Another offer posted today (!!) that is over LEB limits.

    Going to get this fixed.

    dahartigan said: @jbiloh kudos for the explanations, I hope you can turn things around. It'll be a challenge to get public perception of LEB to improve but you're probably one of the few people with the skills to do so.

    Thank you, I appreciate the nice words.

    Falzo said: I see. I wasn't aware that this was somehow split. may I ask of your current connection to Deluxe or CC then? sorry, if this has been mentioned somewhere already, but I have been quite busy and not followed all threads in all boards regardings this ;-)

    I like the people at Deluxe and care about the employees and customers at ColoCrossing deeply. I am a consultant who advises on things to help where I can.

    Falzo said: okay. thanks for clarifying. I guess it's up to you then, what you want to achieve with both places. using it as a platform for helping and promoting indirect sales would still be a reasonable goal, if communicated properly. also personally earning some money with ads, affilliates whatever could also be a valid intention. so far not neccessarily any kind of dark side for me to be honest.

    I would like the website to make some money. Right now my focus is on removing most of the ads so that the ones that are left are sure to create very strong value for the advertisers. Based on my review once all of that is done the websites should break even. Eventually I'd like to see that increase, because everyone wants to make a few bucks for their effort, but I am taking a long term approach here.

    NinjaNOC said: I wonder Jon... Does your mother share your business ethics for her daycare outfit? Because, if yes, then it might be time to inform her customers. Social media and all that, you know... Could become ugly.

    Well that's not very nice.

    jsg said: ==> Show us something, some real and tangible progress!

    Progress has already started happening my friend.

    servarica_hani said: 1- What is your revenue model from LEB and LET ?

    As per above, right now the revenue model is have less of it, hah. I want to grow traffic and eventually will examine how the website can become more financially viable because right now it isn't.

    servarica_hani said: 3- reporting. reporting every 3 months or so to show the users that the sites follow their own rules and explain why some choices are made is the best way to get the confidence back

    I like this idea. Will see about the time resources needed to do this.

    servarica_hani said: c) Are you planning to make some posts pinned for money on LEB like WHT (so all content is fee but if somoen whant their post to be on first page or first post they have to pay ? ) . and if you do this what are the limits of pinning

    No

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  • Does this mean CC will stop sponsoring provider ?

  • IonSwitch_StanIonSwitch_Stan Member, Host Rep

    @jbiloh can we expect some level of accountability and screening for LEB and LET providers in the future?

    We have quickly let Black Friday slide - where (40?) providers were shilled by LEB with email campaigns and spam that many of us did not sign up for. Many of those providers deadpooled shortly thereafter.

    There’s never been any transparency around what happened, what CC/Deluxe role in the scam was, but it’s clear CC/Deluxe benefitted from it, knows who else benefitted from it, and was pushing long term deals on the community.

    Why do I trust @poisson ’s list of providers over LEB? Do you find it acceptable that LEB’s tract record at this point is scammy bottom feeders that are entirely anonymous and have the highest statistical possibility of deadpooling?

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited February 2

    Dude, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    In this case, fool me seven times - don't even bother.

    Besides, the last time you posted a shit thread like this, LET/LEB went downhill fast. I reckon the same thing will occur.

    I have not created a single thread. Verify it if you dare.

  • The end is nigh.

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  • @NinjaNOC said:
    I wonder Jon... Does your mother share your business ethics for her daycare outfit? Because, if yes, then it might be time to inform her customers. Social media and all that, you know... Could become ugly.

    Just to be on the safe side: This is no threat from my side. I do not even have any social media accounts. But other people have. And the idea is already broadly discussed at certain places.

    Bad form man, sorry but this should not even have come up. His mother has nothing to do with his him or his character. He is a big boy and makes his own decisions. Family and friends have nothing to do with it.

    Ultimately his decisions are his alone, and his responsibility. Not his family or friends.

    Truth be told I have nothing against @jbiloh except his own actions. I do not care what some one else says, it his actions and through him his companies. He could be an awesome guy with bad business ethics and/or decisions. I do not know, but his actions speak differently.

    Might be a good idea to leave family and friends out of this discussion in the future. If you have a problem with @jbiloh concentrate on him, and leave others out of it.

    Catch me over at Primary DNS. If you want to chat I am done with this cesspool.

  • I think the only way reconciliation with the community happens is when you take the equilivant $ amount for all add revenue from the duration where leb openly advertised scams (colocrossing products) and donate it to charity. Otherwise id personally be more inclined to trust prout than leb ever.

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