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    • Did you install 14.04 from template or iso?

    • template

    • RobotexRobotex Member
      edited December 2019

      I got confirm from support that "Encore of the 833" didn't come with Windows, still I cannot explain how I was able to choose and install it at checkout time.
      What a bummer though 😟

    • VirMachVirMach Member, Provider, Top Provider

      Robotex said: For CW deals too? The locations are Bufalo and Piscataway, just trying to be sure before opening a ticket.

      2016 won't work well with specials. It uses too much resources. You need to enable pagefiling, -- Not sure if I sent this message or not, it was in my draft.

      noaman said: @VirMach

      The only issues with them is 99% of time European locations are out of stock or no promotional deals

      We're fixing that as soon™ as they're ready. We haven't been able to expand how we wanted with SH so we had to look elsewhere.

      @ben47955 said:

      @Jake4 said:
      Looks like the flash European server Christmas sales won't be on. :(

      Please share your source. I expect sale to start somewhere between this evening( from Eastern time) and 31 December.

      It's not looking good. Might end up being pushed to Chinese new year-ish timeslot.

      @exiust said:

      @samm said:
      anyone managed to install from their ubuntu 18.04 image? Looks like after install network configuration messed up and don;t have internet access now. Network adapter is renamed from ethX. I tried to rename by updating grub file 'net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0' then run update-grub. Did setup statis IP in Netplan yaml file.Tried few other solution but nothing seems to be working. Any help please?

      Didn't work with me either, I even had problems with their ubuntu 16.04 image. Had to use the 14.04 one and then upgrade.

      It's in the queue to fix these and add more. A lot of the new images have some compatibility issues but we just get them direct from the SolusVM TDN. Usually when we build our own it ends up being better.

    • Any plans for New Year deals? :) @VirMach

    • @Robotex said:
      I got confirm from support that "Encore of the 833" didn't come with Windows, still I cannot explain how I was able to choose and install it at checkout time.
      What a bummer though 😟

      I think few round of this was with Windows and few not. Maybe it's unclear on what package is was included.

    • RecDRecD Member
      edited December 2019

      @tester4 said:
      Any plans for New Year deals? :) @VirMach

      VirMach said: Might end up being pushed to Chinese new year-ish timeslot

      Comfy with Virmach

    • @ben47955 said:

      @Robotex said:
      I got confirm from support that "Encore of the 833" didn't come with Windows, still I cannot explain how I was able to choose and install it at checkout time.
      What a bummer though 😟

      I think few round of this was with Windows and few not. Maybe it's unclear on what package is was included.

      Definitely unclear, seeing there's no info as well on the billing panel about what OS (custom?) options are enabled on each service. At the time, when I tried to add the deal to the shopping cart, the "Windows available" text was there, but because website was very overloaded I had to refresh a few times before I was able to reach the checkout page, so maybe the rounds got mixed?
      And now I am wondering if the Windows Server 2012 r2 that I was able to select at checkout and it's currently installed, activated and running is allowed to be kept or not
      https://imgur.com/a/7OTVTXC

      @VirMach said:

      Robotex said: For CW deals too? The locations are Bufalo and Piscataway, just trying to be sure before opening a ticket.

      2016 won't work well with specials. It uses too much resources. You need to enable pagefiling, -- Not sure if I sent this message or not, it was in my draft.

      @VirMach Could you kindly clarify my above case?

    • VirMachVirMach Member, Provider, Top Provider
      edited December 2019

      Robotex said: Definitely unclear, seeing there's no info as well on the billing panel about what OS (custom?) options are enabled on each service. At the time, when I tried to add the deal to the shopping cart, the "Windows available" text was there, but because website was very overloaded I had to refresh a few times before I was able to reach the checkout page, so maybe the rounds got mixed?

      There was an issue where after being sold out/switched the offers showed as having Windows, but when the offer was actually sold it did not show as Windows.

      If you got to select Windows, then Windows is available. There were some cases where Windows was available but it didn't get listed on the site (but not the other way around.)

      Edmond said: How much does AliPay charge for processing payments? I know Stripe has AliPay AND Wechat Pay support but they charge the same as if it's a credit card, 2.9% + $0.30.

      Edmond said: Say, why does checkouts take AliPay and not WeChat Pay anyway? I noticed that some foreign sites have slowly started taking AliPay but WeChat Pay is yet to be a option yet?

      @lowfront said:
      So the Chinese bots won all the sales. Customers that would have happily paid didn't get the chance to. Now all the sales have been sold to bots that will not be paying and doing charge backs. What a mess and waste of time.

      VirMach provides great service I hate to see this.

      AliPay is 2.2% -- we almost integrated Payssion but didn't have time. We definitely need to make some changes here. Most people are still using AliPay but a lot still using PayPal which is 4.4% + 0.30c fee and they also keep the fee on refund (30 cents they keep, which adds up on small orders.) Average order from China is $5 so that's 0.52 (10%) fee versus 0.11 (2.2%) fee. I guess China customers are using PayPal more again because they feel safer/they can dispute. But we win most of those, at least when we reply (that's another story though, having to deal with $1-5 disputes.) Too many to reply to for this sale especially with people getting upset and the mass purchasers disputing. Just too many of them overall. Makes us want to accept PayPal even less from China (or at least for small orders from everyone.)

      I guess people don't realize this has implications too. Like we had to stop doing refunds on SSD256 services partially due to how many were PayPal from China who immediately applied for refund then re-ordered. And to give you an idea of the quantity, those specifically made up like 80% of all refund requests. We didn't want to just ban PayPal; we'd have to probably get that cleared with them first anyway. But it ended up just hurting customers.

      Any feedback/suggestions from the community so we can try to come up with a good solution? Is WeChat actually preferred? Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

    • VirMach said: Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

      Seems like that should be the default, for all providers. ;)

      Thanked by 2default Edmond

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      Long live LowEndInfo.com

    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

      @VirMach said:
      Any feedback/suggestions from the community so we can try to come up with a good solution? Is WeChat actually preferred? Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

      I am thinking maybe you can set a limit for new customers.

      For services less than $2.50 per billing term, clients can only pay by non-Paypal. They are still allowed to reload Store Credits by PayPal, but then there's a minimum deposit required (which should reduce the overhead in case of dispute)

      Thanked by 1tapa

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • VirMach said: Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

      80% of the customers are from China, so 80% of the refunds also come from China. Isn't that a normal figure? For those who discriminate against Chinese customers, VIR will soon be abandoned by Chinese customers. And your CPU restrictions, IO restrictions, should be limited by the use of technology by service providers, why should be transferred to customer responsibility?

    • superericsupereric Member
      edited December 2019

      @Virmach
      I bought two server from you. one paid with alipay .the other paid with paypal. I never open any ticket, and never open paypal dispute. I know some point from you when you often change tos follow your mind.

      You should be know 87% traffic come from China.

      You also should be know why You offer wechat pay or alipay .

      You should be known why you offer 64RAM vps,

      You should be known why server auto power off when I install lnmp suite fail with 2 core 4Gb ram instance.

      You should be known why you offer 10 GB traffic only

      You should be know we need pay for any support ticket or any email change or push the server to another account.

      The key point is YOU JUST WANT TO ERAN MORE MONEY BASE ON REJECT CUSTOMER'S Reasonable requirements!

      Low value customer is your target, Please think why when you set up a memorial arch .It is a joke.

      Of course, you can do it as you want. but why not reject any customer from China,or offer a fair solution and offer a normal servicr if you own basic business ethics. But

      ** look like your business is a joke when you offer some deal and said I don't know whether can be run**

      Anyway, I hope China customer giveup or stop renew any service in Chinese forums. Since from me.

      Thanked by 2dragonfsky daozhi
    • @wfjoyce said:

      VirMach said: Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

      80% of the customers are from China, so 80% of the refunds also come from China. Isn't that a normal figure? For those who discriminate against Chinese customers, VIR will soon be abandoned by Chinese customers. And your CPU restrictions, IO restrictions, should be limited by the use of technology by service providers, why should be transferred to customer responsibility?

      How do you figure that 80% of customers are from China...? Let alone 80% of revenue.Visits by bots arent customers.

      As for restrictions, simply don't abuse. I rather I can go 100% some of the time instead of 10% all of the time. Why do you feel privileged?

    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
      edited December 2019

      @wfjoyce @supereric Don't get me started.

      No one force you to use their services. Find me one, just one provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Look at how all the shitty summer hosts that deadpooled.

      别再丢人现眼了,爱用就用,没人逼你用。真香定律知道吗?嘴上说不要但心里却很诚实,还不是因为便宜购买了,有种你就不买不看不吵啊。找给我一家比 VirMach 更长久更稳定且更便宜的公司再和我说吧。没有几家公司可以提供5刀年付的小鸡。记得以前的四大金刚吗?到最后不是只剩 VirMach?

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • @exiust said:

      @wfjoyce said:

      VirMach said: Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

      80% of the customers are from China, so 80% of the refunds also come from China. Isn't that a normal figure? For those who discriminate against Chinese customers, VIR will soon be abandoned by Chinese customers. And your CPU restrictions, IO restrictions, should be limited by the use of technology by service providers, why should be transferred to customer responsibility?

      How do you figure that 80% of customers are from China...? Let alone 80% of revenue.Visits by bots arent customers.

      As for restrictions, simply don't abuse. I rather I can go 100% some of the time instead of 10% all of the time. Why do you feel privileged?

      250.14$ this is my spending on VIRMACH this year, all using Alipay.
      I just think banning Chinese customers from using paypal is a kind of discrimination.
      First of all, you need to define what abuse is, and the rules for fair use of VIRMACH are unreasonable.
      Second, I never abuse the server, but I don't like this restriction because I can't control exactly how much CPU the program uses and how much hard disk IO it uses.

    • superericsupereric Member
      edited December 2019

      @FAT32 said:
      @wfjoyce @supereric Don't get me started.

      No one force you to use their services. Find me one, just one provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Look at how all the shitty summer hosts that deadpooled.

      别再丢人现眼了,爱用就用,没人逼你用。真香定律知道吗?嘴上说不要但心里却很诚实,还不是因为便宜购买了,有种你就不买不看不吵啊。找给我一家比 VirMach 更长久更稳定且更便宜的公司再和我说吧。没有几家公司可以提供5刀年付的小鸡。记得以前的四大金刚吗?到最后不是只剩 VirMach?

      Yes, you r right, I deleted the server info .
      that's my point only. stop talk about it and enjoy u virmach.

      PS:I had some server from OVH, online,and avg month fee over $150. and never had any dispute . I hope someone keep claim and know I just share my point . The freedom is I can talk what I want to talk .

      Don't reply me ,I never care who r u, a affman or a partner or other.

    • CrelingCreling Member
      edited December 2019

      I don't like the way virmatch appears as a victim. Whether they need Chinese customers, they know for themselves.

      I don't know if it would make sense to discuss with non-Chinese people about disabling PayPal for Chinese customers, to win public sympathy?

      If VirMatch wants to ban PayPal payments from Chinese users, then ban it

      @FAT32

    • @FAT32 said:
      @wfjoyce @supereric Don't get me started.

      No one force you to use their services. Find me one, just one provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Look at how all the shitty summer hosts that deadpooled.

      别再丢人现眼了,爱用就用,没人逼你用。真香定律知道吗?嘴上说不要但心里却很诚实,还不是因为便宜购买了,有种你就不买不看不吵啊。找给我一家比 VirMach 更长久更稳定且更便宜的公司再和我说吧。没有几家公司可以提供5刀年付的小鸡。记得以前的四大金刚吗?到最后不是只剩 VirMach?

      OK, are you speaking officially on behalf of the VIRMACH?
      狗儿放心,不需要你提醒,我早晚也会下车。

    • @FAT32 said:
      @wfjoyce @supereric Don't get me started.

      No one force you to use their services. Find me one, just one provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Look at how all the shitty summer hosts that deadpooled.

      别再丢人现眼了,爱用就用,没人逼你用。真香定律知道吗?嘴上说不要但心里却很诚实,还不是因为便宜购买了,有种你就不买不看不吵啊。找给我一家比 VirMach 更长久更稳定且更便宜的公司再和我说吧。没有几家公司可以提供5刀年付的小鸡。记得以前的四大金刚吗?到最后不是只剩 VirMach?

      Actually I thought you must be a great man.In fact,you are a fake dalao and just a fucking small business man.PISSED ME OFF.I will never use anything about FAT32.You really made me disgusted.

      Why not go to Hostloc to show off your GREAT English and Chinese?
      It must be a fun thing.

    • @exiust said:

      @wfjoyce said:

      VirMach said: Anyone who would be hurt if we stopped accepting PayPal from China?

      80% of the customers are from China, so 80% of the refunds also come from China. Isn't that a normal figure? For those who discriminate against Chinese customers, VIR will soon be abandoned by Chinese customers. And your CPU restrictions, IO restrictions, should be limited by the use of technology by service providers, why should be transferred to customer responsibility?

      How do you figure that 80% of customers are from China...? Let alone 80% of revenue.Visits by bots arent customers.

      As for restrictions, simply don't abuse. I rather I can go 100% some of the time instead of 10% all of the time. Why do you feel privileged?

      He is a bot. That's why he can't even figure out what that traffic chart means.

      There are rumors that some Chinese people has already developed a automated boycotting program called Hostlocdotcom. All you need is create an object in that program, then the program will send countless bots to LET to boycott the targeted hosting provider.

      Those bots can't read, can't think and doesn't give a shit about what you say to them. All they do is stick to the script and boycotting the hosting provider they are programed to.

      Thanked by 2imok exiust
    • imokimok Member
      edited December 2019
    • CrelingCreling Member
      edited December 2019

      Kiwi83 said: He is a bot. That's why he can't even figure out what that traffic chart means.

      There are rumors that some Chinese people has already developed a automated boycotting program called Hostlocdotcom. All you need is create an object in that program, then the program will send countless bots to LET to boycott the targeted hosting provider.

      Those bots can't read, can't think and doesn't give a shit about what you say to them. All they do is stick to the script and boycotting the hosting provider they are programed to.

      a boring joke.

    • 既要做婊子,又要立牌坊.

      Making money from being a whore, yet still expect a monument of chastity.

    • Since we should seek advice, we should go to the largest community in China, not let. Since we discriminate against Chinese users, we should completely ban Chinese users from buying.

    • CrelingCreling Member
      edited December 2019

      @FAT32 said:
      @wfjoyce @supereric Don't get me started.

      No one force you to use their services. Find me one, just one provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Look at how all the shitty summer hosts that deadpooled.

      别再丢人现眼了,爱用就用,没人逼你用。真香定律知道吗?嘴上说不要但心里却很诚实,还不是因为便宜购买了,有种你就不买不看不吵啊。找给我一家比 VirMach 更长久更稳定且更便宜的公司再和我说吧。没有几家公司可以提供5刀年付的小鸡。记得以前的四大金刚吗?到最后不是只剩 VirMach?

      The English text of this passage is not identical with Chinese text , and the Chinese text contains abusive words. @FAT32 's Chinese is fluent, so I have reason to believe that this is intentional. This is an inappropriate behavior for a moderator and will intensify contradictions. I am waiting for an explanation.

      Thanked by 1yoursunny
    • defaultdefault Member
      edited December 2019

      @mc323 said:
      Since we discriminate against Chinese users, we should completely ban Chinese users from buying.

      Let's not get sentimental. This is just about PayPal + Chinese payments, it's not about banning a whole country or it's citizens. PayPal is just another payment processor, and it's not like this is the only way of payment across the whole internet.

      Fastmako (aff) - great VPS for your needs.

    • Creling said: I am waiting for an explanation.

      Maybe...

      Creling said: a boring joke.

    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
      edited December 2019

      @Creling said:
      The English text of this passage is not identical with Chinese text , and the Chinese text contains abusive words. FAT32 's Chinese is fluent, so I have reason to believe that this is intentional. This is an inappropriate behavior for a moderator and will intensify contradictions. I hope to get an explanation.

      I apologise for the inexact translation. This is not intentional but just what comes to my mind. The exact translation is as follow:

      Please don't make a fool of yourself. No one force you to use their services, you can use it if you wish. Despite you don't like VirMach, you still buy it because it is cheap. If you have the guts then don't buy or complain at all. Find me a provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Do you still remember the "4 cheap providers" (aka AlphaRacks etc)? In the end it is only left with VirMach.

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • CrelingCreling Member
      edited December 2019

      imok said: Maybe...

      a joke is one thing, abusive words is another thing.
      @FAT32 banned @wfjoyce because of "abusive words", but why not he banned himself ?

    • fartmother walks on thin eggs

      the Amitz.party lives on!

    • This is getting interesting...

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    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

      @default said:
      This is getting interesting...

      Maybe. Maybe not. I am out before the drama.

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • @FAT32 said:
      Maybe. Maybe not. I am out before the drama.

      Too late. A user already got banned. The seed of drama has been planted. You can't back off now.

      Fastmako (aff) - great VPS for your needs.

    • CrelingCreling Member
      edited December 2019

      FAT32 said: I apologise for the inexact translation. This is not intentional but just what comes to my mind. The exact translation is as follow:

      Please don't make a fool of yourself. No one force you to use their services, you can use it if you wish. Despite you don't like VirMach, you still buy it because it is cheap. If you have the guts then don't buy or complain at all. Find me a provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Do you still remember the "4 cheap providers" (aka AlphaRacks etc)? In the end it is only left with VirMach.

      well, no one complains about virmatch (at least none in this post),
      According to your words, can I interpret it as:

      No one forces you to accept Chinese customers. If you do not want to accept Chinese customers, then ban it. Make your own decisions and take responsibility for them.

      There is no need to discuss them in public.

    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

      @default said:
      Too late. A user already got banned. The seed of drama has been planted. You can't back off now.

      Right, he is insulting me being a dog of VirMach and that is enough for a ban.

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

      @Creling said:
      well, no one complains about virmatch (at least none in this post),
      According to your words, can I interpret it as:

      No one forces you to accept Chinese customers. If you do not want to accept Chinese customers, then ban it. Make your own decisions and take responsibility for them.

      There is no need to discuss them in public.

      Pretty sure someone complain about them here - https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3070354/#Comment_3070354

      Nope. There's no where in my response that indicates that. I am just saying that everyone have their choice on whether to use a provider or not.

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • @Creling said:

      Kiwi83 said: He is a bot. That's why he can't even figure out what that traffic chart means.

      There are rumors that some Chinese people has already developed a automated boycotting program called Hostlocdotcom. All you need is create an object in that program, then the program will send countless bots to LET to boycott the targeted hosting provider.

      Those bots can't read, can't think and doesn't give a shit about what you say to them. All they do is stick to the script and boycotting the hosting provider they are programed to.

      a boring joke.

      Virmach just want to change the payment method for Chinses users. Why do you people make such a fuss about it? Isn't Alipay easier to use for Chinese users? What on earth got into you guys?

    • FAT32 said: No one force you to use their services. Find me one, just one provider that has been in business longer than VirMach, has better uptime than VirMach, yet provide cheaper services than their crazy BF deal (less than $5/yr with similar specs). Look at how all the shitty summer hosts that deadpooled.别再丢人现眼了,爱用就用,没人逼你用。真香定律知道吗?嘴上说不要但心里却很诚实,还不是因为便宜购买了,有种你就不买不看不吵啊。找给我一家比 VirMach 更长久更稳定且更便宜的公司再和我说吧。没有几家公司可以提供5刀年付的小鸡。记得以前的四大金刚吗?到最后不是只剩 VirMach?

      @VirMach ,you should deduct @FAT32 salary!
      There is not any significance in his words.What's more,his talk in Chinese is not as same as in English and exacerbated the contradiction.
      Your glorious image in Chinese people's eyes,providing a large number of hosting services to Chinese without any profit or even loss,may be damaged by his words!
      What a terrible employee!

    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

      @zavier said:

      How many times do I need to mention I am in NO WAY affiliated with VirMach?

      Seriously, I am out.

      Highly emotional. Need more deals to calm myself down.

    • long1215long1215 Member
      edited December 2019

      @FAT32 said:

      @zavier said:

      How many times do I need to mention I am in NO WAY affiliated with VirMach?

      Seriously, I am out.

      If VirMach goes down it's yours

    • Kiwi83 said: Virmach just want to change the payment method for Chinses users. Why do you people make such a fuss about it? Isn't Alipay easier to use for Chinese users? What on earth got into you guys?

      If virmatch does not trust Chinese customers, then Chinese customers also have reasons to distrust virmatch. PayPal is a protection

    • FAT32 said: Right, he is insulting me being a dog of VirMach and that is enough for a ban.

      Please distinguish between 狗 and 狗儿.

    • FAT32 said: Nope. There's no where in my response that indicates that. I am just saying that everyone have their choice on whether to use a provider or not.

      yep, then every provider have their choice on whether to accept a customer, right? just do it.

    • VirMachVirMach Member, Provider, Top Provider

      FAT32 said: For services less than $2.50 per billing term, clients can only pay by non-Paypal. They are still allowed to reload Store Credits by PayPal, but then there's a minimum deposit required (which should reduce the overhead in case of dispute)

      We had something coded for this, where under $5 needed to just deposit in some situations, but there's some problems with that.

      wfjoyce said: 80% of the customers are from China, so 80% of the refunds also come from China. Isn't that a normal figure? For those who discriminate against Chinese customers, VIR will soon be abandoned by Chinese customers. And your CPU restrictions, IO restrictions, should be limited by the use of technology by service providers, why should be transferred to customer responsibility?

      80% (not an exact number, vague estimate) of all refund requests were for SSD256 orders from China. A good chunk of these were paid via PayPal. First of all, I hope you see the issue with us being charged 30 cents for these $1~ orders by PayPal even after refund. As for your inaccurate source, even if it were true, it still would be a problem that 80% of the refunds are for the SSD256 package from China. Because that means that's still not proportionate since everyone from China doesn't only purchase the SSD256 package.

      Anyway, that figure is wrong. By a lot.

      And your interpretation of what I said is wrong, because I'm just talking about the issue of PayPal not being a good payment method in that scenario, and gathering feedback for how we can help Chinese customers move away from using PayPal when better options are available to China (like AliPay) whereas that better option is not available elsewhere in the world or else we would probably try to move everyone away from PayPal in the same scenario.

    • @FAT32 said:

      @default said:
      Too late. A user already got banned. The seed of drama has been planted. You can't back off now.

      Right, he is insulting me being a dog of VirMach and that is enough for a ban.

      丢人现眼 is also such an offensive word in Chinese, it's not "play like you are a fool", why not ban yourself ?

      As Moderator, you started to use an insulting word , and then say you are out of drama?

    • Errr I think the issue at hand wasn't about "Chinese Customers" ....but the fact that the way PayPal charges fees, especially the cost with refunds, means that Virmach loses money.

      And any company that loses too much money, risk going bankrupt.

      And if Virmach goes bankrupt / deadpools, then everyone loses?
      Right?

      So maybe things got lost in translation and offence was taken where it was not meant / intended?

    • This is a historic thread my friends. You can tell your grandchildren that you were there when all this drama happened.

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