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    I was looking for cheap GPU servers ... to render.

    The program is Davinci Resolve. Version 15, to be exact.
    Known to work on my GTX 950m or Intel HD 4600 (ASUS ROG G550JX) and Intel HD 4000 (HP Revolve 810 G1).

    The only cheap servers I've found so far were @Ikoula's AGILE S I3 (with Intel UHD), or AGILE S (With NVIDIA GT 710). But until now, I'm not sure which one to buy, since I also plan to run my custom build of Windows 10 -- which should be dd'ed to the disk directly.

    I'm also looking at @Ikoula's classic i3/i5/i7 servers, but I'm not even sure which generation they are. If they have at least Intel HD 4000, then it should be okay. But I don't know ... and have no money to experiment. Not sure about their refund policy.

    Anyone has better idea? I try to keep the budget under $40, and basically any shit GPU is fine.

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    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

      Let's see if @exception0x876 can provide something. Last I recall he can do dedi with RX480 GPU for $30/mo, not sure if it is still available.

      Perhaps, some dreams can only be dreams.

    • rinaldohackrinaldohack Member
      edited November 6

      @FAT32 said:
      Let's see if @exception0x876 can provide something. Last I recall he can do dedi with RX480 GPU for $30/mo, not sure if it is still available.

      that's interesting, but I don't see anything on wishosting.com ....
      fingers crossed.

      EDIT : They do have GTX1060 servers, but out of stock :(

    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      Wishosting is Linux only. windows not allowed, not negotiable.

    • exception0x876exception0x876 Member, Provider

      Thanks for mentioning, it is out of stock at the moment.

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    • @exception0x876 do you have any other GPU servers?

      and is it true that windows isn't allowed? Isn't it -not allowed- like OVH, where they don't support it but just don't care if I run windows ... or not allowed like I'm gonna get kicked if you find out I run windows?

    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      I've asked about self installing windows on many occasions here haha

    • @hzr said:
      I've asked about self installing windows on many occasions here haha

      I see you're also looking for GPU servers. Where did you buy?

    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      rinaldohack said: I see you're also looking for GPU servers. Where did you buy?

      I use AWS mostly. It's illegal to do ML/AI stuff on consumer nvidia GPUs.

    • @hzr said:

      rinaldohack said: I see you're also looking for GPU servers. Where did you buy?

      I use AWS mostly. It's illegal to do ML/AI stuff on consumer nvidia GPUs.

      woah really? how come it's illegal?
      have some article I can read?

    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator
      edited November 6

      rinaldohack said: have some article I can read?

      https://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/licence.php?lang=us&type=TITAN

      2.1.3 consumer only

      yes, if you are little person it's unlikely they will enforce this on you, but legally...

    • @rinaldohack said:

      @hzr said:

      rinaldohack said: I see you're also looking for GPU servers. Where did you buy?

      I use AWS mostly. It's illegal to do ML/AI stuff on consumer nvidia GPUs.

      woah really? how come it's illegal?
      have some article I can read?

      It is illegal for datacenters to offer consumer GPUs as a service. That's why I bought a used GTX1070 for my ML needs.

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    • @hzr @poisson woah I just learned something new ...

      but how about @Ikoula's GT 710? Isn't GT also consumer card?
      I don't plan to ML anytime soon btw, but yeah ...

    • exception0x876exception0x876 Member, Provider

      @rinaldohack said:
      @exception0x876 do you have any other GPU servers?

      and is it true that windows isn't allowed? Isn't it -not allowed- like OVH, where they don't support it but just don't care if I run windows ... or not allowed like I'm gonna get kicked if you find out I run windows?

      It is not provided as an installation option. Also, KVM access is not available as well as no support is provided if the OS was changed from available Linux options.

      However, if you are able to install Windows without KVM access and do not need any support, I do not mind.

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    • I think that is a gray area. If the provider offers a service with Nvidia's proprietary CUDA drivers, that's not allowed. However, if you lease out the entire dedicated machine, the provider technically has no control over what driver is installed by the end customer. It could be open-source drivers. Who knows?

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    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      The last time I asked for some legal advice about it, it's driver based. You are not allowed to install the drivers or use the drivers for anything other than crypto mining. I believe you can use whatever open source linux nvidia drivers there might be, but nothing binary blob or nvidia derived officicial. This is regardless of who is doing the install (you or the dc).

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    • @exception0x876 said:

      @rinaldohack said:
      @exception0x876 do you have any other GPU servers?

      and is it true that windows isn't allowed? Isn't it -not allowed- like OVH, where they don't support it but just don't care if I run windows ... or not allowed like I'm gonna get kicked if you find out I run windows?

      It is not provided as an installation option. Also, KVM access is not available as well as no support is provided if the OS was changed from available Linux options.

      However, if you are able to install Windows without KVM access and do not need any support, I do not mind.

      I did that once on Kimsufi ... I'm pretty sure I can pull this off once again.
      I even wrote a tutorial before at my blog (rinaldo.id).

      But anyway, do you have plan to restock the $30 RX480? Have some ETA?

    • @hzr said:
      The last time I asked for some legal advice about it, it's driver based. You are not allowed to install the drivers or use the drivers for anything other than crypto mining. I believe you can use whatever open source linux nvidia drivers there might be, but nothing binary blob or nvidia derived officicial. This is regardless of who is doing the install (you or the dc).

      The EULA specifically prohibits datacenter deployment of the drivers. Renting out a dedicated server is not datacenter deployment. The end user installing the driver on a dedicated server is not a datacenter deployment either. I personally think that it is safe to self-install the drivers on a rented dedicated server because there is no freaking way any sane judge will believe Nvidia's claim that such a use is datacenter deployment.

      What Nvida seems to be after are the big cloud operators specifically selling GPU processing services. If you rent a dedi with an Nvidia card in it, you are deploying the dedi for your own personal use. It may well be physically housed in a datacenter, but for all intents and purposes, it is not part of the datacenter's operations.

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    • JordJord Moderator, Provider

      Didn't Hetzner have a GPU server at some point?

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    • @Jord said:
      Didn't Hetzner have a GPU server at some point?

      they still have. just outside of my price range for like 4 or 5 times.

    • JordJord Moderator, Provider

      @rinaldohack said:

      @Jord said:
      Didn't Hetzner have a GPU server at some point?

      they still have. just outside of my price range for like 4 or 5 times.

      Ah I see, I just didn't see it listed on their website.

      Just had a look at its €99 euros a month plus VAT for a GTX1080. Ouch...

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    • I think ikoula's cheapest UHD 630 is the only one that fits your budget and the best performing of the lot. The other GPUs are much poorer than the 630 (although it isn't that good itself). The rest are priced way too high.

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    • @poisson said:
      I think ikoula's cheapest UHD 630 is the only one that fits your budget and the best performing of the lot. The other GPUs are much poorer than the 630 (although it isn't that good itself). The rest are priced way too high.

      I can't even afford the 30 eur one. (that one is 35 eur)
      ... still looking for cheaper server.

    • DelongDelong Member, Provider

      I've got some spare GCP credits. How long would you need it for? CPU, RAM, Disk space, BW?

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    • I heard that Hetzner will soon introduce new GPU server but it will be a little more expensive than the current GTX 1080 series.

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    • How long is your project? I have an Ikoula server that has NVIDIA GT 710 idling. I can load a rescue environment for you so you can dd anything you want. It's a promo so I don't want to transfer it. It's only EUR10/m.

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    • deankdeank Member
      edited November 7

      Rendering on 710 isn't gonna work. Might as well rely on CPU.

      Thanked by 1rinaldohack

      Select few always have issues.

    • @Delong said:
      I've got some spare GCP credits. How long would you need it for? CPU, RAM, Disk space, BW?

      I think GCP doesn't allow GPU instances to be used by default.

      @stefeman said:
      I heard that Hetzner will soon introduce new GPU server but it will be a little more expensive than the current GTX 1080 series.

      even the current pricing is too expensive for me lol

      @deank said:
      Rendering on 710 isn't gonna work. Might as well rely on CPU.

      I know, my project isn't rely too much on GPU. But Davinci Resolve won't even start without GPU.

      @levnode said:
      How long is your project? I have an Ikoula server that has NVIDIA GT 710 idling. I can load a rescue environment for you so you can dd anything you want. It's a promo so I don't want to transfer it. It's only EUR10/m.

      about how long ... it is continuous project. I have a little video editing company, but my GTX 950m is dying.

      can I try your server?

    • @rinaldohack said:
      about how long ... it is continuous project. I have a little video editing company, but my GTX 950m is dying.

      can I try your server?

      Why don't you eBay a replacement GPU? Second hand one is probably affordable

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    • DelongDelong Member, Provider

      rinaldohack said: I think GCP doesn't allow GPU instances to be used by default.

      They only have GPUs available in select regions. It's about $0.5/hr for 2 CPU, 7.5GB ram and a Tesla K80 in Belgium. Just let me know and I can spin up an instance to hold you over for a bit.

    • @poisson said:

      @rinaldohack said:
      about how long ... it is continuous project. I have a little video editing company, but my GTX 950m is dying.

      can I try your server?

      Why don't you eBay a replacement GPU? Second hand one is probably affordable

      It was a laptop.

      @Delong said:

      rinaldohack said: I think GCP doesn't allow GPU instances to be used by default.

      They only have GPUs available in select regions. It's about $0.5/hr for 2 CPU, 7.5GB ram and a Tesla K80 in Belgium. Just let me know and I can spin up an instance to hold you over for a bit.

      No thanks, I can still run my 950m for a while.
      But yeah ... Thanks bro. Appreciate that.

    • k4zzk4zz Member

      Did you have a look at paperspace? Its above let pricing level (from about 0,5$ per hour) but relativly powerful and perhaps it fits to your use case if you can power off between rendering.

    • @k4zz said:
      Did you have a look at paperspace? Its above let pricing level (from about 0,5$ per hour) but relativly powerful and perhaps it fits to your use case if you can power off between rendering.

      my credit card can't be used there for some unknown reason.
      also davinci resolve doesn't allow you to turn off after rendering. neither google drive file stream after upload finishes. so I'm stuck with turn off manually, and I'm afraid of running out of money because forgetting to turn off (happens once at alibaba cloud)

    • @rinaldohack If you are doing this as a serious business, I suggest that you invest in the hardware, which is cheaper in the long run. Let's say you are willing to pay 40 a month as per your original post. That works out to be 480 a year. I just built a box for machine learning tasks using 100% used parts for 500 bucks with the following specs (inclusive case, power supply and non-stock heatsink + fan):

      i5-6600k with Asus z170 pro-gaming board
      16GB DDR4 RAM
      500GB Samsung Evo 850 SSD
      Zotac GTX 1070

      I really think you should evaluate your options to find the most cost effective solution before your graphics card fail. Renting dedicated servers is not a cost-effective solution for a one-man show.

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    • @poisson said:
      @rinaldohack If you are doing this as a serious business, I suggest that you invest in the hardware, which is cheaper in the long run. Let's say you are willing to pay 40 a month as per your original post. That works out to be 480 a year. I just built a box for machine learning tasks using 100% used parts for 500 bucks with the following specs (inclusive case, power supply and non-stock heatsink + fan):

      i5-6600k with Asus z170 pro-gaming board
      16GB DDR4 RAM
      500GB Samsung Evo 850 SSD
      Zotac GTX 1070

      I really think you should evaluate your options to find the most cost effective solution before your graphics card fail. Renting dedicated servers is not a cost-effective solution for a one-man show.

      thanks for your suggestion.
      I've think about this for couple weeks, but for now ... the money just isn't there.

      also, since we're running wedding organizer (kind of), one of our promotion channel is youtube, where we upload our full work there.
      the workflow is usually like this :
      1. I used my Google Drive File Stream (DriveFS), both mounted on server and on laptop on drive X:
      2. I transcoded to work here at home
      3. I edited, then saved the project file. While I'm working, I also uploading the full footage to DriveFS
      4. I uploaded the project file, and render on the server. Usually when time isn't a problem, I transcoded every footage once again to "Best" on HandBrake.
      5. I converted to DVD from server, then deliver the ISO back here using also DriveFS. (Main delivery media is DVD)
      6. Since the final file is already on server, I can reupload to YouTube later. Also have some backup on DriveFS.

      it is utterly complicated stuff. But if I keep promoting like that, using home PC instead, I would get stuck uploading 10-20GB to YouTube, and wasting like a day or two just uploading because my internet only got 5mbps upload (and upgrading is way too expensive).
      And while uploading, no DoTA. What will I do with my life without gaming, while there's no job?

      But yeah ... upgrading is on the plan, since I also do some music production.
      Just not the way you're thinking ._.

    • Thanks for letting me know your workflow. I think a Hetzner server auction with a i7-3770 (comes with Intel HD 4000 iGPU) might work.

      The Hetzner's dedicated servers with a iGPU can be enabled in Linux for transcoding:
      https://community.hetzner.com/tutorials/howto-enable-igpu

      If it can be enabled for Linux, it should be possible for Windows. You can check with Hetzner.

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    • @poisson said:
      Thanks for letting me know your workflow. I think a Hetzner server auction with a i7-3770 (comes with Intel HD 4000 iGPU) might work.

      The Hetzner's dedicated servers with a iGPU can be enabled in Linux for transcoding:
      https://community.hetzner.com/tutorials/howto-enable-igpu

      If it can be enabled for Linux, it should be possible for Windows. You can check with Hetzner.

      I used to run Windows 10 on Hetzner, that wasn't a problem. But Hetzner closed my account for non payment ... I was too confused how it works, and don't know how to cancel server, so yeah.
      That was 20 eur or something ... can't remember, that wasn't too much. But I've contacted billing team and promised to pay them later when I got money.

      I ended up getting exact CPU (i7-3770) on @ikoula classic servers.
      They do have one with Intel HD 4600, one with HD 4000, another one with HD 2500. I pulled the trigger and win :D also they allow me to refund in first 14 days ...
      but I win the lottery just in one try :D

      Thanks everyone!

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    • @rinaldohack said:

      @poisson said:
      Thanks for letting me know your workflow. I think a Hetzner server auction with a i7-3770 (comes with Intel HD 4000 iGPU) might work.

      The Hetzner's dedicated servers with a iGPU can be enabled in Linux for transcoding:
      https://community.hetzner.com/tutorials/howto-enable-igpu

      If it can be enabled for Linux, it should be possible for Windows. You can check with Hetzner.

      I used to run Windows 10 on Hetzner, that wasn't a problem. But Hetzner closed my account for non payment ... I was too confused how it works, and don't know how to cancel server, so yeah.
      That was 20 eur or something ... can't remember, that wasn't too much. But I've contacted billing team and promised to pay them later when I got money.

      I ended up getting exact CPU (i7-3770) on @ikoula classic servers.
      They do have one with Intel HD 4600, one with HD 4000, another one with HD 2500. I pulled the trigger and win :D also they allow me to refund in first 14 days ...
      but I win the lottery just in one try :D

      Thanks everyone!

      Glad to know you found something that works. @ikoula seems to be a great provider, and it would be nice if you can do a review sometime down the road!

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    • so ... after a little of fighting, i7 3770 only renders at 0.5 frames / second for UHD, and 1-2 frames per second for HD. this is too slow.

      where do I move next?

    • @rinaldohack said:
      so ... after a little of fighting, i7 3770 only renders at 0.5 frames / second for UHD, and 1-2 frames per second for HD. this is too slow.

      where do I move next?

      You have no room to move if your budget doesn't move. Otherwise buy a second hand laptop with a decent GPU and sell your current one. Not many options.

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    • @poisson said:

      @rinaldohack said:
      so ... after a little of fighting, i7 3770 only renders at 0.5 frames / second for UHD, and 1-2 frames per second for HD. this is too slow.

      where do I move next?

      You have no room to move if your budget doesn't move. Otherwise buy a second hand laptop with a decent GPU and sell your current one. Not many options.

      lets see ... ah okay, I can spend $30 to $35 a month.
      what do you think?

      I better went with my current laptop (i7 4720HQ + GTX 950M) and crank it until it died, then buy a better laptop with the profit. But I'm trying to avoid that.

    • I really think it is impossible to get renting a box with a decent GPU for that budget. Firstly such systems are already hard to come by and your budget is quite low.. I really think you should get a laptop with good GPU for your purpose.. if this is going to earn you money then you need some proper investment

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    • @poisson said:
      I really think it is impossible to get renting a box with a decent GPU for that budget. Firstly such systems are already hard to come by and your budget is quite low.. I really think you should get a laptop with good GPU for your purpose.. if this is going to earn you money then you need some proper investment

      did I specify before that I hate my internet connection here at Indonesia?
      That's why I prefer to offload every single video work, since our promotion media is mainly YouTube, and I most of the time download the DVD delivery back from server.

      hmm ...
      or where can I rent gpu servers per hour, except alibaba cloud (which is too expensive and have stupid data transfer plan), azure (which is incompatible), paperspace (got declined credit card), packet (got rejected), and google cloud (also incompatible)?

      ...

    • Sorry not possible to find a solution. All decent GPU dedids are more than 100USD per month

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    • why not build your own box and get it colo'd? im sure you could get a 2u system built and a 100mb connection

    • Tip. just don't just go below RX 470 or your rendering will be really slow

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    • @rinaldohack Davinci Resolve works great on linux, you don't need windows, the install is relatively easy.

    • @rinaldohack said:

      @poisson said:
      I really think it is impossible to get renting a box with a decent GPU for that budget. Firstly such systems are already hard to come by and your budget is quite low.. I really think you should get a laptop with good GPU for your purpose.. if this is going to earn you money then you need some proper investment

      did I specify before that I hate my internet connection here at Indonesia?
      That's why I prefer to offload every single video work, since our promotion media is mainly YouTube, and I most of the time download the DVD delivery back from server.

      hmm ...
      or where can I rent gpu servers per hour, except alibaba cloud (which is too expensive and have stupid data transfer plan), azure (which is incompatible), paperspace (got declined credit card), packet (got rejected), and google cloud (also incompatible)?

      ...

      ExoScale? 1.3 USD for a VM with 1 Tesla V100 GPU, or 3 USD for 4 GPUs per hour, but only 1.4 GB egress is free per hour, normal pricing is roughly 20 USD per TB.

    • @dropbear said:
      @rinaldohack Davinci Resolve works great on linux, you don't need windows, the install is relatively easy.

      linux one can't render H264. I was using free version.

      I asked on Blackmagic forum, I might also ask here.

      Basically I got cheap servers with either :

      1. Intel Core i7 3770 (4c/8t) (Intel HD Graphics 4000)
      2. Intel Core i3 8100 (4c/4t) (Intel UHD Graphics 630)
      3. Intel Celeron® G3900 (2c/2t) (Intel HD Graphics 510)
      4. Intel® Xeon® E3 1220v5 (4c/4t) (NVIDIA GT 710)
      5. Intel® Xeon® E3 1220v5 (4c/4t) (Radeon R5 230 2GB)

      I was looking for the fastest rendering possible, WITHOUT color correction at all.
      Also with possibility to render 4K (I don't care if that will be slow, that's okay).

      From what I see, everything but number 2 has OpenCL version 1.2 (bare minimum). Number 2 is the highest (2.1), following by number 3 (also 2.1, but less core number)
      Also I fail to run Resolve on GT 710 (see https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=102360).

      Thoughts, anyone?

    • dropbeardropbear Member
      edited November 17

      rinaldohack said: Basically I got cheap servers with either :

      Intel Core i7 3770 (4c/8t) (Intel HD Graphics 4000)

      Intel Core i3 8100 (4c/4t) (Intel UHD Graphics 630)
      Intel Celeron

      G3900 (2c/2t) (Intel HD Graphics 510)

      Intel
      Xeon
      E3 1220v5 (4c/4t) (NVIDIA GT 710)
      Intel
      Xeon E3 1220v5 (4c/4t) (Radeon R5 230 2GB)

      None of those servers are suitable, any video card with < 4GB is a waste of time. 1min of 4k video is ~375mb, thus a 4GB video card can only load into memory 10 mins of 4k video.

      As a suggestion search for crypto mining rig rentals/hire, some of those have cheap rx480 or gtx 1060 with 4GB of memory. Also there are some P2P services for hiring out peoples gaming rigs GPU's for training machine learning models, way cheaper than any datacenter prices.

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    • I use Linode. If your usage is minimal, your bill should be within the budget: https://www.linode.com/2019/06/19/introducing-linode-gpu-instances/

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