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    Centos 8 was released !

    zuby2402zuby2402 Member
    edited September 24 in General

    any thoughts ?

    The CentOS project, a 100% compatible rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux, in full compliance with Red Hat's redistribution requirements, has published a new version: CentOS 8.0.1905. The new version is based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.0 sources. There are two main editions of CentOS, depending on your needs, CentOS Linux and CentOS Steam: "You now have two ways to consume the CentOS platform, CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream. CentOS Linux is a rebuild of the freely available sources for Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). CentOS Stream is a midstream distribution that provides a cleared-path for participation in creating the next version of RHEL. Read more in the CentOS Stream release notes." CentOS Stream is a rolling release distribution that acts as a middle ground between the cutting edge packages in Fedora and the stable, long-term packages available in Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

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    • SpeedBusSpeedBus Member, Provider

      Installer UI is pretty similar to CentOS 7,

      Just a change in the repository/URL scheme for the netinstall repos,

      For example, in CentOS 7 it was,

      http://MIRROR/centos/7/os/x86_64/
      

      now in CentOS 8 it's

      http://MIRROR/centos/8/BaseOS/x86_64/os/
      

      It includes cockpit as well (from RHEL8) -- web based server manager/monitoring/console thing, server prompts it in the login screen,

      Activate the web console with: systemctl enable --now cockpit.socket
      

      Run's a nice 4.18 kernel right out the box,

      [[email protected] ~]# uname -r
      4.18.0-80.7.1.el8_0.x86_64
      

      The another change would be the inclusion of "dnf" to compliment "yum"

      [[email protected] ~]# dnf update
      CentOS-8 - AppStream                            1.8 MB/s | 5.6 MB     00:03
      CentOS-8 - Base                                 1.7 MB/s | 5.3 MB     00:03
      CentOS-8 - Extras                               698  B/s | 2.1 kB     00:03
      Dependencies resolved.
      Nothing to do.
      Complete!
      

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    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      SpeedBus said: Installer UI is pretty similar to CentOS 7,

      Supports CentOS 7 kickstarters too without issue.

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    • JordJord Moderator
      edited September 24

      CentOS is prem. Glad to see they've released ver 8. Now it's time to do some testing and install some goodness.

    • SpeedBusSpeedBus Member, Provider
      edited September 24

      @Francisco said:

      SpeedBus said: Installer UI is pretty similar to CentOS 7,

      Supports CentOS 7 kickstarters too without issue.

      Francisco

      Yup! Pretty neat so far, seems like a "refined" version of CentOS 7 :P
      With pretty much all working as usual so far.

      Have to see what version of libvirt/qemu etc is shipped with it, if there's anything new in that side of things.

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    • Kernel 4.x.x by default in centos, this will be strange look for sure.

    • Looking forward to seeing what changes for the sake of changing something RedHat has introduced with this version.

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    • jlayjlay Member
      edited September 24

      @raindog308 said:
      Looking forward to seeing what changes for the sake of changing something RedHat has introduced with this version.

      You spelled Canonical wrong

      edit: evidence piece #1 https://netplan.io/

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    • Cool! A new version of the best OS!

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    • SpryServers_TabSpryServers_Tab Member, Provider

      @SpeedBus said:

      @Francisco said:

      SpeedBus said: Installer UI is pretty similar to CentOS 7,

      Supports CentOS 7 kickstarters too without issue.

      Francisco

      Yup! Pretty neat so far, seems like a "refined" version of CentOS 7 :P
      With pretty much all working as usual so far.

      Have to see what version of libvirt/qemu etc is shipped with it, if there's anything new in that side of things.

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    • Thanks, gotta try that!

    • sinsin Member

      So I'm normally a Debian and FreeBSD user but I'm excited to try out this CentOS Stream version.

    • aj_potcaj_potc Member
      edited September 25

      I've got a number of applications that require the popular package ImageMagick, but I see that it's been removed in RHEL 8/CentOS 8. I also don't see it (yet) in the EPEL package list.

      Does anyone have a suggestion for how to handle this? I know I could install the RPM manually, but I really want to avoid doing things outside of the package manager, and would prefer to pull the package from a repo that's maintained.

    • It may take a while for all the packages to be released for CentOS 8 but for LAMP packages you can have a look at Remi Repo

    • eva2000eva2000 Member
      edited September 25

      aj_potc said: I've got a number of applications that require the popular package ImageMagick, but I see that it's been removed in RHEL 8/CentOS 8. I also don't see it (yet) in the EPEL package list.

      You can find ImageMagick in EPEL EL8 but it's under epel-testing repo right now

      ImageMagick.x86_64                                6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      ImageMagick-c++.x86_64                            6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      ImageMagick-c++-devel.x86_64                      6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      ImageMagick-devel.x86_64                          6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      ImageMagick-doc.x86_64                            6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      ImageMagick-libs.x86_64                           6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      ImageMagick-perl.x86_64                           6.9.10.64-1.el8                          epel-testing
      

      There should be a version under slightly different name in REMI EL8 repo too - haven't checked yet. Doing my CentOS 8 testing locally via VirtualBox KVM guest VM and currently it's occupied doing other tasks heh.

      Been testing CentOS 8 and lots of changes to account for some things. Working to make Centmin Mod LEMP stack CentOS 8 compatible so started a work log outlining my progress at https://community.centminmod.com/threads/centmin-mod-centos-8-compatibility-worklog.18372/ :)

      edit: ImageMagick packages in EPEL and REMI EL8 repos

      ImageMagick.x86_64             6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick.x86_64             1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick.x86_64             1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-c++.x86_64         6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick-c++.x86_64         1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-c++.x86_64         1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-c++-devel.x86_64   6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick-c++-devel.x86_64   1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-c++-devel.x86_64   1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-devel.x86_64       6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick-devel.x86_64       1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-devel.x86_64       1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-djvu.x86_64        1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-djvu.x86_64        1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-doc.x86_64         6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick-doc.x86_64         1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-doc.x86_64         1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-heic.x86_64        1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-heic.x86_64        1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-libs.x86_64        6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick-libs.x86_64        1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-libs.x86_64        1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-perl.x86_64        6.9.10.64-1.el8         epel-testing
      ImageMagick-perl.x86_64        1:6.9.10.65-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick-perl.x86_64        1:6.9.10.66-1.el8.remi  remi
      ImageMagick7.x86_64            7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7.x86_64            7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-c++.x86_64        7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-c++.x86_64        7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-c++.x86_64        7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-c++.x86_64        7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-c++-devel.x86_64  7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-c++-devel.x86_64  7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-devel.x86_64      7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-devel.x86_64      7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-djvu.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-djvu.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-djvu.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-djvu.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-doc.x86_64        7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-doc.x86_64        7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-heic.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-heic.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-heic.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-heic.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-libs.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-libs.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-libs.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi-safe
      ImageMagick7-libs.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-perl.x86_64       7.0.8.65-1.el8.remi     remi
      ImageMagick7-perl.x86_64       7.0.8.66-1.el8.remi     remi
      
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    • @eva2000:

      Excellent info, thanks! You've clearly done far more work that I have! :wink:

      I think it's a bit early to be moving to CentOS 8 for production use, but it's good to see that the packages I need are already in EPEL for testing. Hopefully by the time I'm ready to take the plunge, everything will be more clear (or at least documented by others!).

    • Centos 8 released and i still use 6.x here

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      There were problems in svm that it by default deploy templates in sparse mode (which skipping the holes and not zero fill them). Will crash ext4 if you have some combination of mkfs flags. And crashes NTFS. Lot's of testing work involved.

      EPEL still lacks some packages by now (jwhois be one of them.)

    • @imok said:
      Cool! A new version of the best OS!

      I prefer Linux.

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    • ManalManal Member
      edited September 25

      Not bragging, CentOS has already been my favorite OS in Linux compared to Debian & Ubuntu(which is least). Waiting for virtualizor to roll it in...

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    • Looking forward to seeing what changes for the sake of changing something RedHat has introduced with this version.

      You spelled Canonical wrong

      Eh...systemd, firewalld, the list goes on.

      But really it's a Linux problem. Those halfwits can't even keep their man pages straight. Or even use man pages.

      In my opinion:

      Adult's Table: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian

      Kid's Table: RHEL, Ubuntu

      Special Needs Drool Table: Windows

      Everything Else: Not invited to the party because people forgot that branch of the family

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    • @raindog308 said:

      Looking forward to seeing what changes for the sake of changing something RedHat has introduced with this version.

      You spelled Canonical wrong

      Eh...systemd, firewalld, the list goes on.

      But really it's a Linux problem. Those halfwits can't even keep their man pages straight. Or even use man pages.

      In my opinion:

      Adult's Table: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian

      Kid's Table: RHEL, Ubuntu

      Special Needs Drool Table: Windows

      Everything Else: Not invited to the party because people forgot that branch of the family

      For what purpose? It's like you're thinking a server or appliance should be a workstation or something. It doesn't match reality or real world at all.

    • raindog308 said: Adult's Table: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian

      I always picture the BSD folks as those two Goth kids sitting alone on the porch talking about what losers everybody else is while everybody else just ignores them and has a good time.

    • TimboJones said: For what purpose? It's like you're thinking a server or appliance should be a workstation or something. It doesn't match reality or real world at all.

      In terms of maturity. OpenBSD, for example, is extremely well documented, routinely audits their code, has consistency across its entire codebase, etc.

      Debian is less well-documented but more stable release-to-release than most other distros.

      RedHat is a wild mix of code quality, documentation formats (if documentation even exists), extreme changes between versions for arbitrary reasons, etc.

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    • @raindog308 what you think of alpine os?

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    • Have to get kvm with more ram.
      Attention At least 2 GB RAM are required to install and use CentOS-8 (1905). At least 4 GB RAM is recommended.
      https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.1905

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    • Centos fo life

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    • ehab said: @raindog308 what you think of alpine os?

      Haven't tried it...or arch either...or slackware in the last, oh, 20 years.

      Just shooting my mouth off :-)

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    • MGarbis said: Attention At least 2 GB RAM are required to install and use CentOS-8 (1905). At least 4 GB RAM is recommended.

      Now I've seen everything.

      Windows Server 2019's minimum RAM is 512MB for Express, or 1GB for Standard/Enterprise.

      So in 2019, Linux requires more RAM than Windows.

      image

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    • raindog308 said: Windows Server 2019's minimum RAM is 512MB for Express, or 1GB for Standard/Enterprise.

      If I had to guess, the Centos number are probably high enough for a good experience with X and Firefox. Everybody knows Microsoft minimums are laughable.

    • @raindog308 said:
      Now I've seen everything.

      Windows Server 2019's minimum RAM is 512MB for Express, or 1GB for Standard/Enterprise.

      So in 2019, Linux requires more RAM than Windows.

      No, Microsoft are just bigger liars. Can you even run a modern, 64-bit web browser with 512MB of RAM? If you want a stripped-down Linux OS, there's plenty, they just aren't RHEL.

      That said... GNOME is the devil. It was amazing back in the v0.9 thru v1.2 days... Had the UI that Microsoft copied (poorly) for Win7. Then it went all sideways. It's a massive resource hog, all to display three desktop icons and a menu, and a bunch of UI-crippled accessory apps. It's worse than Win10, and I don't say that lightly.

      I've standardized on XFce, with some customizations. It has kept a decent UI for decades, and it's so lightweight that old dirt-cheap systems seem fast. Now if the EPEL folks could just get it in the repos for RHEL8...

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    • vimalwarevimalware Member
      edited September 26

      I guess I can learn centos8/systemdOS now, just as easily as any other systemD 'carrier'.

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    • @skorous said:

      raindog308 said: Adult's Table: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian

      I always picture the BSD folks as those two Goth kids sitting alone on the porch talking about what losers everybody else is while everybody else just ignores them and has a good time.

      Thats totally like, your opinion man

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    • @aj_potc said:
      @eva2000:

      Excellent info, thanks! You've clearly done far more work that I have! :wink:

      I think it's a bit early to be moving to CentOS 8 for production use, but it's good to see that the packages I need are already in EPEL for testing. Hopefully by the time I'm ready to take the plunge, everything will be more clear (or at least documented by others!).

      Yeah from CentOS 8 testing /research so far, there's definitely some missing YUM packages which I'd require/need. So we shall see.

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    • @eva2000 said:

      @aj_potc said:
      @eva2000:

      Excellent info, thanks! You've clearly done far more work that I have! :wink:

      I think it's a bit early to be moving to CentOS 8 for production use, but it's good to see that the packages I need are already in EPEL for testing. Hopefully by the time I'm ready to take the plunge, everything will be more clear (or at least documented by others!).

      Yeah from CentOS 8 testing /research so far, there's definitely some missing YUM packages which I'd require/need. So we shall see.

      I'm getting this too with php-* packages i.e. tidy, zip and imagick. Their dependencies on libtidy, libMagick and libzip seem to be missing?

    • sanmax88 said: I'm getting this too with php-* packages i.e. tidy, zip and imagick. Their dependencies on libtidy, libMagick and libzip seem to be missing?

      mentioned in my CentOS 8 Compatibility work log https://community.centminmod.com/threads/centmin-mod-centos-8-compatibility-worklog.18372/ - all -devel packages are now in separate PowerTools repo but some might need to get from REMI EL8 or epel-playground repos, But yeah some are missing

      yum -q list *tidy* *libzip*  --enablerepo=PowerTools,epel,epel-testing,epel-playground,remi,remi-safe --showduplicates
      
      Available                                   Packages                  
      libtidy.x86_64                              5.6.0-4.el8.remi          remi
      libtidy.x86_64                              5.6.0-5.epel8.playground  epel-playground
      libtidy-devel.x86_64                        5.6.0-4.el8.remi          remi
      libtidy-devel.x86_64                        5.6.0-5.epel8.playground  epel-playground
      perltidy.noarch                             20180220-1.el8            PowerTools
      php-horde-Horde-Text-Filter-Csstidy.noarch  2.0.1-1.el8.remi          remi
      php56-php-tidy.x86_64                       5.6.40-12.el8.remi        remi-safe
      php56-php-tidy.x86_64                       5.6.40-12.el8.remi        remi
      php56-php-tidy.x86_64                       5.6.40-13.el8.remi        remi-safe
      php56-php-tidy.x86_64                       5.6.40-13.el8.remi        remi
      php70-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.0.33-12.el8.remi        remi-safe
      php70-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.0.33-12.el8.remi        remi
      php70-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.0.33-13.el8.remi        remi-safe
      php70-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.0.33-13.el8.remi        remi
      php71-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.1.31-1.el8.remi         remi-safe
      php71-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.1.31-1.el8.remi         remi
      php71-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.1.32-1.el8.remi         remi-safe
      php71-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.1.32-1.el8.remi         remi
      php72-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.2.22-1.el8.remi         remi-safe
      php72-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.2.22-1.el8.remi         remi
      php72-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.2.23-1.el8.remi         remi-safe
      php72-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.2.23-1.el8.remi         remi
      php73-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.3.9-1.el8.remi          remi-safe
      php73-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.3.9-1.el8.remi          remi
      php73-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.3.10-1.el8.remi         remi-safe
      php73-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.3.10-1.el8.remi         remi
      php74-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.4.0~rc2-21.el8.remi     remi-safe
      php74-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.4.0~rc2-21.el8.remi     remi
      php74-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.4.0~rc2-22.el8.remi     remi-safe
      php74-php-tidy.x86_64                       7.4.0~rc2-22.el8.remi     remi
      tidy.x86_64                                 5.6.0-4.el8.remi          remi
      tidy.x86_64                                 5.6.0-5.epel8.playground  epel-playground
      

      For my PHP 7.3+ builds libzip I usually compile from source anyway for newer versions on CentOS 7 so probably be doing same for CentOS 8.

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    • @raindog308 said:

      TimboJones said: For what purpose? It's like you're thinking a server or appliance should be a workstation or something. It doesn't match reality or real world at all.

      In terms of maturity. OpenBSD, for example, is extremely well documented, routinely audits their code, has consistency across its entire codebase, etc.

      Debian is less well-documented but more stable release-to-release than most other distros.

      RedHat is a wild mix of code quality, documentation formats (if documentation even exists), extreme changes between versions for arbitrary reasons, etc.

      Yep, fine for servers, almost useless for day to day desktop work.

    • jlayjlay Member
      edited September 27

      @raindog308 said:

      Looking forward to seeing what changes for the sake of changing something RedHat has introduced with this version.

      You spelled Canonical wrong

      Eh...systemd, firewalld, the list goes on.

      But really it's a Linux problem. Those halfwits can't even keep their man pages straight. Or even use man pages.

      In my opinion:

      Adult's Table: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian

      Kid's Table: RHEL, Ubuntu

      Special Needs Drool Table: Windows

      Everything Else: Not invited to the party because people forgot that branch of the family

      systemd isn't a ding on RHEL specifically, it's not nearly unique enough. So many distributions and their offspring have adopted it. Red Hat definitely played a part in it being big, but /shrug

      An argument could be made for firewalld, but it's really not uncommon either. I applaud Red Hat for embracing new things and sticking with them, at least with a better track record than the folks at Canonical have. Sure they've had some flubs (looking at you, up2date), but generally they try out new things, have a rough patch, and it works out pretty well.

      An example of this is NetworkManager and firewalld - the are extremely odd compared to traditional tools, and they were honestly junk at the beginning. Now they work great together, automating against them is a dream. I manage extremely convoluted proxies on many networks at work, and this made it far easier than say raw iptables/network-scripts. Netplan for this is terrible

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    • jlay said: systemd isn't a ding on RHEL specifically, it's not nearly unique enough. So many distributions and their offspring have adopted it. Red Hat definitely played a part in it being big, but /shrug

      Lennart Poettering works for RedHat :-)

      And regardless of systemd's technical merits or lack thereof, it should be fully documented on the OS and not direct me to freedesktop.org. WTF.

      To me, RHEL is now like Solaris or HP-UX or AIX...one of those OSes you buy because you have some piece of software that requires it or you're a big shop that standardizes on it. I really only see it in "enterprise" shops...most of the smaller web shops, etc. seem to be using Debian or Ubuntu.

      But whatever...I'm very used to my technical opinions and preferences not being mainstream. I mean, Microsoft.

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    • @raindog308 said:

      jlay said: systemd isn't a ding on RHEL specifically, it's not nearly unique enough. So many distributions and their offspring have adopted it. Red Hat definitely played a part in it being big, but /shrug

      Lennart Poettering works for RedHat :-)

      And regardless of systemd's technical merits or lack thereof, it should be fully documented on the OS and not direct me to freedesktop.org. WTF.

      To me, RHEL is now like Solaris or HP-UX or AIX...one of those OSes you buy because you have some piece of software that requires it or you're a big shop that standardizes on it. I really only see it in "enterprise" shops...most of the smaller web shops, etc. seem to be using Debian or Ubuntu.

      But whatever...I'm very used to my technical opinions and preferences not being mainstream. I mean, Microsoft.

      Yep lol. There's a whole story with that nonsense

      I haven't really had any trouble finding local documentation for things like systemd units or the seemingly random binaries it requires familiarity with... I never have to go anywhere like that to find information, but maybe that's because I've run into enough walls already

      Yea, that's fair - you're paying for a certain flavor. It's not reasonable to buy unless you absolutely need vendor support for a mission critical thing. I mostly use CentOS or Fedora on my own stuff, but work is a fleet of Debian/Ubuntu.

      I'm eagerly pushing us towards RHEL, but we'll have to fix our pipelines, package building specs, etc. On the back burner for now, but I mean we did just buy them - it would be crazy to not use their stuff

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    • @MGarbis said:
      Have to get kvm with more ram.
      Attention At least 2 GB RAM are required to install and use CentOS-8 (1905). At least 4 GB RAM is recommended.
      https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.1905

      Just tried it out with iso installation, and this is fresh minimum install with qemu agent

      [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
      CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
      [[email protected] ~]# free -mh
                    total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
      Mem:          1.8Gi       156Mi       1.4Gi       8.0Mi       194Mi       1.5Gi
      Swap:         1.5Gi          0B       1.5Gi
      
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      Did anyone try Cockpit yet ? Seems pretty neat

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    • @akhfa said:

      @MGarbis said:
      Have to get kvm with more ram.
      Attention At least 2 GB RAM are required to install and use CentOS-8 (1905). At least 4 GB RAM is recommended.
      https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.1905

      Just tried it out with iso installation, and this is fresh minimum install with qemu agent

      > [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
      > CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
      > [[email protected] ~]# free -mh
      >               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
      > Mem:          1.8Gi       156Mi       1.4Gi       8.0Mi       194Mi       1.5Gi
      > Swap:         1.5Gi          0B       1.5Gi
      > 

      Similar numbers here, yum minimum installation with fail2ban.

      [email protected] ~ # free -m
                    total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
      Mem:            981         165         403          55         412         619
      Swap:          1023           0        1023
      [email protected] ~ # cat /etc/redhat-release
      CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
      

      This test bench has 1GB memory assigned, and it runs just fine even without swap.

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    • SpryServers_TabSpryServers_Tab Member, Provider

      @SpeedBus said:
      Did anyone try Cockpit yet ? Seems pretty neat

      Yeah I've played with the cock on fedora previously. It is pretty cool. Lots of plugins.

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      SpryServers_Tab said: I've played with the cock

      That's one way to make the templates work...

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