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UPDATE: Thinking about starting a webhosting company

brenthopkinsbrenthopkins Member
edited August 2019 in General

I've decided on what audience to target and mapped everything out. To keep this from being a shill post, the names are redacted and I don't plan on sharing the name on LET.

Anyways, here's some pre-launch stuff:

---I didn't fully redact everything in this image, just saw it after posted!---

Comments

  • james50ajames50a Member
    edited August 2019

    really dont get the point of this post tbh. Is the point of this advertising that you got a single server and are now somehow capable of being a reliable webhost or....

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  • SmallWebSmallWeb Member, Provider
    edited August 2019
  • dedotatedwamdedotatedwam Member
    edited August 2019

    You uploaded a picture of your screen instead of taking a screenshot like a normal person. That tells me everything about the future success of your company.

    Senior Level 30 Microsoft Certified Technician

  • muffinmuffin Member
    edited August 2019

    Another ovh reseller :0

  • The end is nigh.

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  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    @muffin said:
    Another ovh reseller :0

    Hello,

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    Good to see LET getting back to its roots.

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  • ITLabsITLabs Member
    edited August 2019

    Shane? Is that you?

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  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    I believe most of us know how to install a OS and run 2 benchmark scripts

    "Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always."

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    FAT32 said: I believe most of us know how to install a OS and run 2 benchmark scripts

    Then you are in the target audience!

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  • Daniel15Daniel15 Member
    edited August 2019

    Also, dd is not a good benchmark technique, as caches will affect the time, and sequential writes are rarely an indication of real life performance (random reads happen far more often). You should use fio instead. See https://support.binarylane.com.au/support/solutions/articles/1000055889-how-to-benchmark-disk-i-o for a good writeup on it.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    To be serious @brenthopkins, you are focusing a lot on the technical side.

    That is the easy part.

    The hard part is marketing, getting customers, retaining customers, and managing a business. In your other thread, you say you are targeting shared hosting - one of the most competitive markets on Earth. Virtually zero customer loyalty, tons of competition, low barrier to entry, high customer acquisition cost, costly support requirements, and razor thin margins.

    Your questions in the other thread were all about tech...what about finding, attracting, and retaining customers? If your marketing plan consists of LET and WHT, you're doomed.

    BTW, 70 websites maximum per server is ridiculously low...some shared hosts have thousands per server. What matters is not how many sites are configured but rather what the peak load is.

    For LET support, please visit the support desk.

  • @raindog308 said:
    To be serious @brenthopkins, you are focusing a lot on the technical side.

    That is the easy part.

    The hard part is marketing, getting customers, retaining customers, and managing a business. In your other thread, you say you are targeting shared hosting - one of the most competitive markets on Earth. Virtually zero customer loyalty, tons of competition, low barrier to entry, high customer acquisition cost, costly support requirements, and razor thin margins.

    Your questions in the other thread were all about tech...what about finding, attracting, and retaining customers? If your marketing plan consists of LET and WHT, you're doomed.

    BTW, 70 websites maximum per server is ridiculously low...some shared hosts have thousands per server. What matters is not how many sites are configured but rather what the peak load is.

    70 websites/server is because of no overselling.

    @FAT32 said:
    I believe most of us know how to install a OS and run 2 benchmark scripts

    Okay? Not everybody has my values or beliefs. If you can do better than me, then do it. Nobody is stopping you.

    @dedotatedwam said:
    You uploaded a picture of your screen instead of taking a screenshot like a normal person. That tells me everything about the future success of your company.

    I've ran a business before... And yeah, I uploaded a picture instead of a screenshot because I had to go to work. Uploaded the picture and created thread when I was on break.> @james50a said:

    really dont get the point of this post tbh. Is the point of this advertising that you got a single server and are now somehow capable of being a reliable webhost or....

    As mentioned in the OP, I'm not going to mention the name on LET... Ever. So how is this advertising? I was just posting because... Why not?

    And who said this is a single server set up?

  • Don't think. Just start and rake in big monies

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  • brenthopkinsbrenthopkins Member
    edited August 2019

    @cybertech said:
    Don't think. Just start and rake in big monies

    I've given up on the idea... I developed the website, domain name, got DirectAdmin working, and just needed Blesta working...

    All this negativity really has got be me thinking it's not worth it, especially with everything going on with my life at the moment.

  • don't mind me asking then what server is that, more importantly what's CPU

    Remember the value of LET is purely based on its traffic.

  • @cybertech said:
    don't mind me asking then what server is that, more importantly what's CPU

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  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    @brenthopkins said:
    Okay? Not everybody has my values or beliefs. If you can do better than me, then do it. Nobody is stopping you.

    Frankly speaking, I just dont understand this thread at all, what is the purpose of this thread? Maybe to get post count for you to apply for provider tag? Why not reuse the previous thread?

    "Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always."

  • Well sir, I'd say slap a overpriced cPanel license on it (or DirectAdmin if you were smart, but you can't even make a screenshot on your own computer so I highly doubt you can even Google how DirectAdmin works) and Deadpool after 4 months :)

  • MrHMrH Member

    how is your health?

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    brenthopkins said: 70 websites/server is because of no overselling.

    LOL...what?

    So if I sign up, add 70 domains, and each of them gets 2 hits a week, you're going to devote an entire server to me?

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  • jsgjsg Member
    edited August 2019

    @brenthopkins said:
    70 websites/server is because of no overselling.

    Overselling is when you sell more than you have. In hosting that means that (tight definition) your servers load is frequently and for more than a couple of seconds over 100%. A more generous definition, that would be in line with what you seem to strive for, would be that the peak load (except for some occasional short spikes) is over 100%.

    As you might have noticed that, the load, depends on the users to a very large degree. Good normal users have occasional peaks while bad users have them frequently and there is no reasonable capacity planning (the way you do it) that prevents that.
    The proper way to deal with that problem is less a technical one than a human one and one of experience.

    Only x users/sites per server is, pardon me, simply idiotic. Don't get me wrong and don't take this personal but I'm under the impression that you lack very major ingredients for becoming a provider. I'd advise you to drop that plan and to think of something in a field where you have know-how and experience.

    Thanks no.

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  • @raindog308 said:

    brenthopkins said: 70 websites/server is because of no overselling.

    LOL...what?

    So if I sign up, add 70 domains, and each of them gets 2 hits a week, you're going to devote an entire server to me?

    At least he's trying not to err on the side of overselling too much!

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • jsgjsg Member

    @angstrom said:
    At least he's trying not to err on the side of overselling too much!

    Yes that's positive - but also highly likely deadly businesswise. Keep in mind what kind of market we are talking about. Unless you are a quite siginificant and large provider, for which either need lots of reputation, knowledge, and experience or loads of money, the game in this field is about having good sources for good 2nd hand hardware and cheap, saving on IP costs, etc. and all that in a market in which only very few really make a halfway decent living. Just think about how many customers you must find and keep who pay $50/years to pay for your rent, food, car, etc.

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    Thanks no.

  • @brenthopkins said: I was just posting because... Why not?

    This is LET. If someone starts a thread because "Why not?", they will generally be called out.

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    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • I mean a lot go good points made already so I don't need to say but but one thing really is that if LET has made you forget about hosting and give up already then this certainly isn't the market for you, the hosting industry is brutal, you will age about 20 year in the first 6 months, you will have days were you sit in a dark room and wonder why you even bother because honestly the Internet and the shit you get from some people really can get to you, then after a while you become like most of us on LET where we just talk utter nonsense and take the piss out of people.... So if you can't handle the banta I would suggest this isn't the industry for you.

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  • Is @brenthopkins still in time for a summer host? :wink:

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  • @jsg said:

    @angstrom said:
    At least he's trying not to err on the side of overselling too much!

    Yes that's positive - but also highly likely deadly businesswise. Keep in mind what kind of market we are talking about. Unless you are a quite siginificant and large provider, for which either need lots of reputation, knowledge, and experience or loads of money, the game in this field is about having good sources for good 2nd hand hardware and cheap, saving on IP costs, etc. and all that in a market in which only very few really make a halfway decent living. Just think about how many customers you must find and keep who pay $50/years to pay for your rent, food, car, etc.

    I intended my remark to be slightly (but not wholly) ironic, but yes. :smile:

    @brenthopkins: LET can appear/be brutal. I'm afraid that this is one of the first things you should learn if you want to post here.

    "Linux will run happily with only 4 MB of RAM, including all of the bells and whistles such as the X Window System, Emacs, and so on." (M. Welsh & L. Kaufman, Running Linux, 2e, 1996, p. 32)

  • @brenthopkins said:

    @cybertech said:
    Don't think. Just start and rake in big monies

    I've given up on the idea... I developed the website, domain name, got DirectAdmin working, and just needed Blesta working...

    All this negativity really has got be me thinking it's not worth it, especially with everything going on with my life at the moment.

    That's the right decision. This level of comments is 1/100 of dealing with low end customers. You simply don't have the motivation and drive to run such a business. That's not an insult (I'm same way) just reality.

    Better to figure that out now than months from now, stressed out and broke AF.

  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

    TimboJones said: That's the right decision. This level of comments is 1/100 of dealing with low end customers. You simply don't have the motivation and drive to run such a business. That's not an insult (I'm same way) just reality.

    Better to figure that out now and not be out $500 in chargeback fees and drowning in disputes

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  • JordJord Moderator, Provider

    Did someone mention Hetzner?

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  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited August 2019
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  • @brenthopkins said:
    I've given up on the idea...

    Well that was fast.

  • brenthopkins said: especially with everything going on with my life at the moment.

    School or steam sale on faved game?

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  • @brenthopkins said:
    I've given up on the idea...

    I always start my day with some (inspirational) cow thoughts. Today this came out:

    P.S.: I uploaded a picture instead of a screenshot because I'm late to work...

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  • yokowasisyokowasis Member
    edited August 2019

    Well, I was starting shared hosting business 2 years ago. I don't give a shit about managing server, I just buy reseller for $20 a year and let others managed it for me. Server is expensive as hell. You need to buy a lot of license and others shenanigans for it to work decently. I recommend Karen to do all the dirty work. She knows her stuff around server.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Provider

    If you need a summer job, remember : You'll make more money as a pizza Courrier.

  • If you were doing this for fun, honestly, good riddance. We already have enough summer, winter, fall, spring-hosts, and the year long deadpool hosts from CC.

    If you were doing this seriously, well, buying a generic OVH server, and then not having basic shared hosting knowledge isn't exactly the best way to go about this. Even if you don't have enough capital for a decent colo, you can probably do better than that for a rented dedi.

    But who knows? Maybe you were about to make millions and we fools ruined your perfectly good plans.

  • drserverdrserver Member, Host Rep

    @brenthopkins if you have enough money for all monthly expenses x 12, if you don't want to have any free time, if you don't like social life, if you like threads like this then start your Hosting business and don't listen to anyone here. You will most likely be successful as that is what it takes to have healthy start. How it will end it just depends on you.

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  • rchurchrchurch Member
    edited August 2019

    I should have done this 12 years ago when I had a 2Gb dedicated server and did some messing around with Xen. If you are serious about this then should have deep pockets and good support staff and endless patience, and work out some tax reduction schemes with a creative accountant.

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  • fLoofLoo Member
    edited August 2019

    @Daniel15 said:
    Also, dd is not a good benchmark technique, as caches will affect the time, and sequential writes are rarely an indication of real life performance (random reads happen far more often). You should use fio instead. See https://support.binarylane.com.au/support/solutions/articles/1000055889-how-to-benchmark-disk-i-o for a good writeup on it.

    OP most likely dont understand what you're telling. But hey, he succeeded in renting a server atleast :D Now lets serve the target audience (dumb spoiled kids) some "kick ass super gud webhosting" .. and probably some minecraft servers aswell ... because ... OP got NVMe :D

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    I thought about starting a hosting company about 5-6 years ago, mainly because I was already running a hosting company called "all my friends and family call the guy they know who's in IT".

    Got it spun up and moved all my friends/family over...advertised a little...then recovered my senses and moved it to a reseller.

    For LET support, please visit the support desk.

  • @raindog308
    Same career here. Nerve-wrecking. And those were just friends & family. Moved them all over to Knownhost, finally undisturbed holidays & weekends...

    For those who care:
    You can now find me at https://talk.lowendspirit.com or https://www.hostballs.com

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    Amitz said: Same career here. Nerve-wrecking. And those were just friends & family. Moved them all over to Knownhost, finally undisturbed holidays & weekends...

    Sheesh, you treat your friends/family pretty well...I just put mine a BuyShared LOL

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  • AmitzAmitz Member
    edited August 2019

    That's savage! But my friends & family are a spoiled bunch of snobs, admittedly.

    For those who care:
    You can now find me at https://talk.lowendspirit.com or https://www.hostballs.com

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    Amitz said: That's savage! But my friends & family are a spoiled bunch of snobs, admittedly.

    Been thinking about moving them to 2gbhosting...the testimonials really moved me.

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