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    My [email protected] account got hacked and they have [0 = FTG], time to spend my money elsewhere.
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    My [email protected] account got hacked and they have [0 = FTG], time to spend my money elsewhere.

    Howdy Y'all, this is my first Req. on LET, please be gentle.

    VZ Type: I'd like to be able to encrypt the drive, so not OpenVZ.

    Number of Cores: ~4

    RAM: ~4

    Disk Space: ~10x cores/RAM in GiB but it's not a storage intensive project.

    Disk Type: Not floppy

    Bandwidth: Not all that important, we don't get that much traffic. I'd rather get slowed than charged by the MiB.

    Port Speed: 100MiB+

    DDoS Protection: No, not until I piss someone off.

    Number of IPs: 1 IPv4

    Location: Canada (management requirement)

    Budget: ~$160 USD/annum

    Billing period: Up to yearly.

    This is for my small biz/tech support web presence and a few client/family/hobby sites, personal VPN, ChunkVNC repeater, and maybe a MineCraft server for 2-4 simultaneous players. Debian 8 or newer is the target OS.

    I've found a few decent offers at the $75 -$120 range, but I don't mind paying a bit more to not have lag/downtime as a frustration.

    Thanks in advance,

    -C.U.tech

    Comments

    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      4 dedicated cores, or 4 "kinda sometimes" cores, because you're saying minecraft

    • FlamesRunnerFlamesRunner Member
      edited August 19

      See Netcup or Hetzner Cloud. Not Canada, but will meet your other requirements just fine.

      Edit: HostDoc might work too -- https://clientsarea.hostdoc.co.uk/cart.php?a=add&pid=749 (about $7 p/m, 4GB RAM/3 vCPU/50GB HDD/Canada).

      Thanked by 1Hetzner_OL

      wget https://s.flamz.pw/dl/bench.sh && bash bench.sh

      curl https://s.flamz.pw/analytics/bench/stats.php

    • cutechcutech Member

      The MC server is the last thing I'm concerned with, as it's just myself and a friend or two, mostly switching to the remote server when I'm maintenanceing or it gets really hot in my home lab.

      Coming from a [email protected] instance it'll probably be a step up in any case. I'm not trying to knock them, their performance has been decent recently, I couldn't get my account restored through their support site so now I'm looking for a new host.

    • @cutech

      Oh, basically any host will outperform CAC. Especially with a budget of ~$10/month, you should be able to find something that works.

      wget https://s.flamz.pw/dl/bench.sh && bash bench.sh

      curl https://s.flamz.pw/analytics/bench/stats.php

    • cutechcutech Member

      Yeah, ~$16-$20/month isn't quite "low end" but it is 2019.
      I'd go for one of those dedicated ARM64 servers but I use VirtualMin, and they don't officially support ARM. [email protected] was able to run Odoo 11 and the nginx reverse proxy SSL to Apache2 well enough, I'll keep my fingers crossed. :^)

    • williewillie Member

      Don't put the biz stuff and the minecraft (or even the other personal stuff) on the same server. Virtualization exists so you can separate stuff out. For the minecraft, wait for an OVH flash sale and get a cheap dedi (BHS location = Beauharnois, Quebec). For the biz stuff, it sounds like a small VPS suffices, so @gestiondbi, Lunanode ( @perennate ), and OVH are all possibilities. There may be one or two others I'm forgetting.

      Is it only tbe biz stuff that has to be in Canada, or do you want everything there? Europe is probably too much latency, but US may open some possibilities.

    • uptimeuptime Member
      edited August 19

      @freerangecloud has a couple locations in Canada and may even be able to do a nice KVM resource pool in your budget with those specs

      EDIT2: and +1 for Lunanode - their system has some useful features, well worth a closer look

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

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    • gestiondbigestiondbi Member, Provider

      @willie said:
      Don't put the biz stuff and the minecraft (or even the other personal stuff) on the same server. Virtualization exists so you can separate stuff out. For the minecraft, wait for an OVH flash sale and get a cheap dedi (BHS location = Beauharnois, Quebec). For the biz stuff, it sounds like a small VPS suffices, so @gestiondbi, Lunanode ( @perennate ), and OVH are all possibilities. There may be one or two others I'm forgetting.

      Is it only tbe biz stuff that has to be in Canada, or do you want everything there? Europe is probably too much latency, but US may open some possibilities.

      Thanks for the recommandation. We got both OVZ and KVM in Montreal. If op is interested, he can open a Sales ticket so we can arrange something for him.

      But I agree, fun and work should not be on the same VPS.

      Regards,
      David

      Gestion DBI Inc. | IT Consulting, Telecommunications, Domotic/Security and Hosting provider.
      DeepNet Solutions | OpenVZ VPS for Cheap! | Only the best Cloud KVM VPS.

    • @Francisco said:
      "what is a cock account?"

      It's a cack account ;)

      Support open-source, go on, you know you want to.

      Long live LowEndInfo / LES

    • freerangecloudfreerangecloud Member, Provider

      We have some resource pools (https://freerangecloud.com/cart.php?gid=13) which would fit your budget if you wanted the ability to spin up your own VMs, otherwise I could probably bump up the core count on our Farm plan (https://freerangecloud.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=98)

      Right now we only have Canadian stock available in our Winnipeg location.

      VPS, Shared Hosting, Routed Subnets and more - https://freerangecloud.com

    • cutechcutech Member
      edited August 20

      FRC's Resource Pool 8192 with 10 vCPU cores looks solid @ $192/yr with 2x IPv4 (bandwidth/metering not stated)

      Also, their Farm VPS (4GB [email protected] GHz Xeon X5570 1xIPv4 $13/mo) came up in my server hunt criteria along with...

      DataPacket.net's VServer - 4GB KVM
      However, something seems to be wrong or a typo with their offering:
      16 Intel Xeon E5 (?1650?) CPU Cores (as 16 isn't a multiple of the 1650 @ 6c/12t )
      300 GB SSD
      4 GB Ram...
      ...500 GB Bandwidth
      Annual payments receive 3 months Free (e.g. $72/yr)
      IPv4/6 isn't stated.

      There is also a dedicated offering: https://manager.microserum.net/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0&language=english @ €21.94EUR/mo but tha'ts without IPv4 (available @ €4/mo).

      Reviews for datapacket.net aside 2x their 16 core offering is looking to be near FRC's pool, but seems sketchy to me.

      Thank y'all for your time and attention.

      C.U.tech

      [Edit]
      2x https://clientsarea.hostdoc.co.uk/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=1 looks to be on par with their "unlimited" network (assuming 1x IPv4 per instance) and their granular add-on matrix for cores, memory, storage etc.

      [Edit 2]
      $16/mo KVM 24 cores 16 GB 60 GB 1,000 Mbit Unlimited Unmetered (IPv4/6 not specified)
      But, it's in New York, not Canada.
      https://www.serverhunter.com/offer/hostthebest-nyckvm16gb/

    • If i were you, i'd go with a kimsufi box in CA already.

      Otherwise, https://extravm.com

    • cutechcutech Member
      edited August 20

      I went with Data Packet Network (datapacket.net) at their VServer 4GB tier [KVM]:
      16 core (8c/16t), 4GB RAM, 300GB Disk 500GB/month bandwidth 1x IPv4
      @$61.20/year (3 months free with yearly package and recurring 15% promo code)

      It provisioned in almost exactly one hour.

      CPU model : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz

      Number of cores : 16
      CPU frequency : 2593.748 MHz
      Total size of Disk : 310.0 GB (1.1 GB Used)
      Total amount of Mem : 4164 MB (109 MB Used)
      Total amount of Swap : 4317 MB (0 MB Used)
      System uptime : 0 days, 3 hour 28 min
      Load average : 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
      OS : Debian GNU/Linux 10
      Arch : x86_64 (64 Bit)
      Kernel : 4.19.0-5-amd64

      I/O speed(1st run) : 277 MB/s
      I/O speed(2nd run) : 1.3 GB/s
      I/O speed(3rd run) : 1.3 GB/s

      Average I/O speed : 979.8 MB/s

      Node Name IPv4 address Download Speed

      CacheFly 205.234.175.175 34.9MB/s
      Linode, Tokyo2, JP 139.162.65.37 12.6MB/s
      Linode, Singapore, SG 139.162.23.4 9.42MB/s
      Linode, London, UK 176.58.107.39 17.0MB/s
      Linode, Frankfurt, DE 139.162.130.8 15.4MB/s
      Linode, Fremont, CA 50.116.14.9 17.0MB/s
      Softlayer, Dallas, TX 173.192.68.18 32.5MB/s
      Softlayer, Seattle, WA 67.228.112.250 13.3MB/s
      Softlayer, Frankfurt, DE 159.122.69.4 15.9MB/s
      Softlayer, Singapore, SG 119.81.28.170 4.57MB/s
      Softlayer, HongKong, CN 119.81.130.170 10.4MB/s

    • @cutech said:
      I went with Data Packet Network (datapacket.net) at their VServer 4GB tier [KVM]:
      16 core (8c/16t), 4GB RAM, 300GB Disk 500GB/month bandwidth 1x IPv4
      @$61.20/year (3 months free with yearly package and recurring 15% promo code)

      It provisioned in almost exactly one hour.

      CPU model : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz

      Number of cores : 16
      CPU frequency : 2593.748 MHz
      Total size of Disk : 310.0 GB (1.1 GB Used)
      Total amount of Mem : 4164 MB (109 MB Used)
      Total amount of Swap : 4317 MB (0 MB Used)
      System uptime : 0 days, 3 hour 28 min
      Load average : 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
      OS : Debian GNU/Linux 10
      Arch : x86_64 (64 Bit)
      Kernel : 4.19.0-5-amd64

      I/O speed(1st run) : 277 MB/s
      I/O speed(2nd run) : 1.3 GB/s
      I/O speed(3rd run) : 1.3 GB/s

      Average I/O speed : 979.8 MB/s

      Node Name IPv4 address Download Speed

      CacheFly 205.234.175.175 34.9MB/s
      Linode, Tokyo2, JP 139.162.65.37 12.6MB/s
      Linode, Singapore, SG 139.162.23.4 9.42MB/s
      Linode, London, UK 176.58.107.39 17.0MB/s
      Linode, Frankfurt, DE 139.162.130.8 15.4MB/s
      Linode, Fremont, CA 50.116.14.9 17.0MB/s
      Softlayer, Dallas, TX 173.192.68.18 32.5MB/s
      Softlayer, Seattle, WA 67.228.112.250 13.3MB/s
      Softlayer, Frankfurt, DE 159.122.69.4 15.9MB/s
      Softlayer, Singapore, SG 119.81.28.170 4.57MB/s
      Softlayer, HongKong, CN 119.81.130.170 10.4MB/s

      Is it good? During Actual usage

      Thanked by 1hzr

      relentless collector of highest clocked, highest performing KVM/NVMe/Gbit VPSes at the most competitive rates. just to hard idle them. zero knowledge on coding/programming; a mere hobbyist.

    • FYI, on any provider, if it's an unmanaged server, that's your responsibility and they'll all have zero FTG except for their network and clients.

      A company I used to work for had a server managed by Rackspace and paying over $450/mo and they had zero FTG when we informed them the server was hacked. No credit, no apologies. Just hassle because they didn't accept verbal cancellation and expected 30 days notice in writing.

      What exactly was your expectation?

      Since CAC doesn't care about network or clients, prepare for even less care if you let your next server get hacked. Cac won't kick you for being a bad client, other providers will.

    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      I thought datapacket did dedis in prague? or am I misreading something?

    • I researched Datapacket.net and seems that it got a mixbag of reviews since 2007 (most were wrtiting scam! scam!oneoen!!11!), and not much of recent years (2018 at most but that's it) although I find the reviews lackluster...

      I've read their TOS and I understand that there's vague statement (only to imply don't be a dick, but I need specific info) of fair use policy such as the CPU usage which I've been looking for to use for my CPU-heavy tasks. I'm about to bite on that 16-core but for all I know it could be 10% :lol:

      I wanted to shoot a ticket for the specifics, but I realised I could just use LunaNode's cloud instead since I don't really need the storage and 24/7 uptime. Anyway, OP should be aware that the aforementioned provider has nasty history (search on Google) and be prepared lest of a 'disaster.'

      Thanked by 1uptime
    • cutechcutech Member
      edited October 13

      A month in, I've had no downtime, but I cant recommend since there is no control panel available.

      Details below as of tonight:

      The upload speed from my home workstation was limited by my ISP (Comca$t [email protected]/s) but, Sysbench basic runs tonight are below.
      (tl;dr Their support is timely even when I'm breaking things at 2:am PST and they're in Quebec)

      Sysbench:

      sysbench 0.4.12:  multi-threaded system evaluation benchmark
      
      Running the test with following options:
      Number of threads: 1
      
      Doing CPU performance benchmark
      
      Threads started!
      Done.
      
      Maximum prime number checked in CPU test: 10000
      
      
      Test execution summary:
          total time:                          10.9348s
          total number of events:              10000
          total time taken by event execution: 10.9336
          per-request statistics:
               min:                                  1.02ms
               avg:                                  1.09ms
               max:                                  1.59ms
               approx.  95 percentile:               1.14ms
      
      Threads fairness:
          events (avg/stddev):           10000.0000/0.00
          execution time (avg/stddev):   10.9336/0.00
          
      sysbench --test=memory run
      
      [email protected]:~# sysbench --test=memory run
      sysbench 0.4.12:  multi-threaded system evaluation benchmark
      
      Running the test with following options:
      Number of threads: 1
      
      Doing memory operations speed test
      Memory block size: 1K
      
      Memory transfer size: 102400M
      
      Memory operations type: write
      Memory scope type: global
      Threads started!
      Done.
      
      Operations performed: 104857600 (2984425.74 ops/sec)
      
      102400.00 MB transferred (2914.48 MB/sec)
      
      
      Test execution summary:
          total time:                          35.1349s
          total number of events:              104857600
          total time taken by event execution: 28.0261
          per-request statistics:
               min:                                  0.00ms
               avg:                                  0.00ms
               max:                                  0.89ms
               approx.  95 percentile:               0.00ms
      
      Threads fairness:
          events (avg/stddev):           104857600.0000/0.00
          execution time (avg/stddev):   28.0261/0.00
      
      
      sysbench --test=fileio --file-test-mode=seqwr run
      
      sysbench --test=fileio --file-test-mode=seqwr run
      sysbench 0.4.12:  multi-threaded system evaluation benchmark
      
      Running the test with following options:
      Number of threads: 1
      
      Extra file open flags: 0
      128 files, 16Mb each
      2Gb total file size
      Block size 16Kb
      Periodic FSYNC enabled, calling fsync() each 100 requests.
      Calling fsync() at the end of test, Enabled.
      Using synchronous I/O mode
      Doing sequential write (creation) test
      Threads started!
      Done.
      
      Operations performed:  0 Read, 131072 Write, 128 Other = 131200 Total
      Read 0b  Written 2Gb  Total transferred 2Gb  (641.82Mb/sec)
      41076.18 Requests/sec executed
      
      Test execution summary:
          total time:                          3.1909s
          total number of events:              131072
          total time taken by event execution: 2.8575
          per-request statistics:
               min:                                  0.01ms
               avg:                                  0.02ms
               max:                                  9.12ms
               approx.  95 percentile:               0.06ms
      
      Threads fairness:
          events (avg/stddev):           131072.0000/0.00
          execution time (avg/stddev):   2.8575/0.00
      

      Speedtest:

      speedtest-cli --server 5404
      Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
      Testing from QuadraNet (155.94.254.74)...
      Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
      Retrieving information for the selected server...
      Hosted by Suddenlink Communications LLC (College Station, TX) [251.56 km]: 22.0 ms
      Testing download speed................................................................................
      Download: 251.07 Mbit/s
      Testing upload speed................................................................................................
      Upload: 33.94 Mbit/s
      [email protected]:/tmp# speedtest-cli --server 10100
      Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
      Testing from QuadraNet (155.94.254.74)...
      Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
      Retrieving information for the selected server...
      Hosted by Delta Network (Ilha Grande) [7004.95 km]: 135.436 ms
      Testing download speed................................................................................
      Download: 105.24 Mbit/s
      Testing upload speed................................................................................................
      Upload: 21.88 Mbit/s
      [email protected]:/tmp# speedtest-cli --server 6969
      Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
      Testing from QuadraNet (155.94.254.74)...
      Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
      Retrieving information for the selected server...
      Hosted by Beeline KZ (Aktobe) [10428.27 km]: 213.32 ms
      Testing download speed................................................................................
      Download: 73.14 Mbit/s
      Testing upload speed................................................................................................
      Upload: 13.31 Mbit/s
      

      I'll do a per cpu x16 later.

      Mod edit: formatting :]

    • @cutech said:
      A month in, I've had no downtime, but I cant recommend since there is no control panel available.

      Details below as of tonight:

      The upload speed from my home workstation was limited by my ISP (Comca$t [email protected]/s) but, Sysbench basic runs tonight are:
      (tl;dr Their support is timely even when I'm breaking things at 2:am PST and they're in Quebec):

      sysbench 0.4.12: multi-threaded system evaluation benchmark

      Running the test with following options:
      Number of threads: 1

      Doing CPU performance benchmark

      Threads started!
      Done.

      Maximum prime number checked in CPU test: 10000

      Test execution summary:
      total time: 10.9348s
      total number of events: 10000
      total time taken by event execution: 10.9336
      per-request statistics:
      min: 1.02ms
      avg: 1.09ms
      max: 1.59ms
      approx. 95 percentile: 1.14ms

      Threads fairness:
      events (avg/stddev): 10000.0000/0.00
      execution time (avg/stddev): 10.9336/0.00

      sysbench --test=memory run

      [email protected]:~# sysbench --test=memory run
      sysbench 0.4.12: multi-threaded system evaluation benchmark

      Running the test with following options:
      Number of threads: 1

      Doing memory operations speed test
      Memory block size: 1K

      Memory transfer size: 102400M

      Memory operations type: write
      Memory scope type: global
      Threads started!
      Done.

      Operations performed: 104857600 (2984425.74 ops/sec)

      102400.00 MB transferred (2914.48 MB/sec)

      Test execution summary:
      total time: 35.1349s
      total number of events: 104857600
      total time taken by event execution: 28.0261
      per-request statistics:
      min: 0.00ms
      avg: 0.00ms
      max: 0.89ms
      approx. 95 percentile: 0.00ms

      Threads fairness:
      events (avg/stddev): 104857600.0000/0.00
      execution time (avg/stddev): 28.0261/0.00

      sysbench --test=fileio --file-test-mode=seqwr run

      sysbench --test=fileio --file-test-mode=seqwr run
      sysbench 0.4.12: multi-threaded system evaluation benchmark

      Running the test with following options:
      Number of threads: 1

      Extra file open flags: 0
      128 files, 16Mb each
      2Gb total file size
      Block size 16Kb
      Periodic FSYNC enabled, calling fsync() each 100 requests.
      Calling fsync() at the end of test, Enabled.
      Using synchronous I/O mode
      Doing sequential write (creation) test
      Threads started!
      Done.

      Operations performed: 0 Read, 131072 Write, 128 Other = 131200 Total
      Read 0b Written 2Gb Total transferred 2Gb (641.82Mb/sec)
      41076.18 Requests/sec executed

      Test execution summary:
      total time: 3.1909s
      total number of events: 131072
      total time taken by event execution: 2.8575
      per-request statistics:
      min: 0.01ms
      avg: 0.02ms
      max: 9.12ms
      approx. 95 percentile: 0.06ms

      Threads fairness:
      events (avg/stddev): 131072.0000/0.00
      execution time (avg/stddev): 2.8575/0.00

      speedtest-cli --server 5404
      Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
      Testing from QuadraNet (155.94.254.74)...
      Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
      Retrieving information for the selected server...
      Hosted by Suddenlink Communications LLC (College Station, TX) [251.56 km]: 22.0 ms
      Testing download speed................................................................................
      Download: 251.07 Mbit/s
      Testing upload speed................................................................................................
      Upload: 33.94 Mbit/s
      [email protected]:/tmp# speedtest-cli --server 10100
      Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
      Testing from QuadraNet (155.94.254.74)...
      Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
      Retrieving information for the selected server...
      Hosted by Delta Network (Ilha Grande) [7004.95 km]: 135.436 ms
      Testing download speed................................................................................
      Download: 105.24 Mbit/s
      Testing upload speed................................................................................................
      Upload: 21.88 Mbit/s
      [email protected]:/tmp# speedtest-cli --server 6969
      Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
      Testing from QuadraNet (155.94.254.74)...
      Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
      Retrieving information for the selected server...
      Hosted by Beeline KZ (Aktobe) [10428.27 km]: 213.32 ms
      Testing download speed................................................................................
      Download: 73.14 Mbit/s
      Testing upload speed................................................................................................
      Upload: 13.31 Mbit/s

      I'll do a per cpu x16 later.

      Please use formatting for test results in the future.

      The control panel is at panel.cloudatcost.com. I don't know how you even managed to create the server without the control panel, so I'm confused AF by what you mean. If you're talking about a panel like Direct Admin, that's a feature some providers have, not a typical included VPS feature everywhere.

      I suspect that upload speeds are capped at 40Mbps. A few times bandwidth monitoring showed some really flat numbers at 40Mbps, but often don't get close to that anyway. Their v3 upgrade mentions high network speeds...

    • [email protected] has responded to my most recent PW reset and I now have access to my control panel again (the PW reset took only a few minutes to get to my email this time).

      My server @ https://datapacket.net/ is still fast and stable, and if I can # reboot, I don't have to enter a ticket to get the server restarted [thank you Virtualmin].

      Now, do I spend another ~$105US to upgrade my 12Cx12GBx140GB to [email protected]'s new vPro3 {promises no yearly fee}, or do the cats get a new cardboard box?
      [Cats will get new box].

      Thank's y'all for your input.

    • You can reboot by typing reboot via ssh btw

      Thanked by 1rajprakash

      lurking in the shadows like a wombat or some shit

    • @cutech said:
      [email protected] has responded to my most recent PW reset and I now have access to my control panel again (the PW reset took only a few minutes to get to my email this time).

      My server @ https://datapacket.net/ is still fast and stable, and if I can # reboot, I don't have to enter a ticket to get the server restarted [thank you Virtualmin].

      Now, do I spend another ~$105US to upgrade my 12Cx12GBx140GB to [email protected]'s new vPro3 {promises no yearly fee}, or do the cats get a new cardboard box?
      [Cats will get new box].

      Thank's y'all for your input.

      I paid the $35 fee to upgrade a 4 core, 2GB, 40GB server (old company I worked for had some NTP servers but they kept dying because CAC sucks). I wasted the weekend trying to get Centos 8 installed by netboot.xyz. Worked first time on the V1 account but didn't work on the V3 account with a dozen tries. Eventually, I saw Centos installer crashed when couldn't wipe disk but didn't crash for V1. Go figure. Eventually, I switched to installing Debian 10. Will run benchmark today. Will see if network is capped at 40Mbps and disk capped to 30MB/s or less. The V1 hardware reads were 5MB/s.

      On the V3 hardware running centos 7, it couldn't finish any benchmark scripts that all my other servers worked.

      It didn't leave me with the impression that paying the upgrade fee will result in better servers.

    • I had issues running netboot.xyz, changing DNS (e.g. 1.1.1.1 to 9.9.9.9) worked for me on a per instance basis.

    • @cutech said:
      I had issues running netboot.xyz, changing DNS (e.g. 1.1.1.1 to 9.9.9.9) worked for me on a per instance basis.

      OpenDNS worked better than Google, too.

      But the problem was during install itself. It could be because disk write speed was less than 2MB/s.

      Tl;dr CAC is still a useless money hole to avoid.

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