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Any unlimited cloud storage like google?

StyxStyx Member

I know it was possible to get a unlimited account before, but doesnt seem possible anymore. Because hdds in dedis are expensive, im looking at options to get a cloud storage service instead. Main usage is streaming media files, and storing backups.

Would be fantastic if it can be mounteed as a local drive to a server (to use plex), but its not a must.

Please give me your experienses in "unlimited storage" companies. Preferably EU, because im using Hetzner dedis. Thank you

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  • StyxStyx Member

    I noticed that dropbox do provide unlimited storage for their business plan, if you have 3 or more users. Can a moderator confirm for me if i can post a thread about this, to "sell" the other 2 accounts ? Will be 18 euros per month per user for unlimited storage, looks like a good deal to me

  • GSuite: https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html

    But min 5 users for "unlimited".

  • StyxStyx Member

    @CyberneticTitan said:
    GSuite: https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html

    But min 5 users for "unlimited".

    Still alot cheaper then what dropbox would be per user. Thanks!

  • williewillie Member

    How much space are you talking about? Hetzner SX62 is hard to beat.

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  • StyxStyx Member

    Looks like google allows me unlimited storage on a single account, even thouth it says 5 is needed. Will test this.

    In total, we are talking about 70 TB`s right now. Google just gave me this for 10 euros / month

  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    uptime said: That is all.

    Also, one more thing ... for the low-end lulz: https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/112656/review-special-offer-1fichier-unlimited-file-hosting-storage-100gb-mo-cdn-for-10-year/p1

    Super cheap, super janky, but good for 2 TB enduring storage and maybe up to 30 TB files that will be deleted after 60 days unless paying for more "cold" storage (the 30 TB soft cap is the most recently reported by someone pushing to find the limit - so that may come down as more freaks load the system up with their HD porn archives or whatever ...)

    EDIT2: I guess for 70 TB enduring storage the cheapest "solution" from 1fichier would be to get 35 separate accounts, which would run you maybe $700 per year at most recent "special" discounted rates. So at that point you would probably be looking at a better deal from Google if you just did the business GSuite with 5 users paying monthly at $10 or €10 or whatever it is per user now - I think that's the only real "legit, much less likely to get the rug pulled out from under you" deal currently offered for "unlimited" storage from Google.

    EDIT3: I wonder if Google pricing may be less in India (for example) ...?

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  • m4num4nu Member, Patron Provider

    There are some coupons around for GSuite that give you 20% off for a year or so. Sadly they also raised their prices a few months ago.

    You can still have unlimited space with a single user. The question is only for how long. They may start enforcing the limit eventually.

    In the end all those "unlimited" plans just live off the assumption that a few users will use less space and some more. So it evens out when you have enough users.

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  • williewillie Member

    I think there is enough load from datahoarder that they notice it sooner or later. There are various posts there about people who eventually got kicked off. 1fichier also was unlimited in the past, and hubic got hosed when OVH customers started backing up servers with it. 70TB is a lot of storage for a hobbyist. Even if you can temporarily skate by on cloud storage, you probably ought to have a contingency plan about moving it elsewhere.

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  • @willie said:
    I think there is enough load from datahoarder that they notice it sooner or later. There are various posts there about people who eventually got kicked off.

    I have never seen one while subbed there for the last three years and I actively search for these posts. Could you please provide one of these posts?

    I agree with you, by the way. It is a matter of time that G Suite gets hard limited, or that they enforce the 5 users limit.

  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    iirc the big datahoarder shakeout maybe a year or two ago was all about the Amazon ... maybe concerns wrt google more recently seem to be about using with plex cf rate limiting or per-diem bandwidth caps ...? Dunno, haven't been paying much attention to the over-the-top TB scene (yet).

  • StyxStyx Member

    Currently moving data to google. I also talked to dropbox customer support, and threre is really no limit there if i can trust the support, but i must have 3 users for 20 euros / month. Also upload to google is alot faster than dropbox.

    Long term plan is to invest in a file server hosted at home, but ya know, tha monays.

  • StyxStyx Member

    For the record, because i just created a g suite business account that i have confirmed and all that, i can give people unlimited gdrive for 15 euros per month, if someone is interested.

  • edfoxedfox Member

    Keep in mind now 1fichier whenever you go past 2TB offers you to buy more storage for 2€/1TB.

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    Styx said: For the record [...]

    lol

    ummmmm dude ... might want take a minute to reflect on that, maybe even check in with a mod for the finer points on the wisdom of that particular manuever.

    Not flagging, just saying.

    And, good luck with your unlimited storage, I guess!

    edfox said: Keep in mind now 1fichier whenever you go past 2TB offers you to buy more storage for 2€/1TB.

    Are you sure that's the price they quote? I thought they charged quite a bit more for extra TB's ... (going to go check now)

    EDIT2:

    ok - checking 1fichier I see current price offered to me seems to be €3 per TB per month ... or €24 yearly or €36 for 3 years - which are all decent prices but still more than it would be to just get another account for (let's say) €15 a year (or whatever discounted voucher price I can score) which would give me another 2 TB of cold storage per year per account.

    Even at their current list price of €22 yearly for a 2 TB account seems that would still be a better deal than buying an extra 2 TB à la carte - unless I wanted to have all my TB's together in a single account I guess.

    Or am I missing some trick here?

  • vyas11vyas11 Member
    edited July 2019

    @styx

    No intention to hijack the thread but Just curious... And been meaning to ask for some time.
    LET folks
    What are the advantages of a self managed VPS storage solution versus a off the shelf one like gdrive?

    Also if we exclude the 1 fichier pricing for the moment, how does the upto 4 TB 'lifetime' plan of someone like a Thunder drive compare ? They have a 2TB/ 79 US Dollar deal plus one time $45 for additional 2 TB.

    I am aware that the lifetime concept does not find much capital here. But I treat a 'lifetime' deal to have a three to four year validity.

    With that logic, the $125 US Dollars for 4 TB over 36 months works out to about 86 US Cents per TB per month. Or
    For the 2 TB Plan, a little over 1 dollar per month.

    After that period, either I (personally) or we (my businesses) would have outgrown such deals, or technology would have changed, or the service provider would have pivoted. Or one of us shuts shop. Hopefully not us.


    Note:

    Not promoting any provider not deal, you may notice I have not added any links leave alone ref. Also I am interested in the rationale than one provider over another.Would be equally happy to pay the 350 Dollars for 2 TB PCloud plan if it makes sense.

    Added later: not really meaning to pay $350 for PCloud, as @uptime mentioned below waiting for a sale makes sense..

  • Please what is "cold storage"?

  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    vyas11 said: 350 Dollars for 2 TB PCloud plan if it makes sense

    mmmm yeah no maybe wait for a sale. I paid about $60 for a 500 GB Pcloud "lifetime" deal a couple years ago - I think that discount came through xda-developers forum but there are a few more specific "dealhound" venues such as stacksocial. I don't know anything about Thunder Drive - best to get feedback from people who've tried it and of course check for horror stories and corporate info and reputation.

    Basically, you pays your money and you takes your chances I guess. It helps to do a bit of research and ask around - some (many) of the "cloud storage" deals are indeed various flavors of rubbish. And to be sure, some won't last another year, let alone 3 or 5 or whatever your hoped-for breakeven point might be.

    To answer the "why cloud vs my own VPS storage" question - I think that for the vast majority of people, managing their own VPS is just not a viable option. So that's the end of their decision tree right there.

    For me, a self-managed dedicated server or VPS is my first choice for storage but it's possible that a cloud service might offer something competative in terms of:

    1) price (see 1fichier)
    2) redundancy (see Hetzner storage box, etc etc)
    3) security (if I am lame about my own sysadmin duties)
    4) convenience (YMMV, but see above, and below)
    5) features (see draggy droppy pointy clicky droplr)

    So while I might be able to DIY items 2) through 5) as I see fit, sometimes I might be curious to see what the other side of that deal looks like.

    And that leaves price as perhaps the most compelling factor, which can be increasingly difficult to ignore when wrangling more than a few TB. At a certain point it may make sense to take advantage of economies of scale, loss leaders, venture capital funding, or whatever it is that makes the GSuite and/or 1fichier-type deals happen, at least as long as they last.

  • vyas11vyas11 Member
    edited July 2019

    Great list of reasons. Not for me versus DIY was implicit but the rest are awesome. VC funded discounting works for me as well.. and since we are discussing on LET let us exclude Cpanel from the VC funded discounting talk. Thx

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  • uptimeuptime Member

    @Piroquinha said:
    Please what is "cold storage"?

    the term actually has different meanings - generally speaking, for something like Amazon Glacier it means the data is not immediately accessible, but may be retrieved after a delay of some hours or possibly longer. (Imagine perhaps they've even got the data on a tape in a warehouse somewhere - just to paint a picture.)

    In the context of the 1fichier deal, it means that the data was last uploaded and/or downloaded over 60 days ago. So if I upload just 2 TB to my 1fichier account I can just let it sit and it will remain there for a year (and longer if I keep paying for more years).

    But if I upload 5 TB, and just leave the data alone after that - then after 60 days 1fichier will delete all but 2 TB (my "cold storage" quota). I'm not sure how they determine which 2 TB will remain - I'm guessing first in, first out all other things being equal until there's just 2 TB left.

    Now - if I were to upload 5 TB and then download all of those 5 TB every 59 days then it's considered "hot storage" - which is advertised by 1fichier to be "unlimited" but seems to actually have a soft cap possibly around 30 TB the last time someone reported being asked to reduce their data use after pushing past that amount.

    Note that 1fichier also limits (or charges extra) for download bandwidth so the idea to download 30 TB every 2 months might hit a snag somewhere. I'm not sure if partial downloads count to move a file from "cold" to "hot" status but you can be sure that some crafty cheapskates have investigated that possibility as well.

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  • khaledkhaled Member

    I'm not promoting this product nor recommending it as I never used it. Lifetime 10 TB 99.99 USD not a bad deal.

    degoo.com

    pm if you want the promo link. Unless it's ok to post it here.

  • abubinabubin Member

    Is it really unlimited with only 1 user in gsuite? Maybe still in trial mode? I too am looking for people to join into my 5 users account or I don't mind joining someone with slot available.

  • edfoxedfox Member

    @vyas11 said:
    @styx

    No intention to hijack the thread but Just curious... And been meaning to ask for some time.
    LET folks
    What are the advantages of a self managed VPS storage solution versus a off the shelf one like gdrive?

    You can usually mount it using sshfs or similar on your server, to have better performance. Additionally, all the files are stored under one single drive on one node. Shelf ones require APIs, strange requests, and are of course much slower also becuse every file is in a different server or even DC.

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  • ITLabsITLabs Member

    @Piroquinha said:
    Please what is "cold storage"?

    The term refers to the storage of data that is rarely accessed. Cold data must be retained for business or compliance purposes on a long-term basis. Generally it's cheaper than primary storage (HDD, SSD etc) used for "live" data.

  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    @khaled did you mean to post this twice?

    Please be aware that links with embedded utm codes are generally to be avoided.

    If you want to post an affiliate link then can just mark it clearly as such, and maybe think twice about whether it will be seen as spammy.

    I'm not sure I appreciate being pitched a degoo deal without more details about the service - seems a bit sketchy if I remember correctly that it requires installing an app for filesharing or something like that? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

  • hzrhzr Member

    uptime said: If you want to post an affiliate link then can just mark it clearly as such, and maybe think twice about whether it will be seen as spammy.

    I edited the tracking out, but it is not khaled's affiliate link iirc, it is a stacksocial affiliate by the popular site boingboing.net

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  • Watch this video. Linus abused google storage which labeled as unlimited
    youtube.com/watch?v=y2F0wjoKEhg

  • vyas11vyas11 Member
    edited July 2019

    @uptime said:

    if I remember correctly that it requires installing an app for filesharing or something like that? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

    I recall reading that under their 'free ' 100 gb plan you had to agree to let them use your computing resources for crypto mining. Not in the paid plan IIRC.

    The Degoo deal (and various incarnation of the zoolz deals) have been around for > 18 months.

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  • khaledkhaled Member

    @uptime said:
    @khaled did you mean to post this twice?

    Please be aware that links with embedded utm codes are generally to be avoided.

    If you want to post an affiliate link then can just mark it clearly as such, and maybe think twice about whether it will be seen as spammy.

    I'm not sure I appreciate being pitched a degoo deal without more details about the service - seems a bit sketchy if I remember correctly that it requires installing an app for filesharing or something like that? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

    As mentioned above never used them so can't vouch for/against them neither it's an affil link.

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  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited July 2019

    @khaled said:

    @uptime said:
    @khaled did you mean to post this twice?

    Please be aware that links with embedded utm codes are generally to be avoided.

    If you want to post an affiliate link then can just mark it clearly as such, and maybe think twice about whether it will be seen as spammy.

    I'm not sure I appreciate being pitched a degoo deal without more details about the service - seems a bit sketchy if I remember correctly that it requires installing an app for filesharing or something like that? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

    As mentioned above never used them so can't vouch for/against them neither it's an affil link.

    Alrighty then ... carry on!

    But do tell - y tho?

    EDIT2: For the brave and/or foolish - and for the lulz - here is the link to the "10 TB" deal from the double post that was removed (thanks @hzr) - but with all the utm code dingleberries snipped:

    https://store.boingboing.net/sales/degoo-premium-lifetime-backup-plans-10tb

    Maybe some brave soul wants to dig deeper into the wonderful world of degoo - I personally would not put any app from them on my computer without some serious vetting.

    Anyway thanks for your contribution to this noble quest for beaucoup TB of dubious provenance @khaled :)

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