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How much would it cost?
We have a £3000 - £5000 max budget but i have been offered a panel for less than £1000 though it has a few bugs so not sure about it.
Any offers let me know, we will make the panel have a free version and paid version, pro version would have an option to offer shared reseller hosting. The free version you can sell shared hosting but not reseller hosting.
Because the panel will be free we will not be making any scripts for whmcs or blesta, we will leave that down to end users. Also planning a billing system that works with the panel free and pro version.
We want to make money from the panel but also offer it for free to encourage people to contribute to plugins etc.
Clone of cPanel is what we want basically, obviously, this cannot be achieved 100% due to legal reasons but something close enough.
This post is to gather information and generate offers based on the ideas presented above.
The panel would be using a customised bootstrap left side admin panel, end-user panel.
We can maintain the panel and have basic knowledge of PHP & Python etc.
Some members here live in a fantasy world this can be done for maybe $600 so anyone saying my budget is too small must not understand the real world.
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It's one thing to buy a cp built by someone else. Your budget could very well be sufficient. It's a whole different story to have it maintained in terms of security features.
If anyone could make a panel, they would not sell it to you for that price. They'd rather license it to other companies and make a recurring profit out of it.
If it is £5000 monthly, you will surely receive many offers.
imho Python Selekter is an important requirement for this project.
I think this part would be what most folks would have concern with - basic knowledge isn't enough TBH
YAWPIP (yet another web panel in PHP)? Save the efforts and the money because you'll end up as just one fish in a pond with many, many fishes.
What is really needed, albeit not by the millions of mindless morons who accept almost anything they can click on, is a panel that is designed and implemented professionally and with all the needed know-how, in particular wrt. to being really secure.
Something like that would however require an investment of min. 25k € and probably more towards 50k. And it would be done in a compiled, strongly static typed language and offer a proper C API (that would among other things allow for PHP or Python modules to be written (not because it's the right thing to do but because it's something many clients will ask for).
So, we are looking for panel written in GO? No. You can achieve world class results with perl, php, ruby, python, java or any other pre-compiled language. There is no single tool perfect for this job.
Everything depends on budget, dedication and management.
No, not Go. And, pardon my french, what you say is exactly the kind of BS that brought us a ton of insecure panels.
I'm working in the IT security field and know what I'm talking about. I also know that much of the common "wisdoms" that are blurted are wrong and/or short-sighted and/or not anymore up to date or ...
Example: I hear so much about "dedication". You mentioned it too. What I rarely hear - and what you also didn't mention - is facts and "knowledge and experience". Speaking of facts I mean things like verifiably no errors or at least low error probability plus clean (error free) critical paths.
Another fact is that we simply do not need more average (read: mindlessly cobbled together PHP, Python, Perl, JS, ...) panels. There is already plenty many of those. What we do need however is a reliable and safe panel because we are talking about payments (or at least payment relevant stuff) and customers and their data.
See, if that were really true then you could build the panel yourself. Anything you get for that budget is very unlikely to be production-ready. It will need audited and then a maintenance program to find issues, keep things up to date and so on.
If you are not willing to invest heavily in your own panel which will be way more than 5k then you are putting your customers at risk.
I get a feeling that he just wants to sound cool.
Is there a book for that? I could use it.
Do they come cheap too? Like $6000?
£5000 isn't anywhere near enough. At that price, you'll get a piece of junk you won't end up using. Better to get a bunch of DA licences at $300/pop
Or better, use the money to mod DA to make it looks alike cpanel, and sell it.
Good luck with your budget
You'll need the custom panel plus pay someone or two guys to update and find security holes in it and release them. In such a tiny budget you can get a custom standalone panel made. Increase your budget and allocate some $$$ on monthly basis to keep the panel up to date.
A nice idea will look into that
Level 6 development recently offered the TEIN Panel (The End Is Nigh Panel). Due to the recent discovery of security vulnerabilities, it has been replaced with the ETTS Panel (Everything Turns To Shit Panel). We can offer the ETTS Panel for only 500 pidgeon coins, today only!
Your budget is too small and you are the one who doesn't understand the real world.
counterpoint: your real world is too small and you don't understand his budget!
Not gonna happen.
We're talking about an administrative panel here that controls system services of websites potentially handling sensitive data. Which means that you need a well-designed, secure panel. Which means that you want an experienced developer, who also understands the services they're dealing with quite well.
$100 - $200 per hour is a pretty typical rate for such a developer. At a budget of 5000 GBP (= ~$6300), you'll get at best 63 hours of work. That's likely including planning meetings, documentation writing, deployment assistance, and so on.
If you want something with feature-equivalence to cPanel, you should expect at least several hundred hours of work, if not much more. Your budget is off by an order of magnitude, potentially far more.
So, these are your options:
jsgguy's and joepie's estimate of 25-50k is way too low in my opinion. I posted a similar idea on another thread asking if it seemed plausible for a few hundred hosts to kick in $1K each towards a FOSS cpanel replacement and got lol'd because everyone knows LET hosts are too cheap to consider anything like that, but nobody said the amount mentioned was unreasonable. I think joepie underestimates the amount of features in cpanel. Admittedly most of them look pretty useless, but they all take time to implement. See:
I did say "or much more" several times
It's not clear whether OP only wants the common cPanel features or every last one of them.
Yeah there's really a heck of a lot of features, plus documentation, packaging, etc. It's quite a serious product. I haven't looked at more than 1/10th of the feature list and probably won't. And then there's the whole add-on universe.
I spent a few minutes looking at vestacp which is maybe 1/100th as complex as cpanel, and OP's budget is far too low even for that.
You guys are murderers.
There's also the two projects from Romania, one far along. Maybe one of those will work for you.
Docker, Terraform, Kubernetes, Caddy are all written in Golang, I would not consider Golang problematic from the pov of creating secure software. And I say that as someone is not a big fan of Golang, I dislike the lack of parameterized types and syntactic sugar, I also prefer exceptions rather errors as values, although I have contributed multiple times to Kubernetes.
Yes, we should all write in C and manage memory ourselves for something as undemanding are orchestration? /s Really, you have strong beliefs with little knowledge, and I very much doubt your credentials or that you've ever written a line of C in your life.
Personally, going forward, I think Rust lang strikes a good balance of expressiveness (ADTs for the win), safety (thanks to the borrow checker), and deployment (compiled to single static executable), I don't mention performance because that rarely a concern in orchestration.
C API? For orchestration, please stop contributing, there is no need for a C API when a simple REST API or similar will suffice for sensibility. There's also no reason one can't have a secure, safe, reliable control panel written in Python (or even PHP, although I jest that won't happen), equally you can fuck up in Rust or Ocaml or F# or whatever strong type system you think will save the world.
You talk about verifably no errors, C does not provide this in any fashion, just stop please..
If you develop a web panel, keep it to yourself , if done properly it might add value to your company. Examples: DO, BuyVM, Vultr, AWS, Azure. While all I have mentioned are control panels for Virtual servers mostly, is the same logic. Your control panel adds value to your business.
Paypal is written in Javascript (node.js) and Stripe is written in Ruby. You have to be careful of what you are doing regardless of language.