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What's the best location for US and EU website visitors?

chiezyychiezyy Member
edited June 2019 in Help

I know it'd be good if I had a mirror in US and EU but if I am on a budget and would like to serve them somewhat equally well. Which location should I go for?
US east cost or far west EU? Which provider?

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  • pikepike Veteran

    Clouvider in London.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran
    edited June 2019

    Well, as longer it gets the shittier the speeds go.
    Maybe something close like NY, CA or UK, FR.

    Or just get a decent CDN like bunnyCDN and a cheap VPS/Dedi at Hetzner.
    Or even buy some Slabs at BuyVM and setup your own Anycast for 6$/m.

    Thanked by 2vimalware Hetzner_OL
  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider
    edited June 2019

    I can offer you something in the UK, you said a mirror so perhaps this will be a good option, based in Clouvider DC UK/London so smack bang in the middle:

    1 CPU Core (fair share none dedicated)
    512 MB Ram
    100 GB Disk space
    500 GB Bandwidth @ 1 gbit (shared - unmetered inbound)
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    /64 IPv6 block

    https://clients.inceptionhosting.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=204

    €13.00 p/Year.

    edit: I may have misunderstood your meaning of 'mirror' sorry.

    Perhaps this is of more interest then, also UK/London:

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    €7.00 p/year

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Neoon said:
    Well, as longer it gets the shittier the speeds go.
    Maybe something close like NY, CA or UK, FR.

    CA (California) should not be under consideration at all for this, it is completely on the other site of the US (US West - Pacific Coast). He needs Western EU or Eastern US.

    As far as Eastern US, you want someplace with good connectivity (ie...the most direct fiber routes) to EU...so NY/NJ or VA would probably be the best for that.
    .

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @SmartHost said:

    @Neoon said:
    Well, as longer it gets the shittier the speeds go.
    Maybe something close like NY, CA or UK, FR.

    CA (California) should not be under consideration at all for this, it is completely on the other site of the US (US West - Pacific Coast). He needs Western EU or Eastern US.

    As far as Eastern US, you want someplace with good connectivity (ie...the most direct fiber routes) to EU...so NY/NJ or VA would probably be the best for that.
    .

    Canada, the fuck California.

  • For EU: The Netherlands ofcourse :smile: AMS-IX

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Neoon said:
    Canada, the fuck California.

    Hahah...he already specified "US east cost or far west EU", so my mind didn't even go to another country to be considered.
    .

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @SmartHost said:

    @Neoon said:
    Canada, the fuck California.

    Hahah...he already specified "US east cost or far west EU", so my mind didn't even go to another country to be considered.
    .

    Geographically, there is no difference between NY and CA.

  • ricardoricardo Member
    edited June 2019

    Is there supposed to be a scientific answer to this, or at least in part? 'loads 'o cables' go into the UK. There's a Spanish provider on here, plenty French, UK. Not sure about best but would be interested in a qualified answer. (think it relies more on being a qualified question of 'best'...)

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider

    Mirror for what? Just site content or some files? My cPanel hosting is in Montreal (east coast) and is not a bad location for both regions. Has unlimited bandwidth with the $14/y promo I'm running (check the shared hosting offers section).

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited June 2019

    @Neoon said:
    Geographically, there is no difference between NY and CA.

    Wrong. "As the crow flies" maybe...but it is not about geographic distance, but rather fiber distance and routes.

    We don't have enough information from OP to know if it is going to make a difference or not to his application/needs.
    .

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @SmartHost said:

    @Neoon said:
    Geographically, there is no difference between NY and CA.

    Wrong. "As the crow flies" maybe...but it is not about geographic distance, but rather fiber distance and routes.
    .

    There is not truth, their is no wrong, it depends on the point of view.
    NY is not far away from bloody Montreal or Torronto in Canada.

    Depends also, which DC you compare it with, if Buffalo or NYC.....
    The discussion can be continued until the end of time.

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Neoon said:
    There is not truth, their is no wrong, it depends on the point of view.
    NY is not far away from bloody Montreal or Torronto in Canada.

    Exactly, and hence why alot of routes will go from there to NY first before hopping over the pond. With Canada also being typically a bit more expensive (in most cases), makes sense to just be in NY Metro area in the first place...NJ possibly the best of all choices for price and latency.

    Depends also, which DC you compare it with, if Buffalo or NYC.....

    NYC Metro of course...as close to the transatlantic fiber as you can get.

    The discussion can be continued until the end of time.

    Yup...and a different answer applicable for every application/need. It is not a one size fits all response..hence why I mentioned we do not have enough info from OP on his application/needs. :-)
    .

  • ramnetramnet Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2019

    Honestly, for a website, latency doesn't matter enough to be geographically particular with your hosting choice. Anywhere in Europe or North America will be fine.

    Would recommend against a CDN if your traffic is low because your assets will never be cached by the provider making response times worse than serving directly.

  • MasonRMasonR Community Contributor

    @ramnet said:
    Honestly, for a website, latency doesn't matter enough to be geographically particular with your hosting choice. Anywhere in Europe or North America will be fine.

    Hmm. Would you recommended Panama (NA) or Cyprus (EU), then? :tongue:

    Just kidding... go for Hawaii! :sunglasses:

    Thanked by 1kyawhtun2012
  • As others mentioned, east us or west eu is probably the best, but anywhere in us/eu works. Latency doesn't matter much for hosting websites most of the time, depending on the kind of website you have. However, I suspect small local businesses may find it more favorable to have low latency where they operate.

  • NY

  • smallbibi said: As others mentioned, east us or west eu is probably the best, but anywhere in us/eu works. Latency doesn't matter much for hosting websites most of the time

    This. OVH CA can be great, anywhere on the East Coast would probably work well. Ashburn can be great. LON, PAR or AMS too. Probably choose the area where you have most of your traffic coming from or (probably more important) where you know a provider that you like and feel confident with. US West coast would also work pretty well for a website: EU visitors won't probably notice the extra latency IF your provider has a decent network and your site is well optimized.

    No need for a CDN if you host on the east coast of the US or western EU and are focusing on north america / EU, as long as you use a decent provider!

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @pike said:
    Clouvider in London.

    Thanks for the kind words!

    Thanked by 1pike
  • emghemgh Member

    NEW YORK

  • donlidonli Member

    @emgh said:
    NEW YORK

    And by "NEW YORK" you mean New Jersey.

  • emghemgh Member

    @donli said:

    @emgh said:
    NEW YORK

    And by "NEW YORK" you mean New Jersey.

    NEW YORK.

  • GTHostGTHost Member, Patron Provider

    @chiezyy said:

    New York is the best location.
    From NY to London approx 70ms and from NY to Los Angeles approx 60ms.
    Try our looking glass: https://gthost.com/looking-glass/

    From NY to London:
    traceroute to www.clouvider.co.uk (185.42.220.13), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 38.91.100.1 (38.91.100.1) 0.325 ms 0.353 ms 0.400 ms
    2 ae11-2001.cr1-nyc4.ip4.gtt.net (69.174.18.161) 0.243 ms 0.284 ms 0.330 ms
    3 xe-9-0-0.cr0-lon1.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.137.133) 71.306 ms 71.349 ms 71.391 ms
    4 ip4.gtt.net (46.33.78.242) 71.435 ms 71.430 ms 71.424 ms
    5 * * *
    6 h185-145-200-9.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.9) 71.548 ms 71.526 ms 71.522 ms

    From NY to LA:
    traceroute to 162.251.63.162 (162.251.63.162), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 38.91.100.1 (38.91.100.1) 0.253 ms 0.275 ms 0.315 ms
    2 ae11-2001.cr1-nyc4.ip4.gtt.net (69.174.18.161) 0.356 ms 0.300 ms 0.390 ms
    3 et-0-0-47.cr3-lax2.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.141.125) 60.200 ms 60.194 ms 60.187 ms
    4 ip4.gtt.net (98.124.174.162) 60.343 ms 60.383 ms 60.377 ms
    5 162.251.63.162 (162.251.63.162) 60.370 ms 60.362 ms 60.356 ms

    Thanked by 1bikegremlin
  • donlidonli Member

    @GTHost said:
    @chiezyy said:

    New York is the best location.
    From NY to London approx 70ms and from NY to Los Angeles approx 60ms.
    Try our looking glass: https://gthost.com/looking-glass/

    From NY to London:
    traceroute to www.clouvider.co.uk (185.42.220.13), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 38.91.100.1 (38.91.100.1) 0.325 ms 0.353 ms 0.400 ms
    2 ae11-2001.cr1-nyc4.ip4.gtt.net (69.174.18.161) 0.243 ms 0.284 ms 0.330 ms
    3 xe-9-0-0.cr0-lon1.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.137.133) 71.306 ms 71.349 ms 71.391 ms
    4 ip4.gtt.net (46.33.78.242) 71.435 ms 71.430 ms 71.424 ms
    5 * * *
    6 h185-145-200-9.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.9) 71.548 ms 71.526 ms 71.522 ms

    From NY to LA:
    traceroute to 162.251.63.162 (162.251.63.162), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 38.91.100.1 (38.91.100.1) 0.253 ms 0.275 ms 0.315 ms
    2 ae11-2001.cr1-nyc4.ip4.gtt.net (69.174.18.161) 0.356 ms 0.300 ms 0.390 ms
    3 et-0-0-47.cr3-lax2.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.141.125) 60.200 ms 60.194 ms 60.187 ms
    4 ip4.gtt.net (98.124.174.162) 60.343 ms 60.383 ms 60.377 ms
    5 162.251.63.162 (162.251.63.162) 60.370 ms 60.362 ms 60.356 ms

    And by "New York" you mean Newark, New Jersey, right ?

  • Azores.

  • emghemgh Member

    @donli said:

    @GTHost said:
    @chiezyy said:

    New York is the best location.
    From NY to London approx 70ms and from NY to Los Angeles approx 60ms.
    Try our looking glass: https://gthost.com/looking-glass/

    From NY to London:
    traceroute to www.clouvider.co.uk (185.42.220.13), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 38.91.100.1 (38.91.100.1) 0.325 ms 0.353 ms 0.400 ms
    2 ae11-2001.cr1-nyc4.ip4.gtt.net (69.174.18.161) 0.243 ms 0.284 ms 0.330 ms
    3 xe-9-0-0.cr0-lon1.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.137.133) 71.306 ms 71.349 ms 71.391 ms
    4 ip4.gtt.net (46.33.78.242) 71.435 ms 71.430 ms 71.424 ms
    5 * * *
    6 h185-145-200-9.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.9) 71.548 ms 71.526 ms 71.522 ms

    From NY to LA:
    traceroute to 162.251.63.162 (162.251.63.162), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 38.91.100.1 (38.91.100.1) 0.253 ms 0.275 ms 0.315 ms
    2 ae11-2001.cr1-nyc4.ip4.gtt.net (69.174.18.161) 0.356 ms 0.300 ms 0.390 ms
    3 et-0-0-47.cr3-lax2.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.141.125) 60.200 ms 60.194 ms 60.187 ms
    4 ip4.gtt.net (98.124.174.162) 60.343 ms 60.383 ms 60.377 ms
    5 162.251.63.162 (162.251.63.162) 60.370 ms 60.362 ms 60.356 ms

    And by "New York" you mean Newark, New Jersey, right ?

    BuyVM sells services in New York since you seem to be so obsessed.

  • In my experience, if you have more US visitors, US east coast is good.
    If your target group is more EU based, but still want the US visitors to get a decent performance, UK is good.

    But it should be noted that website optimization and hosting quality are very important. They make a lot more of a difference than server location.

    So don't sweat the location too much, look for good quality hosting and optimize your website.

    For development, I'd choose whichever location is "closer" to my home, all else being similar/equal.

  • donlidonli Member
    edited June 2019

    @emgh said:

    BuyVM sells services in New York since you seem to be so obsessed.

    BuyVM is in New Jersey also:

    https://buyvm.net/new-jersey-datacenter/

    New Jersey. Why'd we pick New Jersey? It's a Jersey thing, you wouldn't understand.

    Our New Jersey location is located in the new Dupont Fabros facility in Piscataway. This location allows us to directly connect to all major backbones via NYIIX and enables us to deliver outstanding network performance to the entire North American East Coast as well as to many parts of South America.

    I'm not the one that is "so obsessed" claiming New Jersey is New York.

    New Jersey is cheap and very well connected - no need to keep telling people to be in "New York".

  • jackbjackb Member, Host Rep

    @donli said:

    @emgh said:

    BuyVM sells services in New York since you seem to be so obsessed.

    BuyVM is in New Jersey also:

    https://buyvm.net/new-jersey-datacenter/

    I don't think that's up to date. They moved out of Choopa some years ago, I believe into NYC. Not sure which facility though

  • donlidonli Member
    edited June 2019

    @jackb said:

    @donli said:

    @emgh said:

    BuyVM sells services in New York since you seem to be so obsessed.

    BuyVM is in New Jersey also:

    https://buyvm.net/new-jersey-datacenter/

    I don't think that's up to date. They moved out of Choopa some years ago, I believe into NYC. Not sure which facility though

    https://buyvm.net/new-york-datacenter/

    Blame Fran. See? You feel better already.

    Woops. It seems that the page you're looking for is currently not available.

    Hey @Francisco are you the one "New York" provider not in Buffalo or New Jersey ?

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