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    Remember VPSAO? It's out!

    defaultdefault Member

    I don't know if you remember VPSAO, but it shuts down anyway. I just got the following e-mail:

    Dear Clients,
    
    It is with a very sad and heavy heart that I announce the closure of VPSAO.com
    
    We deeply regret this choice, but are no longer able to keep running.
    
    All Systems will be shut down by end of business today.  Please take your backups now.
    
    
    
    Sincerely,
    
    Yong Zhang
    

    Cooking popcorn for another summer host drama...

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    • MasonRMasonR Member

      lol... dropping like flies.

      Appeared on LEB in January of this year offering (who would have guessed it)..... 3-year deals... only to crash and burn several months later, as expected.

      @CVPS_Chris, see the problem yet? No..? Alright, then.

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    • solairesolaire Member

      They're still accepting offers. Brb, signing up for the drama.

    • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

      so clearly something about having your servers with colocrossing = BAD business model

      The prices are well known and very cheap so its not a financial issue, perhaps the hardware and network they provide is SO BAD it is impossible to keep customers even paying bottom of the barrel prices?

      Lets pretend for a second that they are legit businesses (LOL), no seriously lets pretend for the discussion they are legit businesses, what other possible reason is there that SO MANY fail in colocrossing?

      colocrossing prices = CHEAP
      promotion = FREE
      end user price = LOW

      so whats the problem?

      Had enough of the scams on lowendbox, lowendtalk is now being infiltrated by corruption so I have chosen to make an low end exit #lexit for now - you can find me HERE

    • lonealonea Member, Provider

      Back in the day when server mania was having a price war with CC, I believe the lowest price I've seen was $39 for a 1240 v3 with 16GB ram and 120GB SSD. You need to be able to generate at least $500 / year on the server to at least able to recoup the cost of the server alone. I think the cost these days is at least double for the same specs.

      Lowend server pricing is nothing but a pyramid scheme. You need more and more people to pay the yearly cost in order to subsides for the old customers.

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    • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

      lonea said: server mania was having a price war with CC

      Is there something I'm missing or is servermania hosted at CC anyway

    • lonealonea Member, Provider
      edited June 3

      Sure, they are colocated there.

      HVH, SM, CC, and probably CVPS was fighting for the same piece of the low end pie.

      PS- SM is a different company than CC. SM actually owned the hardware they sell, unlike HVH.

      @hzr said:

      lonea said: server mania was having a price war with CC

      Is there something I'm missing or is servermania hosted at CC anyway

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    • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

      What will the 3000 customers do naao ? :'(

    • teamaccteamacc Member
      edited June 3

      Upon their first order, allowing 3 year orders, they did not have the company for a full month yet.

      Their WHMCS payment was expired. They claimed the reminder email was sent to "the old email account which they hadnt switched over yet".

      This means that in that first month, they had no need to do any back-end administration, as that would clearly give them a notification that their license needed updating.

      Upon pointing out their lapse in WHMCS license, my comment on LEB was held for about a week in the moderation queue. When it was finally released, a reply from vpsAO was posted within a few hours.

      Here's their response, verbatim. On LEB. Public information.

      Please also note that their ssl cert was not renewed at the same time, meaning that the company acquired the website AND the complete server infra including a certificate allowing them to potentially decode earlier transmissions between clients and the site.

      I like my uptime down low and my servers all hacked. Can see me droppin' twenty-fours with a router in the rack.
      Ya like ya Switch-Ports hot and ya servers all hacked. If ya pings real high and ya networks pitch black.

    • HurleyHurley Member

      @Kevin_vpsAO Tell us a story, my friend you faggot.

    • deankdeank Member

      Did I read it right?

      Shut down by end of the day? Less than a day of notice?

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      Select few always have issues.

    • alvinalvin Member

      Dramatic end, closed on the same day of the announcement... Why not announce it early?

    • deankdeank Member

      Can't announce early if you have no idea how finance works.

      The dude probably had no idea until he tried to buy a Steam game and realized no money was there.

      Select few always have issues.

    • "Out"

      That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

    • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

      So can we use this one as the example, lets try and encourage as many people as possible to file an actual charge back when possible, even if it is only for $10 with the charge back fee's if enough people do it perhaps we can force the owner (scam artist) in to personal bankruptcy.

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    • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member, Provider
      edited June 3

      Cooking popcorn for another summer host drama...

      The summer isn't even started yet 🤣👍

    • deankdeank Member

      There are always kids who experience premature ejaculations.

      This is one.

      Select few always have issues.

    • defaultdefault Member

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    • imokimok Member

      Why VPSAO customers are not posting here? They should had started already.

    • defaultdefault Member

      @imok said:
      Why VPSAO customers are not posting here? They should had started already.

      Wait... services are still up...

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    • deankdeank Member

      Either that, he really has only 30 clients.

      Always remove 2 or 3 zeroes when they claim something. Since he claimed "3000 clients", I think 30 is more of a realistic figure.

      Select few always have issues.

    • t0ny0t0ny0 Member

      @deank said:
      Either that, he really has only 30 clients.

      Always remove 2 or 3 zeroes when they claim something. Since he claimed "3000 clients", I think 30 is more of a realistic figure.

      You are underestimating the amount of people that are willing to throw money, thinking that its the deal of a lifetime.
      They could easily have over 3000 customers.
      $$/3yrs usually gets a lot of sign ups, and even more broken hearts and failed paypal chargebacks after that

    • deankdeank Member
      edited June 3

      Sure, look at AR, they claimed 100,000 clients.

      But see how little reactions their now-2-week downtime has. Granted, only a small portion overreact but a client base size of 100,000 will case havoc if true.

      It wasn't.

      P.S. (edit)
      In my experience, it's usually 10% of client base that enter PMS when things go horribly wrong.
      Based on that, AR has around 1,000 clients. I take their twitter post that has the most comments (96) and multiply by 10.

      Select few always have issues.

    • MasonRMasonR Member

      @imok said:
      Why VPSAO customers are not posting here? They should had started already.

      Yeah, thinking the same.@FAT32 - any chatter on the Chinese forums? With supercheap yearlies and a LA location, I'd imagine a large portion (if not the majority) were Chinese customers.

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    • FAT32FAT32 Member, Moderator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
      edited June 3

      @MasonR said:
      Yeah, thinking the same.@FAT32 - any chatter on the Chinese forums? With supercheap yearlies and a LA location, I'd imagine a large portion (if not the majority) were Chinese customers.

      There are about 3 threads open at the same time as this thread (11:15pm, 11:27pm, 11:34pm GMT+8), I believe there will be more but it is early morning now.

      Some interesting comments:

      • "Is this the same Yong Zhang? CEO of Alibaba Group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Zhang"
      • "Please don't buy VPS by local owners" (Local in this context means Chinese owners)
      • "VirMach, please don't be the next one or we will no longer have cheap VPS"

      Perhaps, some dreams can only be dreams.

    • ChuckChuck Member

      https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/154905/hiformance-scum-is-back-with/p1

      I can predict the future!

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      I like what she said, not what it means.

    • ChuckChuck Member
      edited June 3

      Here was the ass @Kevin @Yong Zhang @Daniel Zhang lied from 5 months ago:

      @Kevin_vpsAO said:
      Hello Everyone,

      Firstly, I am not certain how we got tied up in this thread. However the reported issue has been fixed, see below:

      image

      For full transparency, the issue was that we did not receive the email notifications that our WHMCS bill was due. This was not an error on WHMCS's side, but on our side, as we recently took over the assets of vpsAO and did not update the vendor notification email for WHMCS. We were only a few days past due on the license, so it did not trigger any license suspensions on our side, so was not made aware of the fact the license was suspended till now.

      We have sorted this out by updating the main email on file with whmcs.com/members and also set up a payment subscription to avoid this happening again.

      I fully agree that if you are using a pirated version of WHMCS you should not be in business in the first place. I would like to state that never have we used a pirated version of WHMCS, and I am happy to send invoices/proof to any moderators, or you can contact WHMCS Support yourself to confirm that we have never ran a pirated install of WHMCS and that vpsao.com has been actively paying for a license even before now.

      To address the other concern brought up regarding our company, Alan Gu is no longer with vpsAO since acquiring the company. We have now updated the contact information displayed on invoices, and thank you for bringing that up to our attention.

      Lastly, if it was not already clear, then I would like to confirm we have no affiliation with the mentioned host in the topic, HiFormance.

      Regards

      Kevin - vpsAO
      [email protected]

      I like what she said, not what it means.

    • donlidonli Member

      So what happened to "RC Portfolio"?

      From what LEB said about them in their deal posted in Jan:

      vpsAO.com appears to have been in business since 2016, but was acquired and is now funded by new management (RC Portfolio) as of October 2018. This is our first time featuring vpsAO’s offers here and we think you’ll enjoy these attractive offers they’re providing exclusive to our community! We look forward to hearing your feedback about their services and support quality considering the value of these specials, their new management, and their recent improvements!

      According to their press release, “RC Portfolio plans to incorporate proven industry and business management expertise to provide improved service to existing vpsAO clientele. In addition, RC Portfolio has already started to implement its staff of hosting experts to support the customers of vpsAO; immediately decreasing response times and improving support quality for clients.” Robert Ingram, Managing Director at RC Portfolio further states, “We intend to use our available resources and expertise to provide a new and improved level of service for existing and future vpsAO customers.”

    • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider
      edited June 4

      deank said: Sure, look at AR, they claimed 100,000 clients.

      100000 clients is easy if you operate multiple and acquire business and provide very cheap service . Many join and try for some time and never come back . Bet they have just 100k customer data in whmcs .

      but 100000 active customers with service is difficult . If they said active clients , then trump is right

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    • IonSwitch_StanIonSwitch_Stan Member, Host Rep

      In this thread ... @deank modernizing the “German tank problem” where estimates of tanks were made based on serial numbers into customers based on twitter posts. 10/10.

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    • leang97leang97 Member

      So fast deadpool already? Not enough a year in business, DAMMIT!

    • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Provider

      I think all these business are started with no business plan and almost no business capital/funds

      They just get a cheap server deal, they make money in first few months, but instead of reinvesting those funds they just spend it and ultimately they just run out of funds to buy new servers and dead pool

      These kids just think that hosting business is easy and quick cash but they don't understand web hosting business is just like any other business that require proper business plan and funds

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    • defaultdefault Member

      I must take a moment to thank ColoCrossing for still keeping the servers up, even though all should have shutdown yesterday.

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    • CVPS_ChrisCVPS_Chris Member, Provider

      MasonR said: lol... dropping like flies.

      Appeared on LEB in January of this year offering (who would have guessed it)..... 3-year deals... only to crash and burn several months later, as expected.

      @CVPS_Chris, see the problem yet? No..? Alright, then.

      You do realize that they also use Psychz and Quadranet right? Why is this only a ColoCrossing issue?

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    • MasonRMasonR Member

      @CVPS_Chris said:
      Why is this only a ColoCrossing issue?

      1. 1 month old company
      2. Promotion of 3 year deals
      3. LowEndBox
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    • solairesolaire Member

      @CVPS_Chris said:

      MasonR said: lol... dropping like flies.

      Appeared on LEB in January of this year offering (who would have guessed it)..... 3-year deals... only to crash and burn several months later, as expected.

      @CVPS_Chris, see the problem yet? No..? Alright, then.

      You do realize that they also use Psychz and Quadranet right? Why is this only a ColoCrossing issue?

      Were they advertised by Psychz or Quadranet?

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    • PandyPandy Member

      i remember reading a comment on hackernews about someone finding a great deal on LEB, and that they were buying 150-200 2gb/2core machines for 15/yr (or even better deal that their sales gave, that price was just the public LEB deal). this was right after the hiformance shitshow so i tried to warn him about the sketchiness of LEB/deals,and he even said he noticed it himself, but still went with 1yr deal and then upgrades to 3yr if it goes well.

      I want to say it was this host based on the hosts on the frontpage back then, but as he didnt specify i dont know. but i still kinda wonder how hes doing

    • JanevskiJanevski Member

      Who?

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    • sanvitsanvit Member

      @Pandy said:
      i remember reading a comment on hackernews about someone finding a great deal on LEB, and that they were buying 150-200 2gb/2core machines for 15/yr (or even better deal that their sales gave, that price was just the public LEB deal). this was right after the hiformance shitshow so i tried to warn him about the sketchiness of LEB/deals,and he even said he noticed it himself, but still went with 1yr deal and then upgrades to 3yr if it goes well.

      I want to say it was this host based on the hosts on the frontpage back then, but as he didnt specify i dont know. but i still kinda wonder how hes doing

      I'm pretty sure those 150~200 VMs were in the same node (or two) :P

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      sanvit said: 'm pretty sure those 150~200 VMs were in the same node (or two) :P

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    • defaultdefault Member

      Now their website and all services are down. Complaints should start coming soon.

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    • imokimok Member

      default said: Complaints should start coming soon

      Finally!

    • stefemanstefeman Member
      edited June 8

      How unexpected.

    • donlidonli Member

      @default said:
      Now their website and all services are down. Complaints should start coming soon.

      All evidence of their existence hasn't yet been removed from LEB though, someone is slipping.

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    • I bought one of these as a 1 year deal. Services are running for me though... Should I still charge back?

    • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

      @magounamatata said:
      I bought one of these as a 1 year deal. Services are running for me though... Should I still charge back?

      You can sure try but they likely don't have the funds in the account.

      Francisco

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    • jamujajamuja Member
      edited June 11

      AnthonySmith said: The prices are well known and very cheap so its not a financial issue, perhaps the hardware and network they provide is SO BAD it is impossible to keep customers even paying bottom of the barrel prices?

      Conspiracy time....

      I wonder if this is all by design and a valid scamming plan due to regular occurrences on LEB.

      1. Create fake ID as CEO
      2. Create fake company
      3. Use pirated WHCMS
      4. Partner with LEB to offer 3 years plan
      5. Wait until there is enough customers
      6. Wait until Paypal etc. buyer protection is gone or reduced.
      7. Pull the plug
      8. Refund the cost to some of the customers but take profits on most clueless customers
      9. Profits !!!!

      Downside : None. Zero risk. No one will actually sue or refer to "FBI" etc.

      All you need to do is every other months you change the domain name of your business.

      TBH this seems to be quite profitable business for Colocrossing/LEB and scammers as there will never be a criminal investigation, but if you run this scam regularly enough, you could rake in thousands of dollars easily every month.

      Anyone wants to copycat?

    • donlidonli Member
      edited June 11

      @jamuja said:

      TBH this seems to be quite profitable business for Colocrossing/LEB and scammers as there will never be a criminal investigation, but if you run this scam regularly enough, you could rake in thousands of dollars easily every month.

      Aren't kickstarter-type scams easier and more profitable ?

    • jamujajamuja Member
      edited June 11

      donli said: Aren't kickstarter-type scams easier and more profitable ?

      >

      Well no. You can't repeat the same scam over and over again.
      While LEB and Colocrossing alleged scam... You can safely repeat the "business plan" every six months or so.
      Literally if you want to be lazy all you need to do is change the main domain name and make up a fake person name as the main contact.

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