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Micfo CEO charged with fraud for IP address theft

RossGRossG Member, Host Rep
edited May 2019 in General
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  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Well, the end is here for Amir.

  • donlidonli Member
    edited May 2019

    That's IP as in IPv4 addresses, not Intellectual property.

    735,000 IPv4 addresses apparently. See: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20190514_735k_fraudulently_obtained_ip_addresses_have_been_revoked/

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran

    Sounds like the waiting list may see some fulfillment! :-)
    .

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran
    edited May 2019
  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider
    edited May 2019

    Good. Micfo network is full of shit, separate from the fraud he committed against ARIN. Spammers, proxies used for CC fraud, etc. After getting tired of banning individual ranges a year or two ago I ended up blocking the network (this was before I blocked some DC networks generally.) Seems like the IPs he got he just handed out to anyone who would pay him no matter what they did with it.

  • hzrhzr Member

    MikeA said: Good. Micfo network is full of shit, separate from the fraud he committed against ARIN. Spammers, proxies used for CC fraud, etc. After getting tired of banning individual ranges a year or two ago I ended up blocking the network (this was before I blocked some DC networks generally.)

    This is my experience with Micfo's network too. It's basically just garbage upon garbage with no legitimate sites hosted there that I know of.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    So, are we expecting an influx of weird requests on LET?

  • hzrhzr Member

    deank said: So, are we expecting an influx of weird requests on LET?

    hello i need /24 monthly with ability to geo chicago , ipv4 must be on 10 gbps line

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran

    @hzr said:

    deank said: So, are we expecting an influx of weird requests on LET?

    hello i need /24 monthly with ability to geo chicago , ipv4 must be on 10 gbps line

    Must be single quad core CPU, 8GB RAM, 100Gb disk...y'know...enough to make usage of that /24 block and 10Gbps!

  • williewillie Member

    Is Micfo known around here, i.e. related to LET spammer/hosts?

  • bob1bob1 Member

    We blacklisted Micfo a long time ago, they host a lot of spammers and vpns.

    @hzr said:
    hello i need /24 monthly

    I hope you aren't referring to me :smiley: I just need a /24 block and maybe this will open some up.

  • RossGRossG Member, Host Rep

    @willie said:
    Is Micfo known around here, i.e. related to LET spammer/hosts?

    I think the CEO was active on WebHostingTalk, not sure about LET though

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider
        IP Block            Entity              Number of IP addresses 
        ------------------- ------------------- ----------------------
        104.166.96.0/19     OppoBox             8,192 
        104.247.96.0/19     OppoBox             8,192 
        104.250.224.0/19    OppoBox             8,192 
        172.98.0.0/18       Telentia            16,384 
        174.136.192.0/18    Telentia            16,384 
        45.41.0.0/18        OppoBox             16,384 
        45.41.192.0/18      OppoBox             16,384 
        45.59.128.0/18      OppoBox             16,384 
        104.167.192.0/18    OppoBox             16,384 
        104.224.0.0/18      OppoBox             16,384 
        104.249.128.0/18    OppoBox             16,384 
        155.254.192.0/18    OppoBox             16,384 
        172.110.128.0/18    OppoBox             16,384 
        172.111.0.0/18      OppoBox             16,384 
        169.197.128.0/18    Border Technology   16,384 
        172.81.0.0/18       Border Technology   16,384 
        107.181.64.0/20     Contina             4,096
        167.160.96.0/19     Contina             8,192
        209.161.96.0/20     Telentia            4,096
        104.128.16.0/20     Telentia            4,096
        104.143.192.0/19    Telentia            8,192
        104.222.192.0/19    Telentia            8,192
        104.247.0.0/19      Telentia            8,192
        107.190.160.0/20    OppoBox             4,096
        107.182.112.0/20    OppoBox             4,096
        104.207.64.0/19     OppoBox             8,192
        155.254.96.0/19     OppoBox             8,192
        167.88.96.0/20      Virtuzo             4,096
        104.128.128.0/20    Virtuzo             4,096
        104.156.192.0/19    Virtuzo             8,192
        104.222.128.0/19    Virtuzo             8,192
        104.143.16.0/20     Roya                4,096
        104.237.80.0/20     Univera Network     4,096
        45.62.32.0/19       Univera Network     8,192
        45.61.32.0/20       Border Technology   4,096
        173.44.0.0/19       Border Technology   8,192
        172.97.80.0/20      Fiber Galaxy        4,096
        206.223.224.0/19    Fiber Galaxy        8,192
        172.102.128.0/20    Queen Systems       4,096
        209.209.224.0/19    Queen Systems       8,192
        172.110.208.0/20    Fairway Network     4,096
        207.189.0.0/19      Fairway Network     8,192
    

    Credit to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19923748

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep

    I'm guessing he got ranges from ARIN and rented them out? Various sources seem to state only 130k sold, the rest rented?

    Whats going to happen to the IP address users be they people who bought or rented I wonder?

    I highly doubt he is the only person with unique 'idea'.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    SplitIce said: I'm guessing he got ranges from ARIN and rented them out? Various sources seem to state only 130k sold, the rest rented?

    He sold a /15 of it, or was pending it.

    He had a sale of 300k IP's pending, but ARIN stopped it and launched the lawsuit.

    Francisco

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  • sanvitsanvit Member

    iirc NordVPN (or was it Windscribe) used Micfo IPs?

  • LyphiardLyphiard Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2019

    @SmartHost said:
    Sounds like the waiting list may see some fulfillment! :-)
    .

    Unfortunately not ...

    07 February 2019: We will continue to accept and process IPv4 requests according to NRPM 4.1.8, and organizations may be added to the waiting list while waiting list issuance is suspended. All future IPv4 address space issued under this policy is subject to the outcome of pending policy review.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this exact case was the reason as to why ARIN suspended the wait list policy in the first place.

  • SirFoxySirFoxy Member

    While what he did is fucked it's nonviolent so I hope he doesn't see 20+ years as charged.

  • jamujajamuja Member

    @sanvit said:
    iirc NordVPN (or was it Windscribe) used Micfo IPs?

    Yes some of my favorites nordvpn hosts with micro are offline

    Thanked by 1sanvit
  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited May 2019

    SirFoxy said: While what he did is fucked it's nonviolent so I hope he doesn't see 20+ years as charged.

    Better know where you are and what you do then, because this was predictable. Another one bites the dust because they did not leave the US when it was clear SHTF.

    For sane laws you clearly never want to have such a lawsuit in the US, which is pretty much true for anything - next to any white collar crime gets you way lower sentence in Europe than US.

    This is not the last one, many we all know are already on the way to court but are simply not in the US (Lithuania...who wants to guess...), others are not liable for one or another reason.

    Thanked by 1SirFoxy
  • hzrhzr Member
    edited May 2019

    William said: This is not the last one, many we all know are already on the way to court but are simply not in the US (Lithuania...who wants to guess...), others are not liable for one or another reason.

    h1p/det/heficed?

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    Point blank, yea.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    @SirFoxy said:
    While what he did is fucked it's nonviolent so I hope he doesn't see 20+ years as charged.

    Non-violent yes, victim-less no. His fraud directly impacted other legitimate companies and people not to mention the amount of financial pain and ruin he's cost countless people by allowing other criminals access to his networks/IPs. It would be great if law enforcement could link his company to other crimes because of his actions and I hope they throw the book at him.

  • jamujajamuja Member
    edited May 2019

    @William said:

    SirFoxy said: While what he did is fucked it's nonviolent so I hope he doesn't see 20+ years as charged.

    Better know where you are and what you do then, because this was predictable. Another one bites the dust because they did not leave the US when it was clear SHTF.

    For sane laws you clearly never want to have such a lawsuit in the US, which is pretty much true for anything - next to any white collar crime gets you way lower sentence in Europe than US.

    This is not the last one, many we all know are already on the way to court but are simply not in the US (Lithuania...who wants to guess...), others are not liable for one or another reason.

    Predictable in what way ? What's the difference between what he did with people selling or leasing IP /24 in AIO thread in this forum?
    I'm playing devil advocate but he is almost no difference than any of us or providers who sell stuff in this forum.

    Isn't he getting the charge because he is big enough fish to fry and he doesn't have politicians in his pocket? Moving outside US won't change

  • KrisKris Member

    hzr said: h1p/det/heficed?

    something something NetStack

    Just take a look at AS8100 and our friends at ColoCrossing if you wanna see the latest.

    Seems it's create generic name in South Africa, Digital Energy Technologies, etc under NetStack, keep requesting, and transfer out to ARIN for use in the US.

    tired: foreigners creating companies in delaware, etc. to game ARIN
    wired: creating companies in south africa draining them dry (NetStack / H1P for years)

    bet CC is hoping that check from Deluxe cleared

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    @jamuja said:
    Predictable in what way ? What's the difference between what he did with people selling or leasing IP /24 in AIO thread in this forum?
    I'm playing devil advocate but he is almost no difference than any of us or providers who sell stuff in this forum.

    Isn't he getting the charge because he is big enough fish to fry and he doesn't have politicians in his pocket? Moving outside US won't change

    He obtained the IPs by fraudulent means (unlike most of the people in the AIO thread) and he's probably being taken to court because of the value of the assets. If he lied to get a /22 they'd probably just close his account and not think twice about it but with the IP exhaustion he basically swindled ARIN out of millions of dollars of assets while legitimate companies who played by the rules and didn't use their IP space for illegal activities are screwed hence why they're making an example out of him.

  • MadMad Member

    Honestly I still don't get what's the fraud related to (apart creating a company composed by false officers).

    " used to deceive ARIN and to fraudulently obtain IP address rights from ARIN" --> How to? What's the crime exactly?

    @Francisco said:
    He sold a /15 of it, or was pending it.

    He had a sale of 300k IP's pending, but ARIN stopped it and launched the lawsuit.

    Francisco

    @SplitIce said:
    I'm guessing he got ranges from ARIN and rented them out? Various sources seem to state only 130k sold, the rest rented?

    Isn't it legit and what's wrong with it? Many providers rent/sell them out; we have been seeing so many threads both here and on WHT concerning such thing.

    Obviously I'm not defending him at all but I'm just trying to understand what happened exactly, I'm curious to know it.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    Mad said: Isn't it legit and what's wrong with it? Many providers rent/sell them out; we have been seeing so many threads both here and on WHT concerning such thing.

    Obviously I'm not defending him at all but I'm just trying to understand what happened exactly, I'm curious to know it.

    Not a problem at all.

    It is a problem when it's all fraudulent though :)

    Francisco

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