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Netcup flash sale
https://www.netcup-sonderangebote.de/vserver/blitzverkauf-vps-2000-g8-plus/
VPS 2000 G8 Plus
8 vCores, KVM technology
16 GB RAM
1.5 TB SSD Performance (Cached with Optane ™)
80 TB of traffic at 1 Gbps, then 100 Mbps
Snapshots (Copy-On-Write)
Console for remote maintenance, backup system and much more ...
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14.49EUR/mo
Previously it was €17.50 except
So yeah, this looks better.
Tempting to replace my hetzner dedi (4tb, i7 3770)... Anyone got any experience or advice?
This is clearly for storage and they dont advertise dedicated CPU cores so I would guess it has less power than an i7-3770.
Really? a Tiny 32/64gig cache for how much TB of storage? fucking marketing bullshit.
I doubt that they put in the PCie Optanes which cost $$$$
Geekbench from Hostballs: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13055371
I doubt that they put in the Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 which cost $$$$.
I doubt that they put in the 768 GB RAM which cost $$$$.
fucking marketing bullshit.
i assumed it wouldn't be as powerful, but was wondering if it would be worth the step down in price.
You do not know the node specs.
Would you spend 3-4k or maybe 5k on that machine, to sell 15EUR vps's with it? I doubt it.
You do still need to pay for the machine itself to keep it running.
Maybe they got it cheaper but still, Optane is very very expensive.
Well, you can sell on this machine (for 5k) vps for 15 EUR. Problem is that there will be quite a few vps on this machine.
no bgp offer.
Hmm. So 7.5Eur/mo for the disk.
Now you just need to justify 7.5 eur for the 16GB RAM and 80TB net-out.
One could upgrade out of a storage VPS to this.
I guess all the money is coming from Anexia and they don't operate for large profits Anexia CEO told months ago, that his company (and propably netcup) should become the largest cloud company in europe, so i guess they are trying to accomplish this by the price at netcup, because Anexia itself is far away from "cheap".
I guess it would be easier to talk myself into it if I needed network in Europe.
(Fortunately for my discretionary funds this month, I don't ...)
You do not know fucking marketing bullshit or simply can't calculate profits in a large scale.
^^
Yes indeed, the numbers, are secret, no one tells you, what they pay for power, what the colocation alone costs, what they paid for the hardware...
Of course you can use the average numbers for the lols, but thats not the real shit.
This is LET, its a cheap vps, no one is gonna put a 1.2k Optane into that, change my mind.
Oh make no mistake, I'd definitely have to drop my 22eur hetzner dedi first.
The 4GB ultravps.eu SAS specials are way more tempting because of the included IPv4.
(+ So convenient to migrate off my proxmox KVMs.)
And as I saw the disk benchmarks, far far away from PCie.
370MB/sec and below.
hmmm ... maybe let's see if @netcup has anything to say about it.
Oh wait, they're actually not here on LET.
Too busy selling their mönster VPSen and enforcing hessliche contracten I suppose.
Why shouldn't they drop in a pcie optane? it is still cheaper then using real enterprise ssds all the way. And your mentioned 4-5k invest for a decent node running vps is way too low. Good nodes with actual xeons, lots of ram and enteprise ssds are double to triple that price.
I think the market has options of more than 64G Optane
up to 15k per machine? I am out.
I mean this is LEB here, not the place where they charge you $$$ for a vps.
That was just the expected budget version, but if you want 960GB of cache, you be paying 1.2k for it. Which I expected as unlikely.
And as the Disks's speeds have shown its way under SSD performance even when it should be cached.
https://serverscope.io/trials/yZ0D#unix
for VPS2000plus
Please have a look and let me what do you think.
and
wget --no-check-certificate ``https://raw.githubusercontent.com/K4Y5/ServerBench/master/serverbench.shchmod +x serverbench.sh./serverbench.shWe pay between 2 - 3k alone for the Enterprise ssds we use in each machine. It's simple math, spend more for quality and run them longer/with more customers/have less trouble with failings disks or pay less and life with crashing nodes/possible data loss and failing disks. And it's LET not LEB, we don't scam customers here
Pretty sure they use highend optane for caching and why shouldn't they? They have a hugh Budget and they want to become one of the Industries Leader and you do that by either
buying lots of smaller companies or by throwing money into marketing and servers, nothing bad about it though.
It's gone already anyway, but I don't understand the skepticism: does anyone really believe that netcup are lying about the specs? (I don't.)
(channeling @jsguy...)
Really now. I don't believe you!
How can you prove that you don't believe that netcup are glib prevaricators, peddlers of pap, and mongers of dunning notices?
Does anybody really believe anything? I believe that I do not!
I don't know: I was simply puzzled when I saw this thread. I mean, we all like to hear about netcup promotions and to share impressions and benchmarks, but to question the truthfulness of the advertised specs strikes me as a very different kind of discussion and one that I personally find troubling unless there are clear grounds for thinking that the advertising is false. One shouldn't just casually suggest that the advertising is false.
well now ...
I'm tempted to say all advertising is false
(and while I might position that statement as a joke - I believe there may be more than a small kernel of truth to that extreme claim.)
However in this case, and in general - in my opinion - it's not too far out of bounds to be at least somewhat skeptical and check the fine print carefully when technical claims are made. (And in many cases there is no "fine print" to check so one is left to speculate about the exact details, as @Neoon has done here.)
For example, I've noticed quite a few of these high spec KVM offers popping up lately that are (quite possibly) backed by "thin provisioned" disks and compressed ram or what have you. (And much respect for the few brave providers such as @exception0x876 who are willing to disclose some of those interesting details when asked.)
It might be said that "technically correct is the best kind of correct" but I dunno.
Performance talks and bullshit walks.
Yet "a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on" ...
Nothing wrong with a healthy skepticism -- it just seemed to me that the tone wasn't right. (But, yes, the guy that you've just named was part of that.)
I think that I simply prefer happy netcup threads.
Plot twist: @neeon bought up all the specials while the rest of us hesitated from the drama.
JK @neeon