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In need of KVM VPS
kdschlosser
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VZ Type: KVM VPS
Disk Space: 100Gig
RAM: 4096+
Number of Cores: * see below
Disk Type: **see below
Bandwidth:
Port Speed: 1000Mbps
DDoS Protection: No
Number of IPs: 2
Location: East Coast United States
Budget: 15.00 USD/mo
Billing period: Monthly
Current KVM VPS
CPU: 4 cores @ 2.*ghz (don't remember the exact frequency I know it is in the 2Ghz range)
Storage: Mechanical RAID 10, 150GB
NETWORK: 100Mbps
RAM: 4096MB
OS: Ubuntu 16.04
Other: LAMP
Load: Website with forum and documentation, 400 hits a day
Forum: PHPbb - posts 46467; topics 5615; members 6800; attachments 6830 files
MediaWiki database: It's small and only used for documentation.
* My current VPS the CPU on multiple cores will spike to 100% use and stay there for 5-30 seconds each time. the cores that spike are not consistent. they randomly change as does when and the duration of the spike. The process/daemon that is causing the spike can be any process that is running. it randomly changes. This happens very often several times in a 10 minute period. It does this even when there is no one connected to the site and I am the only user attached to the VPS and that is in a shell session.
I decided to make a test VM on my Home PC AMD w/6 cores at 3.2. I allocated the same memory and disk space. single mechanical disk. In the VM I allocated the 4 vCPU's and the 4096MB of RAM. This is the best I could do. This should be a slower performing VM then what my production VM is. I installed all the same software used all of the same configuration files and also a backup of all of the data. so everything except the hardware is the same as the production VM.
This test VM should run slower then the production, I would say the CPU's should be close if the production VM is at 2.3Ghz because the test VM is running AMD and the production VM is Intel Xeon, the slowdown should be the lack of a RAID stripe.
The test VM is running all of the same config files (minor changes for IP addresses and thing of that nature nothing that would make any impact on performance.), software and data. I should see the same CPU phenomenon. Nope. CPU stays in the single digits. I then pointed the DNS for my domain at this test VM and ran it for a few weeks. the CPU issue never showed up and the website and forum as leaps and bounds faster.
With that information above I am not sure what I need. because it is obvious that my current host is doing some kind of manipulation of the vCPUs and decreasing the speeds of them. So there is a very large ? as to what I need. They offer Windows installations on this VM, I do not see how anything with a GUI can run on this thing. It can't even handle a website and forum that sees 400 visits a day.
** My current VM was running slower then usual today. So I did some poking about. I checked my system log and there are disk timeout errors in there. I did some research and those errors stem from IO issues at the hardware level. I then cleared the disk read cache and used dd to benchmark the thing. 3.8MB/s was the result. Now that seems just a tad slow to me (I am crying over here). So again I would think that a RAID 10 with 4+ mechanical disks would be more then sufficient in terms of speed. But with the above information I do not know. The host could be messing with the transfer speeds.
I have sent this information into my hosts support department, their response was umm... baffling.. in the reply they had done a benchmark against one of their other server testing the network speed.. and said that everything is running fine... I am still puzzled at how they managed to diagnose CPU load and disk IO with a network speed test.. It is just one of those kinds of responses where you simply turn around and walk away because you are in fear that their level of stupidity will be contagious.
So if there are users and providers alike that can shed some light on this, and make some recommendations as far as hardware needs and also a provider that has more then a few marbles rolling around in their bean.
Wishes and dreams of finding a provider that does/has the following:
ENGLISH, The whole broken English thing is for the birds. and you can always tell when the response is from a person that does not speak English by the name attached to the response. I am starting to think there is a book published somewhere that contains a list of allowed names to use when you do not know how to speak English.
A provider that responds with intelligent answers would be nice. I am not a stooge, simpleton, moron, and I am not a person riding the yellow short bus with a helmet on and licking the window.
2 hour response to a support ticket (maybe?). A response would be a person responding to a support request informing you that someone has at least seen the thing. An estimate of when they will be able to have a look see at what is going on would be nice as well. This way I am able to go about my life and come back when they will be working on it. There are many other tasks that can get accomplished instead of waiting for a response that ends up asking me a question like the root password. or for me to run a test. There are only 2 things in life that can never be replaced, One of them is Time. I cannot sit and wait for a response for 8-10-20 hours and that response is a question that i need to answer if I want to get my site back up and running.
If there is no response from a human being then the request for support is done at a first come first server basis.. Now I understand the whole "wait your turn in line" philosophy. But if another user is asking a question about how to set the size of a partition and another is requesting support because their VM is down and they are unable to ping the IP. I think the person that is asking about how to set a partition size can move their ass to the back of the line. If there is not a person that reviews the tickets as they come in then this process cannot be done. If an automated e-mail is sent in response to a ticket request we know it's the first come first serve. or if you see a "priority" choice in the ticket creation then you know it is the first come first serve. because you know that the user asking about the partition size has put that thing to it's highest level. The support staff never looks at that thing anyway so why is it even there?
OK so enough with my rant. My wishes and dreams are simple. The server setup is simple as well.
Because my experience with hosts is limited to the above. and what is displayed as far as an intelligence level of the people responding to my support requests, bring that together with reading this forum there seems to be a whole lot of hosts like that. This will be an unmanaged KVM VPS.
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$15 on SecureDragon KVM (4vCore)
3GB RAM + Half RAM vSwap
Plus EasyEngine V3 or centminmod WebStack.
Any special offer might be better,...
*vCore mostly offered as shared resource compared to BuyVM / Hetzner pricing.
JTFC that was a novel.
You must be new around here.
if you can accept dallas, hostdoc has a very competent KVM with Xeon Gold, DDR4 ECC, NVME/HDD and 10gbps.
You can consider Letbox @key900. Here's the link to their KVMs: letbox.com/page/box
For your use case, 2 vCPU is probably sufficient. Letbox offers you a storage slab, so you can point the directory for attachments onto the slower storage slab and the rest on the main Nvme storage for performance reasons.
I suspect a buyvm 4 GB slice in NYC might be a close match to your request, with some minor adjustments (comes with 1 dedicated 3.5 GHz thread and 80 GB SSD for $15 per month - so you'd need to up your budget by a few dollars to add another IP address and extra storage if the 80 GB SSD is not enough). The request for two hour ticket response time seems a bit optimistic for your price range but they do provide effective and timely support. (I recently put in a ticket for a simple request on a Sunday morning and it was done by the time I checked back about 6 hours later.)
Only catch is limited availability, usually released on the 1st and 7th of the month - https://buyvmstock.com/ is useful to check
Other possible options for East Coast USA:
LaunchVPS (Pennsylvania)
extraVM (Virginia)
HostHatch (New York)
Hostus.us (DC)
Vapornode (Florida)
Virmach (New York, New Jersey and Georgia)
Vultr (New Jersey, Georgia, and Florida)
You'll need to do some research as to expectations for support and specs within your budget for these providers (for example I like HostHatch but would not rely on fast support response time; Virmach may not be good for sustained high-CPU use but could be just fine for the applications you describe, worth trying out in my opinion).
I've seen @Francisco bumping disk space to 100GB for that plan. Maybe he can do it this time too?
Thanks for recommending us and for the information Storage slab are much much better now after last upgrading!
Thanks for the recommendation, as well.
Feel free to shoot us a message on our online chat system and we will definitely help you get setup with a KVM machine that suits your needs.
First off I want to thank everyone for the information thus far. I did have a suspicion about the vCPU thing and most likely the HDD performance. what is happening is probably a result of the host jerking it's user around. No way to know for sure.
I am a new member to this forum. I have been reading this forum for a very long time. I have never had the need to post anything until now.
The dreams and wishes are just that. They would be the proverbial cherry on top. Nice to see but I know would most likely not happen.
The 2 hour response window I feel would be appropriate for the VPS being down. Down for an unmanaged plan would be a system critical problem a crash related to the node or the node is not accessible by using the control panel the host provides. Or IO issues things that would be caused by the host node and not the VM. Those kinds of issues can cause larger problems and I would think that the host would want to know about them ASAP to be able to repair them.
I do want to add a file repository of sorts to the VPS in the future. so I will need to have some wiggle room. to start off with I would set a cap of 200 simultaneous connections to the file repository a connection would be to get a list of available files. and then to download the one they want. file sizes are small usually several kbytes largest would be a meg So I would need to have the ability to add additional RAM or VCPU's if necessary.
The current size of the data that would be stored is approx 10GB including log files and databases. so some simple math 20GB for the OS and another 5 GB for software. so something in the lines of 50-60 GB would probably be fine. I just threw a number out there without doing the math.
the 15.00 USD cap is not a true cap. it is not necessarily the max they are willing to spend. It is simply a point. If there is something that costs more money and the purchaser sees the value in the additional money they will spend it. I would think that the providers would know this. you can easily add up to 50% more dollars to whatever the person states is a cap
I am sorry about the book above. it is far easier to simply lay it all out there then to play 20 questions. No one asked me any questions about the setup or any specific details about what I am looking for. So the book served it's purpose.
I do want to let the providers know that I have been with 2 hosting companies since 2005. I changed 2 years ago due to an inode cap the first host had. and now I am running into IO issues with the second. I did not plan on moving again. I am a customer that will be around for a very long while so long as the service and support remains a constant. I do not miss any payments and I am never late with payments.
The VPS location needs to be on the east coast. about 35% of the users of my site are in Europe and about 45% in the US and the rest are from all over the place.
I would also like to know what the actual bandwidth is. the link rating of a network adapter (virtual or otherwise) is not a measure of speed. it is the max that can be achieved. If available I would like to know real world numbers. With my current host I have a 100Mbit link and get transfers of 500KB/s math doesn't add up there (didn't start out that way).
Holy fucking shitpost, batman.
OK OK I get it. 30 posts to provide the same information that can be done in a single post is what I need to do from now on.
Can you provide less autism?
well, the thing is that most don't read long posts. If you want to get your point across, make it short and effective.
@Letzien
You must be young.. Short attention span.
@deank
That is a good thing. It is going to filter out the providers that don't care and are only after getting a $ and do not provide the services they claim to offer. They will not be bothered with reading a post that long and continue along their merry way. Now the good providers are going to spend the time to read and then make an educated suggestion based on the information provided. The same goes with users making suggestions (and i do appreciate the time taken to read and make suggestions)
These are self-managed services and you are supposed to know what you are doing before you buy one, or at least before you run revenue services on it. If you can't stand downtime, you need high availability which means failover servers, and you have to set that up yourself too.
If you're not up for that, look into something like Heroku. It costs more than the stuff you find here (this is a cheapskate forum all the way down) but they automate a lot of management for you. Some hosts here also offer managed services, but again you have to pay for it.
@kdschlosser You're far, far too smart for us. Please provide your email address so we can assist you in obtaining a properly-priced provider.
I hear DatabaseByDesign has some awesome deals.
@Letzien
why are you using the word "us" do you have some kind of a split personality or something? Or are you including the rest of the members of this forum into your unintelligent uneducated responses? I really hope it is not the latter.
AI will pass on posting my e-mail. and I also think I am going to pass on anything you are trying to help with with.
I know I am much smarter then you are. I READ. you obviously do not.
Now run off and go play with yourself. Let the adults have their conversation.
Smart people are discerning enough to only read stuff that is worth reading. If someone is not reading what you post, maybe that is because they are smart.
@willie
Some (if not all) of the providers offer managed and unmanaged services. With the experiences I have had with the support (don't know how they can really justify calling it that) from various hosts does not allow me to put a whole lot of faith in them keeping things working properly. and sure as hell not for the price they are trying to charge.
Good luck with your budget.
@willie
what I was getting at when I made that comment was if my post was read they would have known that I have been reading this forum for a while and suggesting a crap provider would have been pointless. A "smart" person will educate themselves about someone before making comments.
@willie
so there are no providers that maintain their hardware on these forums?
The providers here maintain their hardware. If there is a problem with the hardware (or the network), open a ticket saying what is wrong and they will fix it. They don't want to read through a mountain of text and neither does anyone else.
If the problem is with the software, which is usually the case, in a self-managed service, fixing it is up to you. Don't expect much help from the providers for that.
@kdschlosser Nobody likes you. Kill yourself in minecraft.
Move out of the basement!
I am going to defend @kdschlosser in that long posts are not necessarily bad. There were some information I thought was too much unnecessary detail, but he is right in that I don't need to ask him any further questions to be able to make a recommendation.
From the follow up, I have a few points that I hope will help.
I recommend KVM for performance and security reasons but this means CPU and RAM cannot be adjusted on the fly. You will need to backup and do a full restore on a new KVM box. If you anticipate you need more processing power and RAM in the future, pay a bit more for better specs. If you can pick a provider using high quality Nvme storage, you can worry less about RAM if you have an adequately sized swap file because Nvme is very fast (not as fast as RAM but I think it is an acceptable performance if I don't have money for a much bigger RAM upgrade).
I am a fan of having storage slabs because the stuff tat takes up the most space are attachments, media files etc, which should be offloaded to slower storage device, and adding slabs is a much easier way to expand storage for such space hungry stuff than rebuilding a brand new KVM. On LET, two reliable KVM providers with slab storage are @Francisco and @key900.
Edit: typos
Not true. CPU and RAM can easily be scaled on a KVM.
@kdschlosser I understand your points and also sympathise with you not being able to find a reasonable host but your expectations waver on the unreasonable side also.
This is LET, everything is cheap, meaning, a somewhat cheap service should be expected and if your expectations are surpassed, great!
There are "top providers" here that may have been a starting point for you rather than seeming so demanding, I can almost bet your previous hosts was NOT a top or recognised provider anywhere.