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Provider OK with lots of ICMPs
Bit of a long shot, but are there any providers that will allow a lot of outgoing ICMPs? (Think millions)
Need it for a AI project I'm building, but that would seem to run afoul of most provider's no portscanning rules.
No actual port scanning of specific ports, just pings to see which IPs are live to study the data over time.
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Million per hour, per day or per month? Per month should be fine.
Not sure tbh. It's an IP space of 30m addresses. I assume the vast majority of them don't respond to ICMPs so would build up a database of which ones are occasionally online & just ping those regularly not the entire 30m.
Ideally per hour, which I'm guessing is about 2-3 gigs of traffic per hour if I use 1 byte pings. I assume it's going to be quite heavy on the network stack though since it's lots of tiny transactions, so don't want to do this without permission.
IP space of 30m is too much, not sure if anyone can provide that unless you have a very good justification. I am not a provider but maybe some providers can give some advices.
Then who are you going to ask?
Get a dedicated server with OVH, do not do this on a VPS.
Do you have a specific budget in mind?
It would come down to trying it.
Bit more research suggests this is gonna to end badly no matter what option I go for. Not worth it for a curiosity project...
Collocate your own server in local dc. Than you will have more freedom to perform such 'curiosity tests'.
well, only if one brings own IPs and ASN, otherwise I don’t see a difference between a dedicated and a colo...
30M IPs / 3600 seconds = 8,333.33(repeating) IPs/second
8,333.33 * 64 byte ICMP echo request packet = 520.83KB per second. = 1.78GB traffic volume/hour
8,333.33 * 45 byte ICMP echo request packet = 366.21KB per second = 1.25GB traffic volume/hour.
1.78GB * 30 days = 1.25TB/month
1.25GB * 30 days = 900GB/month
TLDR: It's really not a lot of traffic.
Not a lot of bandwidth but a lot of tiny packets, if the provider has any sort of DDos mitigation for outbound it will probably get the server nullrouted
Above, and it may well generate some abuse reports.
And it will generate a ticket.
Thanks for the responses. A provider contacted me who is willing to give it a shot.
To be clear I'm not planning on hitting all 30m every hour. Gonna go through all of them a couple times to work out which ones are responding and then regularly ping that reduces set. Hoping it's sub 1m regular ones.
Why not split the load horizontally onto Multiple nodes
I'd seriously like to know who nulls on outbound traffic.
1IP getting pinged per hour, how would that generate any abuse complaint from the receiving side? It would be a tiny blip, and 500KB/s is not going to cause any abuse on the local network.
We had a customer receiving an abuse report for sending one (1) ping request per hour to an foreign server. the foreign ids reacted on that one (1) ping per hour...
and i hope you certainly did something about it!
From the network perspective this can be tens of thousands IPs being ‘hit’ and that can certainly piss some people off if it crosses their threshold and ends up being logged.
@Clouvider
The destination side can drop ICMP, again still a mynute issue. Just like whitelisting SSH.
Do you not see the numerous amounts of fail2ban emails? They all end up in the garbage I'm sure.
It can. So can DDoS victim drop the traffic. That’s besides the point.
Please go ahead with this grand project of yours.
For the community. It will end badly for you but I am sure you worked such minor details out.
Bring the justice to the world. Welcome to the Nigh sect.