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BuyVM Block Storage Slabs! $1.25/mo for 256GB! $5.00/mo for 1TB! CN2 GIA also available!

FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
edited November 3 in Offers

Heyo!

Its been a year since we had our public feedback request for our block storage offerings and are happy to announce that Soon, has finally come! We've only rolled out Vegas for the time being but now that the initial launch is ready, NY & LU will go much easier.


BLOCK STORAGE SLABS!

  • $1.25/month per 256GB.
  • Increases in increments of 1TB after the 1st 1TB.
  • Maximum of 10TB per Volume.
  • Maximum of 8 Volumes attached to a single Virtual Server.
  • Storage is NVME cached for both reads and writes (over 10TB of active caching!)
  • Storage is connected to all nodes over Infiniband RDMA to give local storage like performance!

ORDER BLOCK STORAGE SLABS HERE!


ALL SLABS REQUIRE A SLICE TO OPERATE!

SLICE 1024
- ¼ Core @ 3.50+ GHz
- Fair Share CPU Usage
- 1024 MB Memory
- 20 GB SSD Storage
- 1000Mbit Unmetered Bandwidth!
- 1 IPv4 Address

$3.50/month - Las Vegas / New York / Luxembourg

SLICE 2048
- ½ Core @ 3.50+ GHz
- Fair Share CPU Usage
- 2048 MB Memory
- 40 GB SSD Storage
- 1000Mbit Unmetered Bandwidth!
- 1 IPv4 Address

$7.00/month - Las Vegas / New York / Luxembourg


CN2 GIA IP addresses are also available for $3.00/month on all SLICE 2048's or higher.


We'd like to personally thank all of the beta testers that have taken part in this product roll out.

Francisco

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  • Thanks @Francisco. Well worth the wait.

    How much storage did you build out? (I understand if you don't want to say for competitive reasons.)

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
    edited November 3

    Weblogics said: How much storage did you build out? (I understand if you don't want to say for competitive reasons.)

    We have 500TB sellable.

    There's more than that provisioned but we had a lot of old storage customers that we converted over to this setup.

    The cluster and performance you'll experience is from an already very busy cluster, so everything's well burned in.

    Francisco

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  • Great for setting up object storage!

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    @varunchopra said:
    Great for setting up object storage!

    Yep :) No problem shoving minio on it and enjoying.

    Francisco

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  • What happens with the beta slices? Can we convert them to paid slices, or do we buy new slices and migrate the data?

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    @willie said:
    What happens with the beta slices? Can we convert them to paid slices, or do we buy new slices and migrate the data?

    Your choice.

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  • GattoGatto Member

    Good to see it was finally launched. Waiting for them to appear in NY so I can migrate my old storage server. :smiley:

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  • gestiondbigestiondbi Member, Provider

    Valid with any slice plan?

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    @gestiondbi said:
    Valid with any slice plan?

    Yes sir, assuming it's in Vegas.

    Francisco

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  • @Francisco

    Question on upgrading the slab size.

    For example, a 500 GB to 1 TB size? Once the 1 TB slab is ordered, does the 500 GB slab get auto resized or does it need to be deleted then the new 1 TB attached?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @Weblogics said:
    @Francisco

    Question on upgrading the slab size.

    For example, a 500 GB to 1 TB size? Once the 1 TB slab is ordered, does the 500 GB slab get auto resized or does it need to be deleted then the new 1 TB attached?

    You would upgrade the volume in billing, you can pick a new size.

    The volume would be grown on our end and then you use parted/etc to resize the partition/filesystem.

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  • Time for LU launch?

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  • Great!
    Does it have redundancy to prevent data loss?
    Could it be expanded?
    Could it be mounted to Windows VM?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @hiphiphip0 said:
    Great!
    Does it have redundancy to prevent data loss?
    Could it be expanded?
    Could it be mounted to Windows VM?

    Yes.

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  • This is good, what redundancy method do you use?

    Use this with B2 to backup will be amazing :smiley: .

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @newzth said:
    This is good, what redundancy method do you use?

    Use this with B2 to backup will be amazing :smiley: .

    RAID10.

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  • newzth said: Use this with B2 to backup will be amazing :smiley: .

    This is actually as cheap as (cheaper than?) B2 and far more functional.

  • lurchlurch Member

    Can't wait for this at LUX, how many iops are allocated?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @lurch said:
    Can't wait for this at LUX, how many iops are allocated?

    We aren't doing any hard caps at the moment.

    I'm hoping to keep it that way where we just punish the people that decided they needed a 256GB swap file and are running a massive SQL server on it.

    @willie said:

    newzth said: Use this with B2 to backup will be amazing :smiley: .

    This is actually as cheap as (cheaper than?) B2 and far more functional.

    The VPS makes it more expensive, but you can do whatever you want with it, not just backups.

    Francisco

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  • v3ngv3ng Member

    Looks awesome! But I'd appreciate smaller slices e.g. 512MB RAM.

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    @v3ng said:
    Looks awesome! But I'd appreciate smaller slices e.g. 512MB RAM.

    We're not interested in splitting the plan any further, sorry!

    Francisco

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  • @Francisco

    Is this iSCSI backend connecting to a zpool or HW RAID? I ask because running ZFS on ZFS is not recommended and should be mentioned to your clients.

    10TB caching is quite excessive since it will be mostly empty by your users patterns. If you don't have the RAM to back up the amount of disk caching data pointers, performance will also suffer.

    I hope you didn't enable deduplication.

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    @techhelper1 said:
    @Francisco

    Is this iSCSI backend connecting to a zpool or HW RAID? I ask because running ZFS on ZFS is not recommended and should be mentioned to your clients.

    10TB caching is quite excessive since it will be mostly empty by your users patterns. If you don't have the RAM to back up the amount of disk caching data pointers, performance will also suffer.

    I hope you didn't enable deduplication.

    The only part you got right in this whole post is the 10TB of cache. The cache is slow populating so thrashing isn't a major concern but it helps greatly for someone wacking at a database server or things like that. The person deciding to download cachefly won't really hit the cache and will go straight to rust.

    There's 1.25TB of RAM in the storage cluster for read buffering as well, which will take even more strain off the NVME caching layer.

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  • Francisco said: The only part you got right in this whole post is the 10TB of cache.

    I'd hope there is some form of data protection. :wink:

    For database use, it'd make more sense to use your shared SQL offering, which would allow more of your clients to spin up more VMs to interact with the same database.

    Francisco said: The person deciding to download cachefly won't really hit the cache and will go straight to rust.

    How would you know that for sure? Everything that is initially read or written to this storage solution is going to be cached, and depending on your deduplication setup (if it's in use) will just confirm the writes, while on read it'll just blast it over the wire.

    Francisco said: There's 1.25TB of RAM in the storage cluster for read buffering as well, which will take even more strain off the NVME caching layer.

    With that kind of RAM in place, I highly doubt your disk caching will come into play at all, and if it does, it's only for a short period of time.

    In the end, I just see this as a cheap backup storage solution.

  • lurchlurch Member

    I think Fran would have thought about this and tested a lot before releasing it and I wouldn't have any doubts using this service.

  • @lurch I'm sure it has been tested and the overall product works, I have 0 problems with that.

  • techhelper1 said: In the end, I just see this as a cheap backup storage solution.

    I think it's overkill for that and Fran is going for higher performance. The previous storage product showed that is needed since people used it as media servers etc.

    I think there is still an unfilled niche for cheap backup storage in the US, along the lines of Hetzner's Storage Box which is about due for a price drop. That's basically no frills raid-6 storage with scp access (no vps). Slabs are a higher end product with raid 10 and lots of caching and block device interface etc. But even with all that, it's still priced competitively with more minimal solutions.

  • techhelper1techhelper1 Member
    edited November 4

    willie said: Slabs are a higher end product with raid 10 and lots of caching and block device interface etc.

    RAID 10 is required for redundancy and speed, what else would you expect?


    For media streaming and backups, do you really think NVME and 10TB+ worth of caching on the front end is required? I certainly don't. I maybe see 4TB used but for purposes outside what you have mentioned.

    I have personally done tests with ZFS where I can have 20 spinning disks and only have the ARC and L2ARC PCI-E caching. I don't see a need for a big cache in write events when the data is regularly flushed out to the disks every 5 seconds or so (which is about 50GB of data with a redundant 40Gbit setup).


    What does it change if it's a block device or accessible via the network connection? If you're running a media server over the Internet, you're still capped at the 1G speed or whatever is available on the servers bridge.

  • Torrents were really the issue with the old storage plans, dozens of VMs just slamming I/O. I get the feeling that Fran likes to overbuild these sorts of things on purpose, and/or has use cases beyond what's currently available in mind for these storage arrays.

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  • Torrents or not, the slamming I/O problem will always exist no matter if the storage is local or remote. The big issue is one user can consume all I/O of a node (local or remote) and make others suffer. The remote side will suffer longer because of hardware upgrades to get more I/O, and if downtime is required, you'll lose access to your data and may not be able to recover automatically.

  • FHRFHR Member, Provider

    @techhelper1 said:

    willie said: Slabs are a higher end product with raid 10 and lots of caching and block device interface etc.

    RAID 10 is required for redundancy and speed, what else would you expect?

    It's not. There are different methods as well.

    For media streaming and backups, do you really think NVME and 10TB+ worth of caching on the front end is required? I certainly don't. I maybe see 4TB used but for purposes outside what you have mentioned.

    Yes. If 50 people stream the same file, the data would theoretically be fetched into the cache, and read from the slow disk storage only once.

    Great for media servers, download sites, torrents etc…

    I have personally done tests with ZFS where I can have 20 spinning disks and only have the ARC and L2ARC PCI-E caching. I don't see a need for a big cache in write events when the data is regularly flushed out to the disks every 5 seconds or so (which is about 50GB of data with a redundant 40Gbit setup).

    This is most likely not a ZFS setup - so caching algorithms will work totally differently.

    What does it change if it's a block device or accessible via the network connection? If you're running a media server over the Internet, you're still capped at the 1G speed or whatever is available on the servers bridge.

    It is a huge difference, mainly in latency. Infiniband is superiour to Ethernet, even if on paper they may have same maximum speed.

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  • williewillie Member
    edited November 4

    techhelper1 said: RAID 10 is required for redundancy and speed, what else would you expect?

    For basic cheap backup, raid-6 (like Hetzner Storagebox) or even no raid at all (like the now-scarce SYS ARM storage servers). What I'm inferring from slabs' use of raid-10 etc. is that they are built as a more versatile product than that. BuyVM's users have all kinds of applications in mind besides backup, so this is great for them.

  • key900key900 Member, Provider
    edited November 4

    @techhelper1 said:

    > [willie said](/discussion/comment/2893025/#Comment_

    What does it change if it's a block device or accessible via the network connection? If you're running a media server over the Internet, you're still capped at the 1G speed or whatever is available on the servers bridge.

    You are wrong in that part we have like 21.98 GBytes by iperf test in Black Storage so since fran using 40Gbit Infiniband So he have like 11 to 20 GBytes depend on what kind card is by iperf

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    Is there any way to get additional cores without the memory and other things? GlusterFS really likes threads. Do the servers support private networking? I'd like to separate that traffic from my external network.

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  • ferriferri Member

    @Francisco said:

    @varunchopra said:
    Great for setting up object storage!

    Yep :) No problem shoving minio on it and enjoying.

    Francisco

    So we can use it as a regular filesystem, right?

  • HarambeHarambe Member
    edited November 4

    @jlay said:
    Is there any way to get additional cores without the memory and other things? GlusterFS really likes threads. Do the servers support private networking? I'd like to separate that traffic from my external network.

    Don't think it's possible. Would love a 4GB plan with 50% of 2 cores, but I think the plans are pretty set in stone.

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  • @ferri said:

    So we can use it as a regular filesystem, right?

    Correct. I have mine formatted as ext4 then set to mount on boot.

  • jlayjlay Member
    edited November 4

    Just ordered three VMs with nine slabs, going to do raid-z across three drives on three servers running GlusterFS, excited to see how it turns out :smile: Might even try an LVM stripe instead of RAID for kicks!

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    @jlay said:
    Just ordered three VMs with nine slabs, going to do raid-z across three drives on three servers running GlusterFS, excited to see how it turns out :smile:

    You'll be limited to 1gbit or so since that's the network port.

    As mentioned I'm aiming to get the private lan over the infiniband fabric but will need some extra work before that's possible.

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  • jlayjlay Member
    edited November 4

    @Francisco said:

    @jlay said:
    Just ordered three VMs with nine slabs, going to do raid-z across three drives on three servers running GlusterFS, excited to see how it turns out :smile:

    You'll be limited to 1gbit or so since that's the network port.

    As mentioned I'm aiming to get the private lan over the infiniband fabric but will need some extra work before that's possible.

    Francisco

    Ah, gotcha! No worries. Is it a separate gigabit allocation on another interface? If so, that'll be perfectly fine (basically what I run everywhere else).

    Cool to hear that's being looked into! We've done something similar where I work (not RDMA, something proprietary) but I understand how involved it can prove to be.

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  • @Francisco

    Are you having trouble with orders and or activating the slabs? I ordered another slab last night and has been stuck in pending now for ~ 12 hours.

  • desperanddesperand Member
    edited November 4

    key900 said: You are wrong in that part we have like 21.98 GBytes by iperf test in Black Storage so since fran using 40Gbit Infiniband So he have like 11 to 20 GBytes depend on what kind card is by iperf

    This equipment is very pricey. I don't think that small-medium companies can afford this.
    And also I don't see any economy there though too, if compare to classic storage. Maybe renting place is cost a lot there, who knows... I don't understand the whole business model related to storage too, it's, I think, not possible to sell this storage so cheap with using such pricey technologies right now. Looks like or used cheaper equipment or someone in long-term will be dead pulled or will start selling some of his body parts for paying debs.

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    @Weblogics said:
    @Francisco

    Are you having trouble with orders and or activating the slabs? I ordered another slab last night and has been stuck in pending now for ~ 12 hours.

    Billing is 9-5. Karen is on handling things now, sorry about that!

    Francisco

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  • FHRFHR Member, Provider
    edited November 4

    @desperand said:

    This equipment is very pricey. I don't think that small-medium companies can afford this.

    On the contrary, stuff for 40gig (QDR) Infiniband is very cheap, since it has been obsolete for quite some time - just look on eBay.

    100gig (EDR) Infiniband is the modern standard - and for that, the equipment is indeed pretty pricey.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    ferri said: So we can use it as a regular filesystem, right?

    In the eyes of the VPS it's just like any other harddrive.

    You can format it however you want with whatever you want. Or if you're a baller you can go write an application that interacts at the block level.

    Really, it's entirely up to you.

    If anyone needs help formatting/partitioning, just ticket and I'll sort you out.

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  • FHR said: On the contrary, stuff for 40gig (QDR) Infiniband is very cheap, since it has been obsolete for quite some time - just look on eBay.

    You're right, I got confused, thank you for clarification ^_~

  • sinsin Member

    Awesome! Will order asap when NY slice is available :-)

  • techhelper1techhelper1 Member
    edited November 4

    FHR said: It is a huge difference, mainly in latency. Infiniband is superiour to Ethernet, even if on paper they may have same maximum speed.

    Of course, it's the latency, but what I'm saying is that if your application requires a resource from the Internet (like Plex) then the latency argument is tossed.

    FHR said: It's not. There are different methods as well.

    Yep. Just depends on if you want parity and where you want to place that calculation in the pipeline.

    key900 said: You are wrong in that part we have like 21.98 GBytes by iperf test in Black Storage so since fran using 40Gbit Infiniband So he have like 11 to 20 GBytes depend on what kind card is by iperf

    The conversion numbers are below, but since Fran said each block user is locked to 1G, you're limited to a mechanical hard drive with the head at the outer edge of the platter performance with NVME seek times.

    (Edited the table below, forgot to factor in 8b/10b encoding.)

    1G = 125MB/s
    10Gbits (8Gbits) = 1.25GB/s (1GB/s)
    40Gbits (32Gbits) = 5GB/s (4GB/s)
    56Gbits (40/54Gbits depending on link type) = 7GB/s (5GB or 6.75GB/s)

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    @sin said:
    Awesome! Will order asap when NY slice is available :-)

    NY/LU will be next year at this point.

    Waiting to get a good feel for how the platform works so we can make whatever improvements we need before I ship gear to remote locations.

    Francisco

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  • techhelper1 said: but since Fran said each block user is locked to 1G

    Think that was in reference to the guy setting up a storage cluster that would use the public network between VMs. Block storage isn't limited to 1Gbps, easily pushing 500-700+MB/s

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