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Rules for selling on LowEndTalk [Updated November 2021]
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Rules for selling on LowEndTalk [Updated November 2021]

JackHJackH Moderator
edited November 19 in Announcements

Last update: Nov 2021 (Added service transfers category)

These rules are in place to both protect the members of this community as well as requiring a certain participation before people can start posting offers.

Posting offers on LET is a privilege, not a right. The admins and mods reserve the right to deny this privilege to anyone at their discretion. You will find many reasons why they may exercise this discretion in the community rules.

The current list of Low End Talk moderators:

@hawc, @hzr, @JackH, @Jord, @PieHasBeenEaten

The current list of Low End Talk Administrators:

@trewq, @jbiloh, @FAT32, @raindog308

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Provider tags


  1. You must have 15 (non-spammy) posts and have been registered on LET for 30 days to request a provider tag.
  2. Requesting a provider tag must be done through the helpdesk.
  3. You must have a website with a proper ordering system ("email me for this deal" does not count).
  4. You must offer more than just shared hosting (i.e. VPSes or Dedicated servers) to get a provider tag.
  5. When applying please include your LET username, the link to your public company registration in your country of registration, your company number, a link to your website and public WHOIS information.
  6. For users or companies with an approved/existing Provider Tag, requests to re-assign the Tag to a new user/account must be made through the helpdesk and the required post count/active days rule may be waived at the discretion of the moderator reviewing the request.

Template for provider tag request
Open a ticket at our helpdesk with the following:

Subject:
    Provider tag request
Body:
    LET profile: https://www.lowendtalk.com/profile/
    Company name:
    Public company registration:
    Company number:
    Website: (WHMCS/billing panel link) 
    Public WHOIS:

If not all of this is applicable to you (for example, your country doesn't publish company registration documents publicly), please inform us and use your best judgement to provide alternative evidence for the duration over which you have traded.

REMINDER: IF YOU OPEN A PROVIDER TAG REQUEST TICKET WITHOUT PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION THERE WILL BE A 90 DAY WAIT BEFORE YOU CAN RE-APPLY.

Host Rep tags


  1. Cannot post offers.
  2. Must be approved by staff and the "parent provider", which must already have a provider tag.
  3. Mainly useful for bigger companies with multiple employees active on LET.
  4. Must specify your parent provider in your signature.
  5. Actions/abuse will reflect on your parent provider.

Template for provider tag request
Open a ticket at our helpdesk with the following:

Subject:
    Host rep tag request
Body:
    Company name:
    LET profile of provider: https://www.lowendtalk.com/profile/
    LET profile of host rep: https://www.lowendtalk.com/profile/
    Evidence of approval:

General offer thread rules


  1. You must have a provider tag to post any offer threads at all.
  2. You are allowed post an offer every 10 days (posts in the "offers" category and the "shared hosting offers" category are on separate timers)
  3. For currency other than USD, it is your responsibility to ensure the equivalent USD price at the time of posting is within the rules.
  4. List the final recurring price after any discounts. Just the discount percentage is not enough.
  5. No unlimited in offers. So, no "unlimited disk space". If you offer unlimited/unmetered bandwidth, specify the limiting factor (mostly port speed) and whether it's shared or not. Unlimited features (like mailboxes or subdomains) is allowed.
  6. Be informative in your offers. List basic specifications (memory, storage, bandwidth, port speed, virtualisation method) and pricing on a per-plan basis. Data centre location and a test IP would be ideal.
  7. List total price per billing period, not just equivalent monthly cost.

VPS rules


  1. Offer thread rules apply.
  2. Only post offers that are under $7/month or equivalent recurring.
  3. If you've been in business for less than a year, the maximum billing period allowed is quarterly ($21/quarter).
  4. If you've been in business for over a year, the maximum billing period allowed is yearly ($84/year).

Dedicated Server rules


  1. Offer thread rules apply.
  2. Only post offers that are under $100/month recurring.
  3. Only monthly offers allowed.
  4. No setup fees.

Shared Hosting rules


  1. Offer thread rules apply.
  2. You have to have been registered on LET for 6 months and have 30 non-spammy posts before posting shared hosting offers.
  3. Shared hosting offers have to go in the "Shared Hosting Offers" sub-forum.
  4. Standard shared hosting account price limit of $7/month or equivalent recurring
  5. Shared "reseller" hosting account price limit of $10/month or equivalent recurring

Resellers


  1. This part only applies to direct resellers (i.e. "reselling another company's VPS line"), not to people "renting out VPS services on a dedicated server".
  2. If you wish to offer re-sold stuff, contact the staff prior to posting your offer to get permission.
  3. Only cases where choosing you over the original seller is a significant advantage will be considered (access to extra-cheap deals, language barriers, etc).
  4. You must make clear in your offer post that you are a reseller, and who you are reselling.
  5. Reselling is only allowed for VPS/Dedicated servers. Reselling "shared hosting" is not allowed. Selling "reseller hosting" is allowed.

Misc rules


  1. Using a nulled WHMCS (or other nulled billing software) grants you and your company a lifetime ban on LET.
  2. You must have valid, public WHOIS info for your domain and/or provide proof of company registration on your website (publicly accessible on the website of your country's commerce authority).
  3. It is not allowed to reply to request threads with "PM me" or "email me" without a provider tag or Host Rep tag.
  4. If you are found to be misleading customers or using ethically questionable practices that may result in financial loss to customers, your provider tag will be changed to a host_rep tag and you will not be able to post offers.
  5. No unsolicited PM's offering services, even if you find a thread that suggests they are looking for a specific thing and you can provide it the offer must be put in public view unless the OP specifically requests PM's.

License Sales Rules


  1. We only allow sales of owned licenses for products where the vendor supports license transfers. Selling an "account" or a login is not allowed. Note that WHMCS disallowed license transfers in October 2020, so selling WHMCS licenses is no longer allowed on LET.

Domain Auctions


  1. Posting domain auctions does not require any special tags.
  2. Maximum starting/reserve price is $7.
  3. Members can only list 1 domain auction thread per 10 days.
  4. You need to have been registered for at least 30 days and have at least 25 non-spammy posts to post a domain auction or to bid in a domain auction.
  5. All domains in the auction must be at least 6 months old.
  6. All bids must be public and made in the domain auction thread.
  7. A deal is a deal. A failure to actually sell/transfer the domains after having offered them on action will have consequences for you at LowEndTalk. A failure to respond or finish the transaction in a decent matter (or at all) as the highest bidder may also have consequences for you at LowEndTalk.
  8. We don't hold any responsibility for potential disputes between two parties. Participating in auctions is at your own risk.
  9. Seller must specify currency (USD, Euros, North Korean won, etc.) and payment terms (PayPal, crypto, etc.) in the auction post. Which payment form(s) to accept are up to the seller and any buyer agrees to pay in that form (so don't win an auction that requires PayPal and then say you don't use PayPal).
  10. Minimum bid increments must be specified, maximum $2
  11. An end date/time must be specified with timezone.

Service Transfers


  1. Posting service transfers do not require any special tags.
  2. Members can only list 1 service transfer thread per 10 days.
  3. You need to have been registered for at least 30 days and have at least 25 non-spammy posts to post a service transfer.
  4. The selling price for the service cannot be more than 2 times the recurring price, or $10, whichever is higher.
  5. The transfer must be allowed by the provider and done in official methods. Transferring the whole account by changing the account information is not allowed.
  6. We don't hold any responsibility for potential disputes between the two parties. Participating in service transfers is at your own risk.

If you do not abide by the above rules, you will receive a warning, your thread might be edited or removed without resetting your offer timer. In some cases, a ban can be applied. Bans can be appealed through the helpdesk only.

Giveaways

Anyone (including providers) wishing to offer a giveaway to the community must receive permission from an admin prior to posting. We are generally happy to do so but want to protect the community from scams.

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Comments

  • Strange. Not sure I get why the bar is set higher for shared hosting providers than vps providers (registered for 6 months vs 30 days).

    And you can't post shared hosting offers if you don't also offer VPSes? Might have to revoke some provider tags if you're going to enforce that.

  • JackHJackH Moderator

    Thanks for updating this @AnthonySmith :-) Wasn't in the most obvious of places before!

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member
    edited January 2018

    MasonR said: Strange. Not sure I get why the bar is set higher for shared hosting providers than vps providers (registered for 6 months vs 30 days).

    That's not new :), for clarity afaik it was like that spanning back to 2014, it was supposed to be for LET established VPS hosts to also be able to offer shared hosting as a little bolt on.

    MasonR said: And you can't post shared hosting offers if you don't also offer VPSes? Might have to revoke some provider tags if you're going to enforce that.

    Neither is that, and it is being looked into.

    It has just been made clearer due to the number of 12-year-olds with a $5 cPanel reseller account and WHMCS applying for provider tags.

    I did discuss the idea of allowing shared only hosts with the rest of the staff with a much higher bar set for entry, it was a big fat no vote with the concern it would take away from the core value, being the VPS market

  • MasonR said: Strange. Not sure I get why the bar is set higher for shared hosting providers than vps providers (registered for 6 months vs 30 days).

    As shared hosting is a whole lot tougher to get right than selling VPS's.

    Thanked by 2MasonR coreflux
  • @Aidan said:

    MasonR said: Strange. Not sure I get why the bar is set higher for shared hosting providers than vps providers (registered for 6 months vs 30 days).

    As shared hosting is a whole lot tougher to get right than selling VPS's.

    As demonstrated by the ongoing alphawoot saga. :P

    Thanked by 1Aidan
  • MasonRMasonR Member
    edited January 2018

    @AnthonySmith said:

    MasonR said: Strange. Not sure I get why the bar is set higher for shared hosting providers than vps providers (registered for 6 months vs 30 days).

    That's not new :), for clarity afaik it was like that spanning back to 2014, it was supposed to be for LET established VPS hosts to also be able to offer shared hosting as a little bolt on.

    Ahh okay. I supposed I never thoroughly read through the rules to sell before. Makes sense.

    MasonR said: And you can't post shared hosting offers if you don't also offer VPSes? Might have to revoke some provider tags if you're going to enforce that.

    Neither is that, and it is being looked into.

    It has just been made clearer due to the number of 12-year-olds with a $5 cPanel reseller account and WHMCS applying for provider tags.

    I see, I didn't think about that aspect. Definitely makes sense. Especially with the number of master alpha beta gamma resellers we hear complaints from when their provider goes to crap.

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  • "Top Provider"

  • AidanAidan Member
    edited January 2018
  • Hail Tony!!!

  • WSSWSS Member

    ..and I get shit for derailing?

    I still don't see how this works for, say, contract coders, admins, et al..

  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    $84/mo for dedicated servers?

    Why the raise? I think $49/mo was good enough.

  • @WSS said:
    I still don't see how this works for, say, contract coders, admins, et al..

    Is it supposed to?

  • @BlaZe said:
    $84/mo for dedicated servers?

    Why the raise? I think $49/mo was good enough.

    6 months ago, I’d have agreed with you.

    3 months ago I bought a server for roughly $96/month because it was such a cracking deal.

    Plenty of folks paid in excess of $49 for those lovely Hetzner deals last year.

    Maybe we should give it a try, and see how it works?

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    BlaZe said: Why the raise? I think $49/mo was good enough.

    To avoid seeing the dump stock of barely working, 5 years or longer EOL, stock only with a mix of OVH and Hetzner all the time in a loop.

    Thanked by 3Aidan Junkless BlaZe
  • @WSS said:
    ..and I get shit for derailing?

    I still don't see how this works for, say, contract coders, admins, et al..

    Depends on content, premium memes are not supposed to derail.

  • @Neoon said:

    @WSS said:
    ..and I get shit for derailing?

    I still don't see how this works for, say, contract coders, admins, et al..

    Depends on content, premium memes are not supposed to derail.

    You may have an overly high opinion of your capabilities in that regard.

  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited January 2018

    @Nekki said:
    You may have an overly high opinion of your capabilities in that regard.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited January 2018

    So if I do not decide to offer VPS aside from Shared Hosting I will not be able to post offers anymore? Seems like this is it for me. I only offer webhosting/webdesign and occasionally move clients who require it to a vps although I do not sell vps as a standalone product but rather redirect my clients to a fitting vps host and move/manage their website there respectively.

    Thanked by 3uptime MasonR FHR
  • @clouvider be first let provider giving price over $49 post your deals

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    @robohost said:
    @clouvider be first let provider giving price over $49 post your deals

    Nothing matching in stock at the moment, sorry :(

  • Well if someone has a Dual E5 - 128GB 8 x SAS server with raid 10 for $79 they cant post it and it would be an amazing deal (leaseweb for example), the new dedi price is just a trial and not one I imagine will last, users will get their say.

    It also helps to find deals in less common places like asia/australia.

    If it turns out that the same old EOL crap just goes up in price here and that's the only effect, then yes it will be reverted.

    give it a chance.

  • @AnthonySmith Any response for my concern (see above)?

    Thanked by 1uptime
  • WSSWSS Member
    edited January 2018

    @Nekki said:

    @WSS said:
    I still don't see how this works for, say, contract coders, admins, et al..

    Is it supposed to?

    Beats me, but Anthony said there were changes underway to answer my pretend-complaint. See also @Ympker's statement.

  • uptimeuptime Member
    edited January 2018

    @Ympker said:
    @AnthonySmith Any response for my concern (see above)?

    Perhaps you will qualify for a fine fine superfine "LET Outlaw" flair ?

    Thanked by 2Ympker coreflux
  • @Neoon said:

    @Nekki said:
    You may have an overly high opinion of your capabilities in that regard.

    Ok, I’ll give you that one.

  • /me LET Outlaw

  • Ympker said: @AnthonySmith Any response for my concern (see above)?

    It is not a rule I introduced, not sure when it was I will have a chat with the rest of the staff and PM you, no immediate cause for concern.

    Thanked by 1Ympker
  • @AnthonySmith said:

    Ympker said: @AnthonySmith Any response for my concern (see above)?

    It is not a rule I introduced, not sure when it was I will have a chat with the rest of the staff and PM you, no immediate cause for concern.

    Alright.

  • in case anyone wondered about the new dedi price on trial, it was just an arbitrary $7*12 as there are no metrics to see what would work, so it may stay, it may be altered it may be completely reverted.

    if the impact is negative, it will be changed accordingly.

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