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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    Agreed. I would definitely set the price limit to 99 USD for Dedicated Servers and keep the 7 USD limit for VPS.

    Glad to have you here @funkywizard, you are a very respectable provider, old enough to know the market very well.

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  • WSSWSS Member
    edited March 2018

    @MikePT can't get quite enough duck to chin. Still, he has a damn good point.

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  • Rules updated to be less confusing.

    Main changes:

    • VPS pricing now set at $7/month or equivalent for a billing period of max a year ($84/year)
    • New providers (in business less than a year) can offer quarterly as max billing period ($21/quarter)
    • Accounts without a provider tag cannot reply with "PM for offer" at all (used to be allowed if they clarified which company they represented, used to cause some confusion)
    • Domain auctions now require bids to be made in the same currency as the one listed by the OP.

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  • SmallWebSmallWeb Member, Provider

    @teamacc said:
    Rules updated to be less confusing.

    Main changes:

    • VPS pricing now set at $7/month or equivalent for a billing period of max a year ($84/year)

    Is this one on a trial? Cheers

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Hoost said: Is this one on a trial? Cheers

    Nope, its a simplification.

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  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider

    @AnthonySmith

    Do reseller rules 2 & 3 apply for Dedicated Servers? or only VPS?

    Readydedis, LLC - Managed Dedicated Servers

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    BharatB said: Do reseller rules 2 & 3 apply for Dedicated Servers? or only VPS?

    Everything.

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider
    edited March 2018

    @AnthonySmith / @teamacc / @trewq

    What's are rules and/or criteria for selling Server Management services?

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    @BharatB said:
    @AnthonySmith / @teamacc / @trewq

    What's are rules and/or criteria for selling Server Management services?

    They would need to fall in line with the VPS rules, i.e. no more than $7 p/m or equivalent, you must have a functional billing system etc.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    @BharatB said:
    @AnthonySmith / @teamacc / @trewq

    What's are rules and/or criteria for selling Server Management services?

    They would need to fall in line with the VPS rules, i.e. no more than $7 p/m or equivalent, you must have a functional billing system etc.

    Server management under that price, I don't think is possible

    ^-^!

  • BharatBBharatB Member, Provider

    @jetchirag said:

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @BharatB said:
    @AnthonySmith / @teamacc / @trewq

    What's are rules and/or criteria for selling Server Management services?

    They would need to fall in line with the VPS rules, i.e. no more than $7 p/m or equivalent, you must have a functional billing system etc.

    Server management under that price, I don't think is possible

    Yup that's why won't be offering here for quite a while

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    jetchirag said: Server management under that price, I don't think is possible

    Well the LET price tag has always been highly exclusionary, that's what the majority of LET users want.

  • we are a startup company and we are a control panel developer based on VMware. But actually, I cannot find any details about this issue, anybody can help us for how can we provide our products in here?

    AutoVM runs nulled WHMCS and should be avoided

  • SmallWebSmallWeb Member, Provider

    @autovmnet said:
    we are a startup company and we are a control panel developer based on VMware. But actually, I cannot find any details about this issue, anybody can help us for how can we provide our products in here?

    I see CyberPanel is here, but I think that's free. I know nowt about the paid aspect if you do charge. Someone will though ;)

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  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited April 2018

    Hi gabe @funkywizard, nice to have you here.

    I'd have say that for some point offering a dedicated server under a 'minimum price' would be a genuine (that's why this forum called a lowend). But considering that the power factor (one of the reason behind the server's pricing) is not the same between each territory, I'd suggest making a "categorization" based on several factors (limiting factor). Bandwidth in Asia would have one of them. But the question then, why could OVH sell less?

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    @winnervps said:
    Hi gabe @funkywizard, nice to have you here.

    I'd have say that for some point offering a dedicated server under a 'minimum price' would be a genuine (that's why this forum called a lowend). But considering that the power factor (one of the reason behind the server's pricing) is not the same between each territory, I'd suggest making a "categorization" based on several factors (limiting factor). Bandwidth in Asia would have one of them. But the question then, why could OVH sell less?

    And quickly it becomes complicated and no-one knows what’s going on. Simplicity is key.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Domain auction rules updated - end date/time must be specified in OP

  • williewillie Member
    edited April 2018

    AnthonySmith said: If someone offers a dual E5-2690v4 with 256GB RAM and 4 x NVME drives on a 10gbit link for $200 in the USA we are not going to tell them to go away are we.. that's a killer deal.

    This is still going on? Yes that's a killer deal but imho it's completely outside of the LE concept, so if we want to include offers like that, we should change the forum name. I do believe "low end" means something and it's not simply "bargain hunters" or "great deals".

    LE can mean different things to different people of course. My take on it is that it's stuff that the average tech enthusiast can fund from a hobby budget without noticing the financial impact. People use LE servers for commercial purposes too and that's great, but it's optional. Most of us would never get a $200 server unless it was producing revenue somehow, no matter how big a bargain it is. So under the "personal funds" concept, that puts it clearly outside LE and it's best to make a new forum (hopefully avoiding WHT's problems) for offers like that.

    AnthonySmith said: tl;dr= A new BMW 5 M series for $15,000 is not a low end box(car) its a fantastic bargain, a 2 year old ford focus for $7,000 is a low end box(car) at a great price, by saying one of them is not low end based on price alone means you just lost your chance of a BMW 5 Series at a ridiculously 'low end' price for what you are actually getting for the money because you closed your eyes to the deal for the sake of an arbitrary rule.

    Why stop at the $15K BMW? Why not a $50K Rolls Royce? How about an A380 Jumbo Jet with a heated swimming pool for $20 million? All fantastic bargains. But none are remotely in the price range of someone looking in a forum for affordable transportation. So they don't belong in e.g. the cheap cars section of the classifieds.

    My suggestion: keep the LE limits in the main offer forum where they are, and make a high-roller subforum where the limits don't apply. To post in the high-end subforum, a provider would need a substantial track record of low end offers (within the LE limits). E.g. 6 months presence on the forum and at least 6 offer threads that meet LE limits for that type of server. So if they want to offer $200 dedis they have to have first made 6 offers for sub-$49 dedis. (It's less of an issue with VPS since getting a $7 VPS offer together is now basically trivial. So maybe the high end forum should be dedis only).

    To paraphrase @funkywizard, offering a $49 dedi isn't easy, because of power costs etc. And yet, many LET hosts manage to do it. Rather than treat it as an unreasonable burden I'd rather treat it as a test of a provider's ability to run a service under challenging cost controls. LE is, if nothing else, about the ability to control costs, so if a host can't do it they don't belong here. Once they have shown they can do that, then fine, let them bring on the higher offers (I guess with a requirement that the LE offers also have to keep coming).

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider
    edited April 2018

    It doesn't make sense. You're limiting this forum to Hetzner and OVH virtually and that's not a good thing.

    If you're not interested in buying for $55 then don't. Our ledger proves that while keeping the service sustainable at the bare minimum of $~56 USD we sell a lot to LET members who are generally very happy with the level of service provided. If you limit this back to $49 then it means I can't sell you, I won't be selling at a loss nor take unreasonable risks, therefore I won't make an offer here, for the sake of my current Customers who expect the service to be sustainable, thus reducing the choice for other members who're not too fussed about $7 more for the service requiring a dedicated physical asset. Thus potentially robbing LET of members who would stick around if they had a choice between crap and a sustainable service not limited to the crap service only.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider
    edited April 2018

    Interesting ideas, I the dedi's deals have been tracked since the trial rules, I we need to go through them and discuss and make a decision which will be done soon.

    Given spectre and meltdown essentially making about 50% of the dedi deals pointless on old hardware we used to see which were few and far between to begin with a compromise will be reached one way or another.

  • @Clouvider said: If you limit this back to $49 then it means I can't sell you

    Not LET's problem.

    @Clouvider said: Thus potentially robbing LET of members who would stick around if they had a choice between crap and a sustainable service not limited to the crap service only.

    I thoroughly enjoyed my 1.99 euro kidechire for the whole time it existed (~ 3 yrs i guess). Never once it went down, nor did I ever had to contact support for anything. If a specific price range that LET is all about isn't sustainable for you, it doesn't mean there aren't shops who can do it and do it good. Virmach, DbD, Nocix, online.net, OVH, Hetzner and there are lots and lots of providers who have much to offer under $49. If you don't, just post somewhere else. simple.

    @AnthonySmith said: I we need to go through them and discuss and make a decision which will be done soon.

    Rules shouldn't be relaxed/bent to suit the ledgers of specific providers.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Like I said it will be discussed, there are only 2 hosts on the staff of 9, the decisions like all decisions are made for the overall benefit of LET as a whole not to suit individual demands, the staff jointly have the best view of this in terms of impacts so are best placed to make the decision.

    regardless of personal opinion, the change has added content and engagement to the site as a whole however on balance the dedicated servers sub section of offers is still pretty insignificant in the scheme of things.

    My opinion is that the dedicated server offers have been so poor over the last few years and seriously declined because the price is just too restrictive, so all we have ended up with is the usual ovh, hetzner, online.net, nocix offers reposted by members rather than creating an actual market place we have created a sign posting to other market places service.

    New with spectre and meltdown a lot of the offers we would have seen under $49 for old hardware will be gone too as those chips should rightly be in the bin.

    Finally, I don't know which way it will go it is not my decision in isolation, but either way please understand, it is now such a tiny insignificant part of LET it really can't be argued that if the change was made long term it would have any measurable negative impact on you, if however in 6 months the dedi offers pick up again as a result, we can for sure look at dialing it back again, nothing is set in stole .... apart from $7

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    If you’re spinning this to imply that it was done so we benefit, I’ll save you the trouble and tell you that not once we have posted an offer thread while the rules were relaxed.

    Reducing the limit will, over time, reduce this community to a size of a small Facebook group. Limiting your membership when the trend is against you is silly.

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  • @AnthonySmith said: please understand, it is now such a tiny insignificant part of LET it really can't be argued that if the change was made long term it would have any measurable negative impact on you, if however in 6 months the dedi offers pick up again as a result, we can for sure look at dialing it back again, nothing is set in stole .... apart from $7

    I know that dedi offers are in any case very rare on LET and occupy very little space on the forum to affect the overall niche of it. My contention is more to do with how I perceive LET as and the concept about which this board was formed, of course a individual opinion doesn't matter though.

  • @Clouvider said: If you’re spinning this to imply that it was done so we benefit, I’ll save you the trouble and tell you that not once we have posted an offer thread while the rules were relaxed.

    Do you need to? In any case you can be found sailing & lingering in just every thread about dedicated servers, sometimes with a sales pitch, sometimes with some actual useful information and rest of the times belittling your competitors. The strategy might already be working enough for you in addition to the usual fan base recommending you every now and then.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Yep, cant please 100% of the people 100% of the time with a community this size.

    Once decisions have been made on the trials I will probably clean this thread up a bit to get new perspectives on the new rule set.

  • @Clouvider said: Reducing the limit will, over time, reduce this community to a size of a small Facebook group. Limiting your membership when the trend is against you is silly.

    The community has thrived and developed into what it is today on being about low-end stuff. It should maintain that instead of being all-inclusive and inviting all kinds of business models to use it as a marketplace.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Actually it has been shrinking pretty significantly for about the last 3 years, it has only started growing again in the last 6 or so weeks.

    Anecdotal but the only major thing that has changed is more offers being posted.

  • @AnthonySmith said: Actually it has been shrinking pretty significantly for about the last 3 years, it has only started growing again in the last 6 or so weeks.

    Anecdotal but the only major thing that has changed is more offers being posted.

    Probably gotten more popular in China in recent weeks. That might be the only reason.

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    @dynamo said:

    @AnthonySmith said: Actually it has been shrinking pretty significantly for about the last 3 years, it has only started growing again in the last 6 or so weeks.

    Anecdotal but the only major thing that has changed is more offers being posted.

    Probably gotten more popular in China in recent weeks. That might be the only reason.

    Even if, that's thanks to more offers =).

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider
    edited April 2018

    new rule added for customer protection:

    Misc rules

    • If you are found to be misleading customers or using ethically questionable practices that may result in financial loss to customers, your provider tag will be changed to a host_rep tag and you will not be able to post offers.
  • imokimok Member

    Hi @AnthonySmith
    It would be better if you try to simplify these rules in a single point, as they look like redundant:

    Provider tags:

    When applying please include a link to your public company registration in your country of registration, your company number, a link to your website and public whois information.

    Misc rules:

    You must have valid, public WHOIS info for your domain and/or provide proof of company registration on your website (publicly accessible on the website of your country's commerce authority).

  • @imok said:
    Hi @AnthonySmith
    It would be better if you try to simplify these rules in a single point, as they look like redundant:

    Provider tags:

    When applying please include a link to your public company registration in your country of registration, your company number, a link to your website and public whois information.

    Misc rules:

    You must have valid, public WHOIS info for your domain and/or provide proof of company registration on your website (publicly accessible on the website of your country's commerce authority).

    The first entry is so we can verify it easily, the second is so users can see it too.

    If only the second was present, we'd have to dig around a providers website to find it, and then search whatever registration authority for the details.

    So the duplicate part seems to be redundant, but it serves a purpose.

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  • williewillie Member

    My understanding has always been that one needs a provider tag to open a new offer thread, but other offers (like responding in someone else's request thread) doesn't require the tag. Amirite? I just want to be sure. I'm seeing some posts of that sort getting flagged.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MasonRMasonR Member

    @willie said:
    My understanding has always been that one needs a provider tag to open a new offer thread, but other offers (like responding in someone else's request thread) doesn't require the tag. Amirite? I just want to be sure. I'm seeing some posts of that sort getting flagged.

    Replying with an offer as a non-provider is allowed. However, some stipulations apply:

    (Misc rule #3) -

    It is not allowed to reply to request threads with "PM me" or "email me" without a provider tag or Host Rep tag.

    So any offers must contain a link to a proper company's site/billing panel to purchase the offer and it must be clear what company that individual represents.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Update 08th may 2018:

    • Domain auctions can be posted every 10 days just like any other offer type. - was every 30 days

    • Minimum time registered to post domain auctions is now 30 days. - was 14 days

    • Domain auctions no longer sink after 24 hours - this was manual and very rarely done in reality.

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  • JackHJackH Moderator

    @AnthonySmith said:
    Update 08th may 2018:

    • Domain auctions can be posted every 10 days just like any other offer type. - was every 30 days

    • Minimum time registered to post domain auctions is now 30 days. - was 14 days

    • Domain auctions no longer sink after 24 hours - this was manual and very rarely done in reality.

    Sounds fantastic! I look forward to hopefully finding a three letter domain that I can pick up for short hostnames! :-D

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  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    All domains in the auction must be at least 6 months old.

    @AnthonySmith, can this rule be amended?

    Why the 6 months old limit? There shouldn't be any minimum limit :D

    I mean, suppose I register a good domain name (I have) registered 2-3 days ago and I wish to list it here for the LETers to grab the opportunity of making use of the domain. But I'll need to wait for 6 months. Why?

    Please state your point of view on the 6 months waiting period.

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  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    @BlaZe said:

    I mean, suppose I register a good domain name (I have) registered 2-3 days ago and I wish to list it here for the LETers to grab the opportunity of making use of the domain. But I'll need to wait for 6 months. Why?

    I believe the answer lies in your question, to prevent people buy and quickly resell it here?

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  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider
    edited May 2018

    @FAT32 said:
    I believe the answer lies in your question, to prevent people buy and quickly resell it here?

    What is wrong in it? I mean a lot of opportunities can go waste, just imagine.

    Suppose you have a good domain name which honestly has no use for you but someone else from this community can make use of it.
    But, not everytime we can do charity, so you list it here for auction. You earn some small profit.

    Think about it. Sometimes a quick resale would be beneficial for others.

    EDIT: Oh and you'd get more than ~180 days left to make use of the domain names you buy off the auctions before ending up renewing them.

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    why did you buy it if you have no use for it then ?

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  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    @Clouvider said:
    why did you buy it if you have no use for it then ?

    To sell it here.

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider
    edited May 2018

    @BlaZe said:

    @Clouvider said:
    why did you buy it if you have no use for it then ?

    To sell it here.

    And that’s exactly what the rule was designed here to prevent.

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  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    @BlaZe said:

    What is wrong in it? I mean a lot of opportunities can go waste, just imagine.

    Suppose you have a good domain name which honestly has no use for you but someone else from this community can make use of it.
    But, not everytime we can do charity, so you list it here for auction. You earn some small profit.

    Think about it. Sometimes a quick resale would be beneficial for others.

    EDIT: Oh and you'd get more than ~180 days left to make use of the domain names you buy off the auctions before ending up renewing them.

    My intention is that if someone else want to get a domain name for a specific project, he/she can just search and get it from the registrar instead of bidding in forum, just because other people are squatting on a domain

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  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider
    edited May 2018

    @Clouvider said:
    And that’s exactly what the rule was designed here to prevent.

    :(

    @FAT32 said:
    My intention is that if someone else want to get a domain name for a specific project, he/she can just search and get it from the registrar instead of bidding in forum, just because other people are squatting on a domain.

    Partially agreed with this but still, there are scenarios where you must have (had) a lot of ideas to start/open/launch a service but wasn't getting a proper/brandable domain name idea for it.
    You by chance bump into the LET auction thread and hey! you'll be desperate to buy off the domain as it suits your "idea".

    Example:
    You want to open a service similar to say LES (LowEndSpirit) providing NAT based VPS but you weren't any how motivated or were clueless as to what identity you need for the new venture. You saw that someone is selling a good brandable domain name and it has caught your attention. You bought it off! Enjoy.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Nope, not interested in generating a scalping market place, that is why general re-sellers were also written out in the rules.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    BlaZe said: Example: You want to open a service similar to say LES (LowEndSpirit) providing NAT based VPS but you weren't any how motivated or were clueless as to what identity you need for the new venture. You saw that someone is selling a good brandable domain name and it has caught your attention. You bought it off! Enjoy.

    I mean, if you are talking about it more as a kind service and if your wanting to sell it at cost to help someone out then I suppose the rules could be changed to say <6 months old must be at cost with proof of purchase.

  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    @AnthonySmith said:
    I mean, if you are talking about it more as a kind service and if your wanting to sell it at cost to help someone out then I suppose the rules could be changed to say <6 months old must be at cost with proof of purchase.

    Sorry, I did not understand this. What kind of service should be appended with the domain?

    Also, what proof of purchase? Please elaborate :D this is getting interesting :)

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  • teamaccteamacc Member

    @AnthonySmith said:

    BlaZe said: Example: You want to open a service similar to say LES (LowEndSpirit) providing NAT based VPS but you weren't any how motivated or were clueless as to what identity you need for the new venture. You saw that someone is selling a good brandable domain name and it has caught your attention. You bought it off! Enjoy.

    I mean, if you are talking about it more as a kind service and if your wanting to sell it at cost to help someone out then I suppose the rules could be changed to say <6 months old must be at cost with proof of purchase.

    This stuff doesn't need to be in the rules. Contact the staff and we'll give permission (or won't) on a case-by-case basis.

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  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    @teamacc said:
    Contact the staff and we'll give permission (or won't) on a case-by-case basis.

    Sounds good but won't it increase the burden on the staff? Practically, users shooting off tickets to staff for listing a potential domain name which they registered few days might put extra load on the staff duties which I assume might already be a hectic work due to the size of the community.

    The idea is good but it'll put unnecessary load on the staff which in my eyes seem to be not good.

    If there can be a work-around to this, say the user needs to be atleast registered on LET for say 2-3 years (or more) to lift the limit of the minimum threshold of domain age to list as auction. How does it sound?

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