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Are there any providers like netcup in the US?
JohnMiller92
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I was looking at https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2130 and it seems verrryy nice. 2 dedicated Intel Gold 6140 cores, 5Gbit ddos protection and 40GB SSD space.
I found RamNode's VDS here, however it's a bit overkill for my needs (storage space), and am not sure if you still need to pay ddos protection ontop of that.
Does anyone else know of any others? Thanks in advance!
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you want the same specs?
like 2 dedicated cores?
the closest is buyvm slice kvm. but 1 dedicated core. and slightly expensive $15 USD.
Someone ran a thread a few weeks ago with the exact same question, except about Hetzner-like providers in the US. No they don't exist. The closest you can come would be something like a Kimsufi in BHS, Quebec.
@JohnMiller92 why not taking the netcup offer?
Because it's not in the US.
How much RAM and space do you need ?
You can design your own package here https://my.hosteons.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=35 and use coupon "DOUBLERAM" to get double RAM not sure if it will work for you or not as i don't know your exact requirement
dedicated cpu cores as what OP wanted? and DDoS protection?
OP did not stated if dedicated CPU is a requirement as OP just stated the offer he was looking at, sorry no we don't offer dedicated Cores
Yes 20Gbps DDOS Protection is included.
@creep basically, yeah.
@willie thanks, yeah seems like Kimsufi is really a great option. i just can never find when their ssd servers are available. i've done the mailing list, checkovh site, etc (4+months now iirc)
i was thinking of wholesale internet, but i can't find anything related to ddos on their site.
@HostEONS 2gb ram, 2 dedi cores, less than 50gb ssd.
after some discussion with willie, i'm thinking i would need a dedicated server. my usage is a small php forum, and a master gameserver (which has no tickrate, and just has a simple lobby chat and acts as a matchmaking server). i did some benchmarking/testing on gullo's and w00t's VPSs, and the cpu usage goes up to 50-60% at around 10,000 concurrent tcp connections. my game will never get that big imo, but as i said after talking to willie, i'm thinking a dedicated server is still appropriate.
Question to the US providers: why don't you offer something similar to Netcup or Hetzner?
Well noted, this is not lamenting, it's an honest interest in understanding the reasons.
What are the (big?) factors that make creating/running something like Netcup or Hetzner attractive in Europe but not in the USA?
Well, for starters, owning your own datacenter helps.
@JohnMiller92 what makes you think you'd need a dedicated server? or did you just mean dedicated cores... maybe those are not needed either BUT you want to make sure that you don't end up with a provider that has some weird usage restrictions in their ToS. if you get 2 shared cores that you can actually use without watching top the whole time you should be fine.
have a look at the cloud special from @UltraVPS here: https://www.ultravps.eu/order/order.pl?pdid=OB595E46555DO6331C64&cat=cloudserver_special&lang=en , 2cores (shared but you can actually use them) 4GB ram and 75GB SSD - available in Dallas or LA.
they deduct german VAT from the price for non-european customers but you need to commit to a yearly contract (~$75).
PS: dunno about their DDOS protection though.
Their Dallas location is at Psychz, but UltraVPS does not show DDOS protection as an option on their cloud special. I checked in their panel if DDOS protection was an option for my Dallas VPS and could not find such an option.
EDIT: Other wise I agree with @Falzo you can use the cores without problem and they are good.
Sure but am I wrong assuming that there are plenty mid size and larger DCs in the USA?
Yes, although you don't see many DC facilities that offer their own brand of dedis/vpses with the exception of a few (i.e. JoesDC, wsi, OVH, Amazon, etc.). I'm unsure why most DC owners don't offer cheap VPSes but I can speculate it might be due to ARIN IP shortages and such, but you can certainly find cheap dedis in the States without issue.
Unfortunately there is nothing in the US that compares the offerings of Hetzner and NetCup. I believe that OVH may be the only one to resolve this issue, it is already starting to operate in the North American market. Keep an eye on the progress of OVH in the US.
PS: I saw the recommendations of ultravps.eu, I agree that they provide a stable service. But I must warn that their processors and SSD's do not have the performance of the NetCup and Hetzner. Therefore, I do not consider them an alternative to NetCup in the USA. In addition, ultravps.eu does not have DDOS protection.
Netcup is a Hetzner colo customer afaik, and has some amazing VPS offers but nothing like Hetzner's dedicated server range. I'd say that the US providers big enough to reach anything like Hetzner's scale economies choose to go after a higher priced market (AWS etc.), probably because of differing market conditions here. I've been working at places with five and six figure monthly AWS spend. They are willing to pay it because it's still a fairly small part of their total expenditures, and their own customers expect it of them (you look like a more srs bzns that way).
The LET host that operates closest to the Hetzner model is probably WSI, but they are so much smaller that they don't really compare. They have much less inventory and the interesting stuff in it is out of stock most of the time. But they have a similar style of total integration.
Also I think network connectivity in EU is much cheaper than here.
and also power which determines the cost in most places . Most of the time in any cabinet , I run out of power before anything else .
while I totally agree that power really is a big factor in costs, I doubt you can generalize it to being cheaper in europe. Especially germany is far from being cheap in that regard... still hetzner manages to cope with that - maybe they laid power cables to @cociu :-D :-D :-D
Yes, he stated.
Before making an "offer", read what OP is saying. He asked if there are similar providers in the US offering netcup's specs for same price. He did not asked crappy offers.
How do you compare even your shared cpu plan with the prices of netcup, to "offer" similar product? You offer 4GB Ram, 2 CPU cores (shared), 40GB disk, 100Mbit networking for $24. They offer 4GB Ram, 2 CPU cores shared, 40 GB disk and 1Gbit @ 40TB, for 5.29€ (~$7). How is this even close comparable?
Are you even use Intel Gold 6140 CPU?YOU ARE NOT EVEN USING GOLD 6140. You use Opteron 6380!!! Benchmark on Passmark 23964 vs. 10081!!!!! Most of your comments is jumping on threads to post unrelated offers.
Anyway, potential byuers from Hosteons, before do the move, have a look at this thread:
https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/2618632
EDIT 2: And this
https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/131836/rectified-net-let-the-drama-begin/p1
IIRC, Netcup's root server series speeds for the US are pretty good, having in mind that they are located at Germany. I have not done any tests recently, but if you want, I can do some speedtest.net runs for the locations and providers you maybe want. If you need it, just tell me and I'll do it.
For whom maybe interested, some speed tests from netcup to several us cities:
how about speedtest to Malaysia.
Scaleway is fine for my private porn collections, but need something I can occasionally just streaming through it without hassle since this looks better deals than Scaleway.
cheap network costs and probably cheap loans and govt subsidies ( not a trump supporter but he has a point ) help to buy such shiny toys . It needs multiple millions just to buy such shiny gadgets , forget about power and network .
Amazon in the US gets big govt subsidies of various sorts, at least indirectly. They're still way more expensive than Netcup.
Amazon does not target cheapstakes ? Their target is to get premium markets and earn billions in revenue and keep shareholders happy . Bmw and ferari example ?
You know, Trump here or there, in the EU at least, a government can't simply subsidise a private company, if by "subsidise" you mean give public money to a private company in order to make it or to keep it competitive. It simply doesn't work this way.
For example, a tax break in exchange for the creation of a certain number of jobs is a legal way to "encourage" or to "help" a private company.
(Anyway, this issue has been discussed before on LET.)
subsidy means tax cuts or lower loan rates . unless it is state owned company , govt cannot give money directly to any private party unless they want to loss elections
Then we probably don't disagree, but it's often been insinuated on LET (and still is) that OVH, Hetzner, netcup, etc. are successful because the respective governments "subsidise" them, where the subsidies consist in making/keeping them competitive with public money, which simply isn't the case.
If you go back to 2008/2009 in the US under Obama, you can find nice examples of government subsidies/bailouts of private companies.
USA has other big high tech sectors ( multiple billions $$ ) under concern from China than tiny tiny hosting companies ( a few million $$ )
