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How many backups do you have?

edited June 2018 in General

I hear a saying that is :
if you only have one backup, then you have no backup!

I recently get data lost from the infamous delimiter. When I restore back from backup server, I get data loss. The rsnapshot of daily.0 is incomplete. Which reminds me of if you only have one backup, then you have no backup!

So now I also take a backup to both backup server and home NAS.

How much backups do LET user take? 1, 2 , 3? And how and where?

Backup poll
  1. How much backup do you have?94 votes
    1. 1
      24.47%
    2. 2
      26.60%
    3. 3
      18.09%
    4. more
      30.85%
  2. Where do you backup to?94 votes
    1. Backup server
      50.00%
    2. Cloud
      32.98%
    3. Home/office PC/NAS
      13.83%
    4. other
        3.19%
  3. How do you backup?94 votes
    1. rsync
      36.17%
    2. rsnapshot
        2.13%
    3. tar
      12.77%
    4. other
      48.94%

Comments

  • K4Y5K4Y5 Member
    edited June 2018

    @hostingtalking said:
    I hear a saying that is :
    if you only have one backup, then you have no backup!

    I recently get data lost from the infamous delimiter. When I restore back from backup server, I get data loss. The rsnapshot of daily.0 is incomplete. Which reminds me of if you only have one backup, then you have no backup!

    So now I also take a backup to both backup server and home NAS.

    How much backups do LET user take? 1, 2 , 3? And how and where?

    Depends on the data. If it is extremely critical, I have 1x copy on-site and at-least 2x to 3x copies off-site. Apart from that, I manually verify backed-up files at-least once a week and archive them on 2x separate google drives.

    For less critical data, I usually keep 1x copy on site, 1x copy off site and still manually verify and archive full copies to 2x separate google drives at-least once a month.

    I also keep encrypted copies of extremely important stuff scattered across a few idling low end boxes.

  • dragon2611dragon2611 Member
    edited June 2018

    Depends on the data, where it's hosted and how much I care about it.

    Ranges from 0 backups, to backed up in multiple locations with various versions stored.

  • @huntercop said:

    Or it's just crap that can be re-downloaded, 0 point backing up the KF2 server for instance.

  • ahnlakahnlak Member

    It's a tricky poll to answer, because I have backups going to a backup server, and cloud, and (manually) onto an office PC (which also then gets backed up into Backblaze). So I guess I need to tick them all? :)

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  • @ahnlak said:
    It's a tricky poll to answer, because I have backups going to a backup server, and cloud, and (manually) onto an office PC (which also then gets backed up into Backblaze). So I guess I need to tick them all? :)

    Same here!

  • The unlimited backup of backblaze seems too good to be ture for $5 per month. For laptop it's OK, but PC? 10TBs? I'd rather buy another set of HDDs

    @ahnlak said:
    It's a tricky poll to answer, because I have backups going to a backup server, and cloud, and (manually) onto an office PC (which also then gets backed up into Backblaze). So I guess I need to tick them all? :)

  • We take 2 backups daily of our hosting environment and 1 screenshot of our Virtual servers.

  • @PowerNode said:
    We take 2 backups daily of our hosting environment and 1 screenshot of our Virtual servers.

    Screenshot, best backup method eu west.

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited June 2018

    Personal data: 3 copies. One on a backup HDD on the same rig. Another on external HDD. Final one on Google drive.

    Server data: 1 copy on a backup server.

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  • I have only 1 backup.

    And I only do it occasionally (after I make some important changes).

  • lazytlazyt Member

    Backups on three different servers. Databases corrupt on all three when the Delimiter server crashed.

    Have I mentioned how much I hate auto correct recently?

  • qtwrkqtwrk Member

    @lazyt said:
    Backups on three different servers. Databases corrupt on all three when the Delimiter server crashed.

    How come?

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  • Adam1Adam1 Member

    none, i've been looking at how best (cheaply) I can do it. been lucky so far.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    lazyt said: Backups on three different servers. Databases corrupt on all three when the Delimiter server crashed.

    You had replication, not backups.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    hostingtalking said: The unlimited backup of backblaze seems too good to be ture for $5 per month. For laptop it's OK, but PC? 10TBs? I'd rather buy another set of HDDs

    ...but that is not the same. If your house burns down, you'll get your BackBlaze data back but not your HDDs.

    BackBlaze is genuinely "unlimited" but consider:

    • only backs up PC/Mac and will not backup Linux
    • you can't cheat and mount drives - it won't back them up
    • you're limited by your upstream bandwidth. 10TB is going to take a long time to upload for most residential users.
    • you're limited to one PC (though they have family plans but of course they cost more)

    It's sort of like CrashPlan's unlimited but with strictures that are more business-friendly for them.

    Not supporting Linux really sucks.

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  • Backups? Whats that?

  • JorgeJorge Member

    7 daily backups, 4 weekly backups, 3 monthly backups, and 7 yearly backups.
    of everything

  • khazaakhazaa Member

    Of customer data i keep backups on 2 different servers with 2 different providers + in the cloud. All my personal data is backed up to one server.

  • lazytlazyt Member

    The cpanel full sites are bad as well. Those are from three days before the crash.

    Have I mentioned how much I hate auto correct recently?

  • There should be a poll option - "zero".

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  • AlexanderMAlexanderM Top Provider

    It’s all fine and well having your backup on 2-3 locations... but if you are not verifying the integrity and doing disaster restore tests then you may as well have 0 backups ...

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  • lazytlazyt Member

    Yep I got lazy this past year and it bit me.

    Have I mentioned how much I hate auto correct recently?

  • When it comes to backup, we usually subscribe to a backup service and leave things unattended. It's not an efficient way to handle backups. I do appreciate all backup service providers, but for a trouble-free life, we should save some backups ourselves on a local hard drive or a cloud service. Also, it's better to take backups or at least save important files before a major update to get things under control. If your data is large, it's not practical to save them to a local drive or cloud as it is a time-consuming process. So it's better to save very important files periodically and take whole backups depending on your time and the size of your data along with a backup service plan.

  • More back ups then servers and I have 666 of those.

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  • @WooServersHosting said:
    When it comes to backup, we usually subscribe to a backup service and leave things unattended. It's not an efficient way to handle backups. I do appreciate all backup service providers, but for a trouble-free life, we should save some backups ourselves on a local hard drive or a cloud service. Also, it's better to take backups or at least save important files before a major update to get things under control. If your data is large, it's not practical to save them to a local drive or cloud as it is a time-consuming process. So it's better to save very important files periodically and take whole backups depending on your time and the size of your data along with a backup service plan.

    I totally agree. Even with backup providers, it's still a good security measure to make sure you have your own backup somewhere! That's a good point also about doing it before major updates. I made this mistake once years ago with my personal computers at home... Kept putting off backing up important data... data got too large, large update broke everything... hard drives almost simultaneously blew up. Bye bye data... Having a specific backup plan (specific days of the week/month) in conjunction with a backup provider, is the best way to be sure it doesn't get out of hand and result in data loss.

  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider
    edited June 2018

    Personal - Backblaze

    Websites DB & Files - Hetzner Storage Boxes & Hetzner server (will be discontinuing Hetzner server not the storage box, and will use Backblaze B2 cloud storage)

    Storing backups on budget servers is not reliable (learned it the hard way)

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  • riotriot Member

    Nightly full backups to two geographically separate storage VPS. Monthly archive copy to large shared account.

    I'll echo the need to test your restores at least occasionally. I just did some and discovered I had missed a couple of things I wanted but thought I had.

  • Daily of conf files, databases and web data, weekly vm level backups (on VPS and Dedis).

    At home all my files are replicated to my nextcloud server which is cached on a couple of workstations, and a daily backup of that back to a ESX server at home. The couple of servers at home are throw away so only config backups for them.

  • sdglhmsdglhm Member
    edited June 2018

    None. We loose our data like men ~some guy on the internet.

    Jokes aside, google drive and backblaze for personal/work backup.

    Aws and another remote ftp backup for cPanel servers. (aws with one month backups on cold - backing up daily)

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  • 7 backup is good

  • I Use R1 Soft for my Server backup full data

  • imokimok Member

    It looks like I need to start using my other backup servers. Just one backup location currently.

  • There's a tool called rsync born to handle large intense change data

    @WooServersHosting said:
    When it comes to backup, we usually subscribe to a backup service and leave things unattended. It's not an efficient way to handle backups. I do appreciate all backup service providers, but for a trouble-free life, we should save some backups ourselves on a local hard drive or a cloud service. Also, it's better to take backups or at least save important files before a major update to get things under control. If your data is large, it's not practical to save them to a local drive or cloud as it is a time-consuming process. So it's better to save very important files periodically and take whole backups depending on your time and the size of your data along with a backup service plan.

  • Raid can not replace backup. If the server goes down? Or network problem? Or provider run away? then all your data is lost.

    @vonlz888 said:
    I Use R1 Soft for my Server backup full data

  • WebProjectWebProject Member, Provider

    @hostingtalking said:
    Raid can not replace backup. If the server goes down? Or network problem? Or provider run away? then all your data is lost.

    @vonlz888 said:
    I Use R1 Soft for my Server backup full data

    R1 soft its not raid it's r1soft.com

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  • HxxxHxxx Member

    booom! headshot. Clean and crisp.

    @raindog308 said:

    lazyt said: Backups on three different servers. Databases corrupt on all three when the Delimiter server crashed.

    You had replication, not backups.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider
    edited June 2018

    I could have sworn I had made one of these for this year, oh well. Here's how my backups have evolved over the years:

    2015:

    2016:

    2017:

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  • KuJoe said: Here's how my backups have evolved over the years:

    damn bro.... nice..

    i still burning backups on cds... naa.

    Nothing for the moment

  • WebProjectWebProject Member, Provider

    personally I don't think the hubiC can be counted as backup - impossible to deal with big data backups due to speed restriction.

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

    @Ympker said:
    @KuJoe what made you mve from CrashPlan+ to Backblaze?

    I don't use either now, but I switched because of performance.

    @WebProject said:
    personally I don't think the hubiC can be counted as backup - impossible to deal with big data backups due to speed restriction.

    I don't use it any more luckily.

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  • The end is nigh!

  • HugotonHostingHugotonHosting Member, Provider
    edited July 2018

    Amazon S3 is great for secure backup storage, or Amazon Glacier if you're not likely to need to restore all too often.

  • flipperhostflipperhost Member, Provider

    1 backup at the remote backup server should be good enough.

  • There is the 3-2-1 backup rule is an easy-to-remember acronym for a common approach to keeping your data safe in almost any failure scenario. The rule is: keep at least three (3) copies of your data, and store two (2) backup copies on different storage media, with one (1) of them located offsite. For a one-computer user, the nakivo vsphere backup strategy can be as simple as copying all important files to another device – or, ideally, several devices – and keeping them in a safe place.

  • @JohnEvans said:
    There is the 3-2-1 backup rule is an easy-to-remember acronym for a common approach to keeping your data safe in almost any failure scenario. The rule is: keep at least three (3) copies of your data, and store two (2) backup copies on different storage media, with one (1) of them located offsite. For a one-computer user, the nakivo vsphere backup strategy can be as simple as copying all important files to another device – or, ideally, several devices – and keeping them in a safe place.

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