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What cold storage/archiving solution do you use?

pullangcubopullangcubo Member
edited June 2018 in General

Just as the title says, what cold storage solution do you use and recommend, both for personal and production? I'm currently looking at OVH's Cloud Archive which, at €0.002/GB/month, seems to be the cheapest around. Also on my radar is Online.net's C14.

Basically I'm looking for an upload-it-and-forget-it storage, the sort-of the final link in the backup chain, which means it won't see much activity except for maybe monthly purging of outdated backups.

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  • both OVH's Cloud Archive and C14 have the same prices and is the cheapest.
    In my opinion Online.net's C14 is more stable.

  • https://mega.nz/pro has 8TB for 29.99 Euro Per Month.

    https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...However they have been around for quite a while now. https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/1fichier.com

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    Make sure you have a clear idea of what kind of integrity guarantees are provided, and that there are facilities for verifying the integrity of your backups yourself.

    Physically speaking, 'cold storage' solutions typically suffer from the inability to do continuous integrity checks, meaning you have basically no idea whether at any given point in time your backup is recoverable or not.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited June 2018

    @theblackesthat said:
    https://mega.nz/pro has 8TB for 29.99 Euro Per Month.

    https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...However they have been around for quite a while now. https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/1fichier.com

    1Fichier all the way :-)

    @joepie91 said:
    Make sure you have a clear idea of what kind of integrity guarantees are provided, and that there are facilities for verifying the integrity of your backups yourself.

    Physically speaking, 'cold storage' solutions typically suffer from the inability to do continuous integrity checks, meaning you have basically no idea whether at any given point in time your backup is recoverable or not.

    If you do them frequently and at different times though there should always be some usable ones among them :P

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @theblackesthat said: https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...

    They've update their website. Previously, they didn't explicitly indicate 100TB, and the alleged maximum limited was much lower before, so this is good news (calling @Ympker).

    Yes, it's cheap, but there are some inconveniences (e.g., ftp is upload only), not to mention that the Americans may fly in at any moment to take the servers hostage. ;-) Nevertheless, on the whole, it's a great deal.

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  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @angstrom said:

    @theblackesthat said: https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...

    They've update their website. Previously, they didn't explicitly indicate 100TB, and the alleged maximum limited was much lower before, so this is good news (calling @Ympker).

    Yes, it's cheap, but there are some inconveniences (e.g., ftp is upload only), not to mention that the Americans may fly in at any moment to take the servers hostage. ;-) Nevertheless, on the whole, it's a great deal.

    Totally gonna second this :) I'm acctually glad seeing that 100TB limit now hehe^^

  • @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    @theblackesthat said: https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...

    They've update their website. Previously, they didn't explicitly indicate 100TB, and the alleged maximum limited was much lower before, so this is good news (calling @Ympker).

    Yes, it's cheap, but there are some inconveniences (e.g., ftp is upload only), not to mention that the Americans may fly in at any moment to take the servers hostage. ;-) Nevertheless, on the whole, it's a great deal.

    Totally gonna second this :) I'm acctually glad seeing that 100TB limit now hehe^^

    I have 20TB under my account and they're trying to limit me.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @mtsbatalha said:

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    @theblackesthat said: https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...

    They've update their website. Previously, they didn't explicitly indicate 100TB, and the alleged maximum limited was much lower before, so this is good news (calling @Ympker).

    Yes, it's cheap, but there are some inconveniences (e.g., ftp is upload only), not to mention that the Americans may fly in at any moment to take the servers hostage. ;-) Nevertheless, on the whole, it's a great deal.

    Totally gonna second this :) I'm acctually glad seeing that 100TB limit now hehe^^

    I have 20TB under my account and they're trying to limit me.

    Is that hot or cold storage though? Does the "new" limit apply to old and new users alike?

  • angstromangstrom Moderator
    edited June 2018

    @mtsbatalha said:

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    @theblackesthat said: https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html has "Cold storage up to 100TB" for 30 Euro Per Year. This seems way too good to be true I know...

    They've update their website. Previously, they didn't explicitly indicate 100TB, and the alleged maximum limited was much lower before, so this is good news (calling @Ympker).

    Yes, it's cheap, but there are some inconveniences (e.g., ftp is upload only), not to mention that the Americans may fly in at any moment to take the servers hostage. ;-) Nevertheless, on the whole, it's a great deal.

    Totally gonna second this :) I'm acctually glad seeing that 100TB limit now hehe^^

    I have 20TB under my account and they're trying to limit me.

    If it's an issue for you, I would ask them how the new guidelines are interpreted in practice. According to https://1fichier.com/tarifs.html?lg=en , the Premium plan has "Unlimited hot storage" and "Cold storage up to 100TB", but it's not clear how this distinction is made in practice.

    Edit: Which is another inconvenience: the rules aren't always so explicit.

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  • SlushySlushy Member
    edited June 2018

    You can't go wrong with Google Drive.

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  • FHRFHR Member, Host Rep

    OVH Object Storage. Automatic backup from my Synology.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    FHR said: OVH Object Storage. Automatic backup from my Synology.

    Seems pretty overpriced to me.

    • OVH: $0.0112/mo/GB storage, inbound free, $0.011/GB out
    • Backblaze B2: $0.005/mo/GB, inbound free, $0.01/GB out

    Slushy said: I have very important personal archives

    I know what you mean - once you find the right combination of octopus and Japanese porn star, you never want to lose the video.

  • SlushySlushy Member

    @raindog308 said:

    Slushy said: I have very important personal archives

    I know what you mean - once you find the right combination of octopus and Japanese porn star, you never want to lose the video.

    I had to edit my post because you caught me red-handed.

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  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @Slushy said:
    You can't go wrong with Google Drive.

    I don't doubt that Google Drive is a safe place for personal files, but there's no Linux (or *BSD) client available, and as a backup solution for a Linux (or *BSD) VPS, it doesn't make sense.

  • NomadNomad Member

    @raindog308 said:

    FHR said: OVH Object Storage. Automatic backup from my Synology.

    Seems pretty overpriced to me.

    • OVH: $0.0112/mo/GB storage, inbound free, $0.011/GB out
    • Backblaze B2: $0.005/mo/GB, inbound free, $0.01/GB out

    Slushy said: I have very important personal archives

    I know what you mean - once you find the right combination of octopus and Japanese porn star, you never want to lose the video.

    Give an Example Rain

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    Nomad said: Give an Example Rain

    LET is R-Rated
    we're not X-rated so please no full frontal tentacle hentai animated gifs, etc.

    However, it doesn't prohibit linking to Wikipedia articles. Would you believe that tentacle hentai began in 1814?!? I mean, there's a woodblock carving of a frisky octopus pleasuring a woman...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife

  • Adam1Adam1 Member

    raindog308 said: However, it doesn't prohibit linking to Wikipedia articles.

    There's some pretty grim x-rated shit on wikipedia

  • @angstrom said:

    I don't doubt that Google Drive is a safe place for personal files, but there's no Linux (or *BSD) client available, and as a backup solution for a Linux (or *BSD) VPS, it doesn't make sense.

    Google doesn't have their own client, no. But there are solutions. The best is probably rclone, which is ideal for this and extremely popular.

  • aj_potc said: Google doesn't have their own client, no. But there are solutions. The best is probably rclone, which is ideal for this and extremely popular.

    Thanks for the info. Didn't even consider GDrive as VPS backup until read your comment.

  • Gdrive would be fine as secondary or (even better tertiary) bulk backup with rclone.

    You need to be able to 'verify' your primary backup with OS standard tools+scripting. (not counting experimental fuse adaptors)

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  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @aj_potc said:

    @angstrom said:

    I don't doubt that Google Drive is a safe place for personal files, but there's no Linux (or *BSD) client available, and as a backup solution for a Linux (or *BSD) VPS, it doesn't make sense.

    Google doesn't have their own client, no. But there are solutions. The best is probably rclone, which is ideal for this and extremely popular.

    Thanks for the tip about rclone, which wasn't on my radar. Glancing at rclone's web page for Google Drive ( https://rclone.org/drive/ ), the procedure looks involved, but I guess still better than no procedure at all. Personally, though, it wouldn't be my first choice. (I'm not a big fan of cloud storage with proprietary protocols.)

  • @joepie91 said:
    Make sure you have a clear idea of what kind of integrity guarantees are provided, and that there are facilities for verifying the integrity of your backups yourself.

    Physically speaking, 'cold storage' solutions typically suffer from the inability to do continuous integrity checks, meaning you have basically no idea whether at any given point in time your backup is recoverable or not.

    This is one of the reasons why I am having cold feet with completely outsourcing cold storage—you just couldn't know! Does that mean that it'll all come down with trust and faith with the chosen storage provider?! :-)

    I just found a year-old thread that's related to this topic (I'm not sure why it didn't turn up during my initial search): https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/107439/online-net-c14-intensive-5-eur-per-tb

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    pullangcubo said: This is one of the reasons why I am having cold feet with completely outsourcing cold storage—you just couldn't know! Does that mean that it'll all come down with trust and faith with the chosen storage provider?! :-)

    Well... it depends. "Cold storage" can mean a few things; in a literal sense, it comes down to trusting the storage media more than trusting the provider. However, if the storage is technically hot (eg. on actively spinning rust, flash storage, whatever) and you just rarely access it, making it 'cold storage' in a figurative sense, you should be able to do continuous integrity checks.

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  • @angstrom said:

    Thanks for the tip about rclone, which wasn't on my radar. Glancing at rclone's web page for Google Drive ( https://rclone.org/drive/ ), the procedure looks involved, but I guess still better than no procedure at all. Personally, though, it wouldn't be my first choice. (I'm not a big fan of cloud storage with proprietary protocols.)

    Happy to help!

    Yes, rclone does take a little more effort to get running than, say, rsync. But it's easily scriptable, and the active development means that it plays very nice with various cloud providers. rclone also has built-in encryption capabilities, so it can take care of encrypting your files on the way to Google Drive.

    As others have mentioned, I wouldn't use rclone+Google Drive as my primary backup. But I like having a second or third backup method that uses totally independent software and storage from my main backups. Just gives a little extra peace of mind.

    I find cloud storage is great as an archive/cold storage location, which the original poster asked about. It's storage that you don't have to closely monitor, and there's not a risk of filling it up and running out of space, which can be a concern for your primary backup location.

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  • @raindog308 said:

    >

    However, it doesn't prohibit linking to Wikipedia articles. Would you believe that tentacle hentai began in 1814?!? I mean, there's a woodblock carving of a frisky octopus pleasuring a woman...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife

    Ok, so that wiki article linked to an article, and I just had to ask: who the fuck is Jacob Ertel?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tentacle_erotica

  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Host Rep

    Personal -> Backblaze.

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  • szarkaszarka Member

    @raindog308 said:

    Slushy said: I have very important personal archives

    I know what you mean - once you find the right combination of octopus and Japanese porn star, you never want to lose the video.

    See, this right here is why I've missed you guys while I've been too busy to read LET the past few months…

  • BlaZe said: Personal -> Backblaze.

    does backblaze care about what you put in your storage? can I also store my DMCA-triggering files there for personal use?

  • @ZiriusPH said:

    does backblaze care about what you put in your storage? can I also store my DMCA-triggering files there for personal use?

    I don't think anyone can answer that question except for Backblaze.

    But no matter what you store there, you should encrypt it.

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  • thagoatthagoat Member
    edited June 2018

    @raindog308 said:
    LET is R-Rated
    we're not X-rated so please no full frontal tentacle hentai animated gifs, etc.

    However, it doesn't prohibit linking to Wikipedia articles. Would you believe that tentacle hentai began in 1814?!? I mean, there's a woodblock carving of a frisky octopus pleasuring a woman...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I log in everyday.

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