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Yearly VPS in region well-connected to Middle East

Yearly VPS in region well-connected to Middle East

kh81kh81 Member
edited June 13 in Requests

I'm looking for a cheap yearly VPS for a client.

It should be located anywhere that is well connected to the Middle East (e.g. Bulgaria, Romania, etc). The VPS is going to be used as a VPN in combination with Outline to circumvent middle eastern website blockage.

Specs (If not stated, it doesn't matter):

RAM: 128MB+

Dedicated IPv4 (No NAT offers)

150 GB+ monthly bandwidth

Docker Support (Due to Outline)

Thank you.

Comments

  • You may check hostens today,also they are running 50% off promo offer,please your specs before buying it.I am not sure what docker?

  • salakissalakis Member

    Is RO/BG really such a good idea? Doesn't the traffic usually go through Frankfurt, London or Marseille?

    No clue about other countries in the region, but major Israeli ISPs are usually well served by servers in Germany.

    Just pull the server list file from speedtest.net and try to check the latency to your targeted countries, but I'm still sure that you're probably better off with something in Western Europe instead.

  • zkyezzkyez Member

    @salakis said: Is RO/BG really such a good idea? Doesn't the traffic usually go through Frankfurt, London or Marseille?

    No clue about other countries in the region, but major Israeli ISPs are usually well served by servers in Germany.

    Just pull the server list file from speedtest.net and try to check the latency to your targeted countries, but I'm still sure that you're probably better off with something in Western Europe instead.

    Hosting in BG/RO isn't the best idea if latency's an issue. Lowest latency from my home router (Abu Dhabi/UAE) is towards any L3 connected host through Marseilles (for example Oneprovider/Online.net but be careful with the weird routing that sometimes happens and traffic gets routed through SG), with a close second being Vultr (UAE->Vultr through Marseilles, return through Frankfurt) and a third being OVH.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider
    edited June 14

    salakis said: Is RO/BG really such a good idea? Doesn't the traffic usually go through Frankfurt, London or Marseille?

    Correct. The sea cables go to Italy and France, nearest useful hosting is OVH (if you speak French) or Germany (if not).

    The myth that RO/BG are good for this is bonkers, sure there are cables to Istanbul and Syria (lol) but not much further, and they are old.

  • hostenshostens Member, Provider

    @Rockfiles said: You may check hostens today,also they are running 50% off promo offer,please your specs before buying it.I am not sure what docker?

    Hey there,

    I would like to just clarify that we offer 50 % off VPN currently (not VPS).

    Hostens - a home for your website.

  • @hostens said:

    @Rockfiles said: You may check hostens today,also they are running 50% off promo offer,please your specs before buying it.I am not sure what docker?

    Hey there,

    I would like to just clarify that we offer 50 % off VPN currently (not VPS).

    Yes thank you,I thought he needs vpn to build up on vps so I pointed him that hostens have vpn ongoing offers,btw the storage plans have been changed,previously it use to be 2TB and 4 TB plans but I couldn't find them these days,I hope they come back again.

  • kh81kh81 Member
    edited June 15

    @Rockfiles said: You may check hostens today,also they are running 50% off promo offer,please your specs before buying it.I am not sure what docker?

    They are located in Lithuania.

    @William said:

    salakis said: Is RO/BG really such a good idea? Doesn't the traffic usually go through Frankfurt, London or Marseille?

    Correct. The sea cables go to Italy and France, nearest useful hosting is OVH (if you speak French) or Germany (if not).

    The myth that RO/BG are good for this is bonkers, sure there are cables to Istanbul and Syria (lol) but not much further, and they are old.

    I'm not sure if common providers are blocked or not, and there's no way to find out. I also cannot test VPN technologies either. But if all of that works I'd happily use a location like Frankfurt.

  • florianbflorianb Member

    It's high unlikely that traffic to Iran or similar will actually pass out directly from RO/BG. Mostly traffic will run over EUW, a bit off, but that'd be FRA, AMS or LON. For example to Israel (013 NetVision) from Bucharest:

    2.|-- te0-1-0-16.rcr21.b054210- 0.0% 1 19.1 19.1 19.1 19.1 0.0 3.|-- be3274.ccr31.buh01.atlas. 0.0% 1 17.9 17.9 17.9 17.9 0.0 4.|-- be3262.ccr31.bud01.atlas. 0.0% 1 17.6 17.6 17.6 17.6 0.0 5.|-- be3263.ccr22.bts01.atlas. 0.0% 1 17.7 17.7 17.7 17.7 0.0 6.|-- be3463.ccr52.vie01.atlas. 0.0% 1 17.5 17.5 17.5 17.5 0.0 7.|-- be3462.ccr22.muc03.atlas. 0.0% 1 33.1 33.1 33.1 33.1 0.0 8.|-- be2960.ccr42.fra03.atlas. 0.0% 1 33.3 33.3 33.3 33.3 0.0 9.|-- be3187.agr41.fra03.atlas. 0.0% 1 33.3 33.3 33.3 33.3 0.0 10.|-- be3394.nr21.b019066-1.fra 0.0% 1 33.9 33.9 33.9 33.9 0.0 11.|-- 149.6.43.206 0.0% 1 28.3 28.3 28.3 28.3 0.0 12.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 13.|-- gw2-fra-be-1-100-gw1-fra- 0.0% 1 28.2 28.2 28.2 28.2 0.0 14.|-- gw2-hfa-0-2-0-2-200-gw2.f 0.0% 1 84.6 84.6 84.6 84.6 0.0 15.|-- core2-0-1-0-1-gw2.hfa.nv. 0.0% 1 86.4 86.4 86.4 86.4 0.0 16.|-- srvc1-core2-0-0-2.hfa.nv. 0.0% 1 86.8 86.8 86.8 86.8 0.0 17.|-- 194.90.218.116 0.0% 1 84.9 84.9 84.9 84.9 0.0 18.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

    I picked a random ASN in Iran, AS48159 and found a prefix tagged with ADSL, so tested to that:

    2.|-- ae6.cr2-buc1.ip4.gtt.net 0.0% 1 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.0 3.|-- xe-0-0-0.ar2-fra6.ip4.gtt 0.0% 1 34.8 34.8 34.8 34.8 0.0 4.|-- stowarzyszenia-gw.ip4.gtt 0.0% 1 136.8 136.8 136.8 136.8 0.0 5.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 6.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 7.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 8.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 9.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 10.|-- 2.185.160.0 0.0% 1 208.4 208.4 208.4 208.4 0.0

    Goes over FRA too.

    My suggestion: go with a provider that has strong and heavy peering on DE-CIX or AMS-IX when you want to serve the middle east.

  • kh81kh81 Member

    @florianb said: My suggestion: go with a provider that has strong and heavy peering on DE-CIX or AMS-IX when you want to serve the middle east.

    Any recommendations?

  • florianbflorianb Member

    @kh81 said:

    @florianb said: My suggestion: go with a provider that has strong and heavy peering on DE-CIX or AMS-IX when you want to serve the middle east.

    Any recommendations?

    Yearly billing unfortunately not. For heavy DE-CIX peering, you could look at DigitalOcean. I'm not entirely sure though if they're still openly peering and on RS there, has been a while already since I used them.

  • florianbflorianb Member

    @Janevski said: @kh81 https://www.submarinecablemap.com

    As I already tried to elaborate in other threads, this is entirely pointless. Existence of cable does not imply that your ISP, nor their upstreams do lease capacity on those you suspect.

    Generally, the availability of short paths does not matter in the slightest. Sure, you can tell if there's only one fibre coming from let's say South Italy to Malta that it won't have a straight path to Africa or anything near. Yet, if Malta had submarines to all neighbor countries, that does not mean at all those are accessible for you.

    In addition, what exactly would knowing the submarine cables to for example Israel help? Next to nothing, he's not trying to rent Layer 2 transport, he seeks a good location for serving the middle east.

    Furthermore, most middle east countries do not trust each other in the slightest, so those submarines are primarily for uplinking whole countries to EU for connectivity.

    My suggestion: stick with conventional providers and pick those with the best hando-ff to your target ISPs.

    Sorry to sound harsh, no bashing intended. Just trying to help.

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  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited June 14

    @florianb said:

    @Janevski said: @kh81 https://www.submarinecablemap.com

    As I already tried to elaborate in other threads, this is entirely pointless. Existence of cable does not imply that your ISP, nor their upstreams do lease capacity on those you suspect.

    Generally, the availability of short paths does not matter in the slightest. Sure, you can tell if there's only one fibre coming from let's say South Italy to Malta that it won't have a straight path to Africa or anything near. Yet, if Malta had submarines to all neighbor countries, that does not mean at all those are accessible for you.

    In addition, what exactly would knowing the submarine cables to for example Israel help? Next to nothing, he's not trying to rent Layer 2 transport, he seeks a good location for serving the middle east.

    Furthermore, most middle east countries do not trust each other in the slightest, so those submarines are primarily for uplinking whole countries to EU for connectivity.

    My suggestion: stick with conventional providers and pick those with the best hando-ff to your target ISPs.

    Sorry to sound harsh, no bashing intended. Just trying to help.

    It's a starting point, considering OP is not omnipresent.

    If a cable exists then maybe it's useful.

    I think the eastern ground infrastructure is next to potato, that's why i consider underwater cables relevant.

    Furthermore, if a connectivity exists, then he could check traceroutes and bgp tables with the above mentioned providers.

    Then, he'll see which one of the above mentioned providers is connected to his client locally.

  • pikepike Member
    edited June 15

    @kh81 said: Any recommendations?

    Some providers that have more than two upstreams:

    amsterdam

    i3d bare metal https://bgp.he.net/AS49544

    leaseweb bare metal or cloud https://bgp.he.net/AS16265

    serverius https://bgp.he.net/AS50673

    london

    clouvider https://bgp.he.net/AS62240

    frankfurt

    accelerated https://bgp.he.net/AS31400

  • kh81kh81 Member
    edited June 15

    @pike said:

    @kh81 said: Any recommendations?

    Some providers that have more than two upstreams:

    amsterdam

    i3d bare metal https://bgp.he.net/AS49544

    leaseweb bare metal or cloud https://bgp.he.net/AS16265

    serverius https://bgp.he.net/AS50673

    london

    clouvider https://bgp.he.net/AS62240

    frankfurt

    accelerated https://bgp.he.net/AS31400

    Thank you. I'm currently trying to find out the ISP of my client, they haven't replied yet. Luckily there aren't many big ones, and I found an IP to test with.

    I informed myself about Docker support and seemingly all I need is a KVM VPS. It would be possible with OpenVZ and the latest kernel, however I can't find a provider that has any public information on their kernel and networking configuration, which makes sense.

  • teamaccteamacc Moderator

    I've seen good results from either OVH france or scaleway (online.net) france, but it depends on what upstreams your ISP uses.

    Yo mama so fat each of her butt-cheeks has its own /8.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    florianb said: For example to Israel (013 NetVision) from Bucharest:

    Israel IS NOT A VALID EXAMPLE.

    We invested a LOT in brand new submarine cables to France/Italy and out relations with JO/etc are bad; ALL traffic will use Europe.

  • florianbflorianb Member
    edited June 15

    @William said:

    florianb said: For example to Israel (013 NetVision) from Bucharest:

    ALL traffic will use Europe.

    That's what I was arguing for.

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