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Russia bans Google Cloud, Amazon, Azure, Digital Ocean, Online.net, Hetzner, OVH, others

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  • lazytlazyt Member

    I got my first shotgun 52 years ago at age 8.

  • @lazyt said:
    I got my first shotgun 52 years ago at age 8.

    dead meme

  • @Gulf said:
    The same in Kazakhstan.
    SendGrid has been blocked in Kazakhstan. Users are unable even to unsubscribe. Probably, opposition used this service to send something about the President.
    Also they banned a lot of subnets in LA, SFO.

    How is Borat going to do his email marketing then?!?!?!

  • GulfGulf Member

    @YokedEgg said:
    How is Borat going to do his email marketing then?!?!?!

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    Two can play at this game.

    CC_DENY="ru"
    

    Ball's back in your court, Putin.

    Thanked by 1sureiam
  • @raindog308 said:
    Two can play at this game.

    > CC_DENY="ru"
    > 

    "I'll eat the garbage, to spite my mom"?

    Nice work to help some short-sighted people to break Internet into isolated fragments...

  • @Janevski said:

    @Aidan said:

    Wait... you can legally own a tank in the US? wtf that can’t be safe...

    You can legally own a tank in most countries without too much of a hassle if the main gun has been deactivated/demilitarized.

    A tank is just an unfriendly bulldozer.

    which also weighs a few hundred cough I mean thousand KG more ;)

    Thanked by 1Aidan
  • bapbap Member

    @mikec said:
    How Russia government decides which data center ranges to ban?

    this...

  • @bap said:

    @mikec said:
    How Russia government decides which data center ranges to ban?

    this...

    You don't have to decide when you say fuck it, it's all getting banned.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @Master_Bo said:

    @raindog308 said:
    Two can play at this game.

    > > CC_DENY="ru"
    > > 

    "I'll eat the garbage, to spite my mom"?

    Nice work to help some short-sighted people to break Internet into isolated fragments...

    Oh for Christ's sake...

    First, it's obviously a joke.

    Second, I think it's unlikely that my few modest sites are going to break the Internet. Despite my earnest wishes, I suspect most people wouldn't even know if they went away altogether!

    And finally...yeah, at times when I admin'd web hosting, I did block some countries because I knew that (a) no one from China, Russia, etc. had any legitimate interest, and (b) I'd get 50+ hack attempts a day from those countries, versus maybe 1 in a year from everywhere else.

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Patron Provider
    edited April 2018

    YokedEgg said: Average wage in the United States = ~$37,000

    Average wage in China = ~$11,000

    You need to factor purchasing power wise too , not just in salary terms as salary means nothing without comparing ppp

  • Guns

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    peace and love

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  • @raindog308 said:
    Oh for Christ's sake...

    First, it's obviously a joke.

    There's a good anecdote about a bad joke, but it's kind of obscene... no, I won't tell it.

    Second, I think it's unlikely that my few modest sites are going to break the Internet. Despite my earnest wishes, I suspect most people wouldn't even know if they went away altogether!

    Now who doesn't understand a joke this time?

    And finally...yeah, at times when I admin'd web hosting, I did block some countries because I knew that (a) no one from China, Russia, etc. had any legitimate interest, and (b) I'd get 50+ hack attempts a day from those countries, versus maybe 1 in a year from everywhere else.

    I use ipset in such cases - a rogue scans/unexpected HTTP requests will put their issuers to ban in a fraction of second, without compromising site's efficiency.

    (we don't have a luxury of banning entire countries, yet the would-be hacking attempts shouldn't be tolerated, either)

  • YokedEggYokedEgg Member
    edited April 2018

    @hostdare said:

    YokedEgg said: Average wage in the United States = ~$37,000

    Average wage in China = ~$11,000

    You need to factor purchasing power wise too , not just in salary terms as salary means nothing without comparing ppp

    Sure, that's a factor, but it's not like that entirely changes the differences in per capita terms.

    There's plenty of factors in economics that weren't included in my post, lol.

  • hostdarehostdare Member, Patron Provider

    YokedEgg said: There's plenty of factors in economics that weren't included in my post, lol.

    The value for PPP conversion factor, GDP (LCU per international $) in China was 3.47 as of 2016

    so if you factor that

    Average wage in the United States = ~$37,000
    Average wage in China compared to usa = ~$11,000 x 3.47 about the same as usa

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  • GulfGulf Member

    @YokedEgg said:

    Average wage in the United States = ~$37,000

    Average wage in China = ~$11,000

    My wages are ~100 000$. My country friend Chinas and USas.

    Thanked by 1YokedEgg
  • @hostdare said:

    YokedEgg said: There's plenty of factors in economics that weren't included in my post, lol.

    The value for PPP conversion factor, GDP (LCU per international $) in China was 3.47 as of 2016

    so if you factor that

    Average wage in the United States = ~$37,000
    Average wage in China compared to usa = ~$11,000 x 3.47 about the same as usa

    At the same time, an American could visit China and buy significantly more than a Chinese person could in the United States if they were to spend an entire years earnings.

    PPP is very much theory based and while totally valid in theory, it's not quite perfect.

    Over all the United States and China are both relient on each other, but in the case China could no longer provide cheap labor that would change quickly.

  • TionTion Member

    I have a small VPS with a russian company which propably cant access their own servers right now. Feels good knowing Jesus is currently the only guy watching those monitoring services.

    Thanked by 1YokedEgg
  • Hello everyone. As a Head of Support Dept in ISP i can say some words.
    There are no good specialists in government sector of IT regularity. Why? Because:

    1. they have no salaries because in state segment of labor market (in ANY directions — teachers, doctors, science and so on). for example person with high education (4-6 years for civil specialty, 6-8 years in medicine) can expect for $150-200 in regions and $200-300 in capital. and work there is for fanatics or for loosers. or for somebody who has "uncle in ministry" and knows that 4-5 years later he would be on good postiion.

    2. authority pressing. for now most of structures are leaded by seniors (look for paragraph one to know why). they WERE great specialists in semiconductors but "what the hell is DNS" they ask. so voices of guys saying "what are you the fucking doing?" drown in this lake of solidity and tyranny. sooner or later young talent sends everything to the butt and starts work as the fathers bequeathed.

    Our parliament is settled most by seniors also. They are making laws based on their beatiful dreams. Maybe you know, maybe not, but very soon all ISPs should keep ALL the fucking traffic and provide ALL encryption keys to law authorities. Sounds shitty, yup? Seniors making crazy laws and other seniors say "SIR, YES, SIR" and do cunty things as large subnets blocking.

    That's how we live and this is what we have in IT. But no worries. In other ways of life we have same kind of fun.

    Dixi.

  • @rm_ said:
    which has refused to cooperate with the country's FSB (ex. KGB) security agency to provide secret keys to user's encrypted messages.

    Does that mean other services/messengers just share the secret keys?

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    Hybrid said: Does that mean other services/messengers just share the secret keys?

    Very likely yes.

  • VPNVPN Member

    @jiggawattz said:

    YokedEgg said: Straight stupidity going on here from both China and Russia.

    That type of governing is not sustainable forever.

    Why do you say this? I definitely don't support what Russia and China do, but I think there is a naive (mis)understanding in the West about the social contract that binds Russians and Chinese to their governments.

    People in Russia and China generally don't care specifically about some abstract notion of freedom, and they aren't "yearning" as "huddled masses" as that traditional American imagery depicts those in non-democracies.

    They don't care because they haven't tasted what true freedom is.

    China has experienced massive economic growth under the heavy hand of the State, and hundreds of millions have been lifted out of poverty. You could argue that they could do even better under democracy. But Russians' standard of living has dramatically improved under authoritarianism v. the chaos and poverty caused by its fledgling democracy in the 90s. (Rising price of oil helped too.)

    Again, you can't miss something you've never had. Yes people have been pulled out pf poverty but at the cost of a lower quality of life. The worst part about it is that they don't even realise there is a better life to be had.

  • @Hybrid said:
    Does that mean other services/messengers just share the secret keys?

    Conspiracy theory says that all this noise is a Telegram's big advertisement. At least there were no any official news about other services encryption.

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  • IMO the reason itself is quite logical. Governmental agencies need a way to read logs of people-s communications when legal need arises. It was all possible way before internet too, with letters, phone calls and such. There has to be strict (and in current situation preferably open) control over such agencies to make sure this things do not get misused, like it happened in US, but other than that there is nothing wrong with this requirement.

    The way they do it though... someone with enough power is being stupid. It will get stopped, most likely, he will probably get fired, and and things will get done in more logical/controllable way. At least it usually happens this way, when stupidity of such magnitude happens.

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  • VeespVeesp Member, Host Rep

    @default said:
    Tested: my VPS from Veesp.com in Russia can still connect to Online successfully. Maybe @veesp could provide some special offer on this great marketing opportunity.

    This is because only ISPs providing internet access to end users have to obey this law and restrict access to certain resources, data centers and wholesale providers don't have to block anything.

    Thanked by 1angstrom
  • @Gamma17, right. Good beginnings, bad decisions.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions as we know.

  • sighsigh Member

    So many assumptions here, it's funny!

    @MarshalChe is correct. This country is being ruled by clowns who exploit and steal every good part then flee, along with brainwashed population that doesn't know how good can things be (how can they know when they don't even have human rights at all). Many major problems are STILL present, which results to dumb decisions such as this. It's an unfortunate mess, there is no need to deny.
    Anyway, would like to see some server offers for that personal VPN access, in case it gets completely isolated. (Since that's what they are trying to accomplish from the looks of it)

  • @rm_ said:

    Hybrid said: Does that mean other services/messengers just share the secret keys?

    Very likely yes.

    There's a "Information Distribution Operators" registry. Those who enter there, are either expected to comply when requested encryption keys/whatever, or be fined and/or banned.

    The registry is public. Most of IM services are just not cared about, answering the question. As soon as they have attention of government agencies, they will be requested to be entered into the above registry.

    So this is the fun we live in.

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    Wait, didn't the Russians just recently massively reelect Putin for the nth time? Arguably, he's only doing what the great majority of Russians want him to do. Or do I have this wrong? (Those were free elections, weren't they?)

    As for Telegram, I read somewhere that many in the Kremlin used Telegram themselves, which if true, makes the irony so wonderfully thick here.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited April 2018

    Master_Bo said: As soon as they have attention of government agencies

    The theory is that they do not have public "attention of government agencies" because they were already asked behind the scenes and complied by quietly sharing everything they were asked for.

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