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Looking for a friendly host for Yiff (that ignores invalid takedowns) [NSFW]
Hello,
I'm planning to buy a new server/vps/whatever to host a new project I've been working on: a Telegram/ImageBoard/Booru content crawler and mirror. If you're not familiar, these services allow you to upload and discuss just about anything. People, however, mostly use it for porn - and furry porn (slang: "yiff")makes a great part of it.
I'm already running a crawl node that's currently scraping 4chan/u18chan, 8chan and Telegram channels on my home connection, and the traffic is less than 10gb/day and continuously dropping since most content is reposted and i detect easily if i already have something stored.
Photographs and unrelated images are deleted pretty much instantly, so no illegal child porn or gore or shit like that. It's gonna just be furry stuff: images, short videos and the occasional swf/flv (furries still live in the past!)
This is pretty much what I'll do - and this still complies with the ToS/AUP of most hosts, however what I'm looking for is a host that can discern (and ignore) invalid takedown requests. Yes, I will comply to actual DMCA (even though I'm not in the US so i theoretically could ignore it) if the request is valid.
Why am I saying this? Because furries are special snowflakes that need to whine and drama on just about anything. When they'll discover that somebody posted the drawing they don't have any right on and they're in they will whine and it might (incredibly rare occasion) happen that they'll write to whoever is hosting my server a message like:
"One of your clients is hosting the picture i commissioned of my boyfriend
and we broke up yesterday so i want to take it down NOW and i will sue
you if you don't do!!!!!"
I know that some hosts instantly terminate and flag your account for abuse if anything even barely touches their abuse@ mail. This is what i'm trying to prevent.
Any suggestions? I was gonna go with WisHosting (I already own a server and it's very solid) but I don't know if they'd be comfortable with something like this.
TLDR: Searching for a host that won't listen to furries being dramaqueens and are okay with yiff
Request: server possibly in Europe with a fair quantity (>300gb) of storage, slow I/O is okay, will run postgresql + some python scripts and will have low traffic. KVM pls. Will get lower when i get hold of a cdn. Unmetered traffic would be great, since i'd not have to worry about datacaps.
Thanks!
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#furrydicks
@cociu
online.net
Dunno if that extends to non-conventional porn though.
+1 for Online. #benedick #cummerbatch
Holy shit i totally forgot about cociu. Do you think I can install Debian Buster on his servers? I really don't want to upgrade and have him yell at me.
Are they friendly with abuse requests or are like Hetzner and they go full gestapo on any abuse?
Well you can install whatever you want as long as you dont take OVZ container
https://hostsolutions.ro/vps/servere-virtuale-vps-romania/kvm-vps-hosting
I'm not aware of Online.net going full gestapo and French hosts are generally reasonably friendly to sexual content that is not human beings. (i.e. Art)
That said, you probably want to sit behind Cloudflare no matter how you do this. They tend to be friendly towards ignoring blatant bullshit abuse notices. Valid notices will still get forwarded but as long as you intend to comply with those, it should reduce the "annoyance level" with your actual hosting provider.
The best defense is really providing an imprint for written notification and an online DMCA form that automates the takedowns for the sort of venture you have in mind. If they can just fill out a form and do a captcha to take something down, they probably won't complain to your host much.
You may want to contact people in similar situations (i.e. Actual yiff boards) and see what their collection of hosting providers are. People who already run that kind of thing are likely a better barometer than LET.
I do not want to use Cloudflare. I hate the hassle for setting up SSL and the fact that it processes and modifies all of my requests.
I have an online DCMA takedown form + control panel for automatic takedown of future images uploaded by an artist/publisher. However, this doesn't shield from people
U18Chan ignores every DMCA request (at their faq they have "[email protected]" as the abuse mail), and a lookup of the IPs behind CF shows two servers: one hosted in the US at Linode, another hosted in UK at "SimplyTransit".
Yiffer.xyz hosts on DO (NL), Yiffarchive.com is unknown, furaffinity hosts on their own host
A site I frequently use to download mainstream music hosts their servers at infiumhost for years now. Maybe worth a look too? However they're not on LET.
Another option is @exception0x876's KVM HDD Plus but I'd wait for some feedback from him before placing an order.
It's incredibly expensive given the storage everybody else offers.
You are the one that wants his hoster to deal with raging furries.
Try Maple Hosting
Very nice!
https://www.maple-hosting.com/blog/dmca-ignoring-safe-netherlands-vps-hosting-dedicated-servers-hosting/
Asking for DMCA notices to be sent through postal mail is actually a great idea! Also will consider that host
First we need to see your content.
Here's the thing: all the automated shit that is sent and continuously sent, at some point you're going to be an annoyance to the host's abuse department queue. Look at acquiring your own IP space to handle your own complaints. I've worked at a few places where the unofficial policy was if a customer is "too much work for what they pay, get them out so we can have somebody pay the same with less work"
Perhaps @Francisco would be able to help.
https://furry.cat/Clover/
Do you really want to?
Also DIAF
GRE tunnel and host the data anywhere else?
Rude
I was thinking about a solution like that actually (storage at my home, postgresql on the cloud and a reverse proxy + cache on my home connection) but i don't know how reliable and worth the effort it'd be.
Thanks for considering wishosting. However, I second @cociu for this kind of website. It will save you a lot of time responding to abuse complaints because I forward all complaints to clients.
Thanks.
Given recent drama we made changes to our TOS/AUP which takes a 'law of the land' approach to things.
If it's legal in the country it's hosted in, it's fine.
I've been around the tubes for long enough to know how to spot fake DMCA's and I shit can all of them.
Francisco
This makes your Luxembourg location a good candidate then, I guess?
Just as a clarification for everyone, I'm not looking for a host to deal with hundreds of takedowns. I just want to put hands forward just in case. Occurrences of such reports will probably be very low if not nonexistent.
Sure, but i don't have any storage there.
USA is fine as well. Far as I know there's no laws over the content and if they're fake DMCA's then it's fake and not your fault, nor should I be punishing a customer over it.
We've hosted a good bit of gameservers over the years and fake takedowns are so bloody common it's sad.
Francisco
Aw. Bummer
I have an incredibly high latency and a bad route towards USA sadly. I know it's a shitty reason but having a 200ms lag while working via ssh is incredibly annoying.
I appreciate your words. I will keep an eye on your servers in case there's something interesting.
Source or just pulled out of your ass? I'm leaning towards the 2nd as CloudFlare will drop your IP to a third party if the complaint is serious enough
Security through obscurity much?
Tards keep thinking CloudFlare is this magical do everything tool
Yes. And that's why I do not want to use it. The amount of shit they do compared to the fake benefits is just not worth it
Btw you might just drop Maple Hosting an E-Mail if you are still unsure. Anyway to make it clear I never came around to acctually use them but had a long chat with Support agent for a while and seemed pretty decent (you get assigned a personal support agent, too).
Novogara / Acasia
Pretty much all copyright image claims ignored
Yes I host furry porn off this