Domains for forerver
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Domains for forerver

Hello!

I am new to LET!

Today browse domain news and sites and got that a provider called epik offer a service that make a domain registered forever. For example a .com register for forever is 420 USD one time fee.

https://registrar.epik.com/prices

The last field is "FOREVER".

Any opinions?

What is your opinion domain will expire ever?
  1. What is your opinion domain will expire ever?46 votes
    1. Yes
      65.22%
    2. No
      34.78%

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Comments

  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited December 2017

    No such thing that lasts forever.

    All registries have expiry date for domain leases.

    The domain registrations are actually leases, and renewals are lease renewals.

    You never own a domain.

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  • It'll expire when that business expires. Nothing is forever, especially anything in the hosting industry

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  • deankdeank Member
    edited December 2017

    You can't even own a domain. You are merely leasing it.

    You can pay whatever amount to a register but when they stop paying ICANN, it will be gone.

    The first thing a new host lies about: "We" when it's "Me".

  • I am just curious what will turn out in WHOIS record

  • @FAT32 said:
    I am just curious what will turn out in WHOIS record

    My guess is 10 years, same as the max registration elsewhere.

    I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

  • Yeah, pretty sure they will make a run at 10 years, making a nice sum of money overall. Can't even chargeback or anything at that point.

    A nice scam attempt actually.

    The first thing a new host lies about: "We" when it's "Me".

  • Little point in it. Even with outrageous Network Solution prices one basically prepays for 12 years. Assuming a more standard pricing of about $9 one would actually prepay for about 47 years.

  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited December 2017

    @deank said:
    Yeah, pretty sure they will make a run at 10 years, making a nice sum of money overall. Can't even chargeback or anything at that point.

    A nice scam attempt actually.

    I think they would renew the domains yearly, and disappear (rename company and continue doing the same thing) max 3-5 years after initial bulk of registrations.

    They charge you 420 - yeah, even the price is dope, they spend 30, max 50 the rest is money for keeping.

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  • @Janevski said:

    @deank said:
    Yeah, pretty sure they will make a run at 10 years, making a nice sum of money overall. Can't even chargeback or anything at that point.

    A nice scam attempt actually.

    I think they would renew the domains yearly, and disappear (rename company and continue doing the same thing) max 3-5 years after initial bulk of registrations.

    They charge you 420 - yeah, even the price is dope, they spend 30, max 50 the rest is money for keeping.

    Why would they do that? If they paid for the ICANN fees for 10 years, they're long, long, LONG gone by the time you get pissed about their scam. We're talking the difference of dollars.

    I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

  • @Janevski said:
    They charge you 420 - yeah, even the price is dope,

    The arbitrary price certainly doesn’t say “mature individuals I want to trust for the next 70 years”.

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  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited December 2017

    @WSS said:

    @Janevski said:

    @deank said:
    Yeah, pretty sure they will make a run at 10 years, making a nice sum of money overall. Can't even chargeback or anything at that point.

    A nice scam attempt actually.

    I think they would renew the domains yearly, and disappear (rename company and continue doing the same thing) max 3-5 years after initial bulk of registrations.

    They charge you 420 - yeah, even the price is dope, they spend 30, max 50 the rest is money for keeping.

    Why would they do that? If they paid for the ICANN fees for 10 years, they're long, long, LONG gone by the time you get pissed about their scam. We're talking the difference of dollars.

    Yeah, i suppose that's a safer way of doing this, but they need only three months to escape "the long hand" of paypal and one week up to one month to escape the banks. If they are doing bitcoin, then they don't even need to provide the service at all. I guess the lease time is a function of greed and risk acceptance of the perpetrator.

    Having in mind there are multiple registrations, spanning across a period of time, 100$ for 10 year renewal and 320$ for keeping, a decade later, nobody gives a fuck about some broken down company, that's nice too.

    Hopefully, even the client forgets about his domain by then.

    Perhaps a mix of the two?

    Register yearly, just in case the user disputes, and if he doesn't renew for a decade.

    A very nice scam indeed.

  • Since users can see how long a domain is registered for on WHOIS, it's better to register for 10 years.

    It's a good scam. Anyone falls for it deserves whatever they get.

    The first thing a new host lies about: "We" when it's "Me".

  • mailinabox said: What is your opinion domain will expire ever?

    That's not even English, so I have no idea which choice I should click. But my opinion is that the domain name will expire.

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  • IonSwitch_StanIonSwitch_Stan Member, Host Rep

    Emailed them ...

    1. Your WhoIs will show a date.
    2. The end date will initially display 10 years out- as far out as ICANN will allow at one time.
    3. If Epik goes out of business- there will be discussion and a plan in place to work those Forever Renewals out.
    4. Forever is Forever. As stated above, ICANN will only allow us to initially renew it 10 years out and once those 10 years are up, then our system will automatically renew the domain for 1 year at a time.
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  • If Epik goes out of business- there will be discussion and a plan in place to work those Forever Renewals out.

    Solid.

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  • So what 60% of people wrote yes in the pole?

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  • @hammer said:
    So what 60% of people wrote yes in the pole?

    Yes

  • Send me the link to buy the domain directly from ICANN and I am on board..

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  • WebProjectWebProject Member, Provider
    edited December 2017

    you need to be so stupid to pay for .UK domain name $560.00 for FOREVER option as you can easily purchase 100 years elsewhere and it will cost cheaper = £5.99 (registration inc. 1 year) + 99 (years) x £3.59 (renewal cost) = £361.40

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  • I choose "No"

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  • I think smart people would realize that for normal registration at even $10; 420 = 42 years but it is not possible to renew for more than 10 years so how is it possible to pay $420 for lifetime renewal unless you know that company is going to last at least 42 years. It's great to see most responses are similar to mines.

    However; there was a time I thought crypto currencies like bitcoin could not possibly go over $20 since it's just some computer generated number of no real value but than it has gone as high as $20000.

    Whatever. Good luck anyway. If I live over 42 years from now; I'm going to say you were the genius for paying $420 dollars for this service.

  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited December 2017

    needavps said: Whatever. Good luck anyway.

    This is like saying good luck to a guy that's about to shoot himself in the head with a loaded gun. He might survive just enough to be a vegetable.

    There is no luck here, it's a fucking scam. You lose anyway.

  • Clearly with a retail price of $420 the money will go to feed someones weed supply :)

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    @Janevski said:

    @WSS said:

    @Janevski said:

    @deank said:
    Yeah, pretty sure they will make a run at 10 years, making a nice sum of money overall. Can't even chargeback or anything at that point.

    A nice scam attempt actually.

    I think they would renew the domains yearly, and disappear (rename company and continue doing the same thing) max 3-5 years after initial bulk of registrations.

    They charge you 420 - yeah, even the price is dope, they spend 30, max 50 the rest is money for keeping.

    Why would they do that? If they paid for the ICANN fees for 10 years, they're long, long, LONG gone by the time you get pissed about their scam. We're talking the difference of dollars.

    Yeah, i suppose that's a safer way of doing this, but they need only three months to escape "the long hand" of paypal and one week up to one month to escape the banks. If they are doing bitcoin, then they don't even need to provide the service at all. I guess the lease time is a function of greed and risk acceptance of the perpetrator.

    Having in mind there are multiple registrations, spanning across a period of time, 100$ for 10 year renewal and 320$ for keeping, a decade later, nobody gives a fuck about some broken down company, that's nice too.

    Hopefully, even the client forgets about his domain by then.

    Perhaps a mix of the two?

    Register yearly, just in case the user disputes, and if he doesn't renew for a decade.

    A very nice scam indeed.

    You can chargeback in 2 years from the transaction IIRC.

    https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback

    As per Which it is 540 days.

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  • xNEOxNEO Member

    You can get at least $10(even more) interest per year for the $420, $10 is more than enough to renew a .com/.net or whatever gTLD domain for a year.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    @xNEO said:
    You can get at least $10(even more) interest per year for the $420, $10 is more than enough to renew a .com/.net or whatever gTLD domain for a year.

    The prices are also regularly increased.

  • doghouchdoghouch Moderator

    @xNEO said:
    You can get at least $10(even more) interest per year for the $420, $10 is more than enough to renew a .com/.net or whatever gTLD domain for a year.

    ~2.5% interest would be nice to have :P

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  • WSSWSS Member

    @doghouch said:
    ~2.5% interest would be nice to have :P

    Who the hell still offers 2.5% interest? Must be some Credit Union.

    I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

  • doghouchdoghouch Moderator

    @WSS said:

    @doghouch said:
    ~2.5% interest would be nice to have :P

    Who the hell still offers 2.5% interest? Must be some Credit Union.

    Not sure, but it would a hell ton better than 0.5%.

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  • WSSWSS Member

    @doghouch said:

    @WSS said:

    @doghouch said:
    ~2.5% interest would be nice to have :P

    Who the hell still offers 2.5% interest? Must be some Credit Union.

    Not sure, but it would a hell ton better than 0.5%.

    No shit. I think I'm at 0.7%.

    I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

  • doghouchdoghouch Moderator

    @WSS said:

    @doghouch said:

    @WSS said:

    @doghouch said:
    ~2.5% interest would be nice to have :P

    Who the hell still offers 2.5% interest? Must be some Credit Union.

    Not sure, but it would a hell ton better than 0.5%.

    No shit. I think I'm at 0.7%.

    The fact that you get a whole 0.2% more triggers me. TRIGGER!

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  • WSSWSS Member

    @doghouch said:

    @WSS said:

    @doghouch said:

    @WSS said:

    @doghouch said:
    ~2.5% interest would be nice to have :P

    Who the hell still offers 2.5% interest? Must be some Credit Union.

    Not sure, but it would a hell ton better than 0.5%.

    No shit. I think I'm at 0.7%.

    The fact that you get a whole 0.2% more triggers me. TRIGGER!

    Gotta love the culture of victimhood.

    I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

  • mailinaboxmailinabox Member
    edited January 11

    From support:
    Jessica
    No. If you select and pay for a Forever register/renewal it is not refundable.

    Jessica
    It is legit. You would register/pay for the forever and we would register the domain for as far out as we can per ICANN which is like 9 or 10 years and then when it comes up for renewal, the system will automatically renew it for another year and continue to do so. You would not need to worry about renewing the domain again. Note- the forever is only valid within Epik so if you decide to ever transfer the domain out of Epik, it would void the forever on it.

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  • doghouchdoghouch Moderator
    edited January 11

    @WSS Even high interest accounts are a joke lol.

    My bank has an offer right now (2.3% interest with a min. balance of 5k) but interest is a taxable income, so.... yeah.

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  • mailinaboxmailinabox Member
    edited January 11

    From support:
    Jessica
    Yes. To my knowledge we are the only Registrar that offers such feature at this time. This feature allows for our customers who want to make sure they never lose their domain, never do.

    Amazing!

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider
    edited January 11
  • From support: Jessica Not at all. Less stress on the customer to remember a renewal date or to make sure the CC on file stays up to date.

    no stress what a marketing text

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  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Provider

    You should ask them how they're making this work economically, considering the registry fees. Put them on the spot.

  • AidanAidan Member

    In a few years, they'll most likely send out confirmation emails - if you fail to confirm your details in the allocated time they'll just stop renewing your domain.

    ... or they'll just deadpool, either way - it's a bad idea to buy this.

  • mailinabox said: domain registered forever

    Only way to do that is set up your own root and become your own registrar.

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