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  • netomxnetomx Member, Moderator

    Just for the US, though

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  • Come to Turkey, where everyone has equally blocked internet where there is no wikipedia, imgur, paypal or porn!

    If you guys don't go on streets to protest, you'll see worse things. We thought protesting in our chairs would help, it only got worse.

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  • Any telecom stock might be a good idea for the time being.

  • jarjar Provider
    edited December 2017

    Yep. The internet will return to what it was prior. Which is basically the same thing it was yesterday. Riots will ensue. Some websites will probably protest by limiting access and will in turn create the internet they're so deathly afraid of in the process.

    bitswitch said: Any telecom stock might be a good idea for the time being.

    I wouldn't. It's implementation didn't impact them, stands to reason it's repeal also will not. Not a good growth market IMO, at least not for anything more than really long term gains.

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  • VPN sales gonna go up !!

  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider

    @DoubleDouble said:
    VPN sales gonna go up !!

    Well now ISP providers can prioritize traffic based on their contract with that site or charge users to visit a site .like if Netflix pays Verizon ,they will get priority over other traffic .
    So VPN will not fix it wholly .

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

    Oh noes!!!!11!!!1! The internet will be just like it was in 2015!

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  • jarjar Provider
    edited December 2017

    @hostdare said:

    @DoubleDouble said:
    VPN sales gonna go up !!

    Well now ISP providers can prioritize traffic based on their contract with that site or charge users to visit a site .like if Netflix pays Verizon ,they will get priority over other traffic .
    So VPN will not fix it wholly .

    Obfuscate the traffic so they can't tell what it is. Of course, there's no use in helping people get around it while the entire problem is theoretical anyway. It's only been illegal for them to do that for a two year stretch of time, they've several years of not doing it under their belt. Not a safe bet to start a business for helping people work around theoretical problems.

    The sensational news is pretty entertaining but the reality is nothing changed today, just like nothing changed two years ago when it was introduced.

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  • I am not surprised... Nothing will change until email version 2 is released and when spam blacklists disappear...
    But even hell will freeze over by then...

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  • HTTP/3 will change everything. Everyone will have to run a Node service to run all traffic through rot13 to break the system.

    Hopefully everyone will be sterile, and the cockroaches will take over.

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  • @jarland said:

    @hostdare said:

    @DoubleDouble said:
    VPN sales gonna go up !!

    Well now ISP providers can prioritize traffic based on their contract with that site or charge users to visit a site .like if Netflix pays Verizon ,they will get priority over other traffic .
    So VPN will not fix it wholly .

    Obfuscate the traffic so they can't tell what it is. Of course, there's no use in helping people get around it while the entire problem is theoretical anyway. It's only been illegal for them to do that for a two year stretch of time, they've several years of not doing it under their belt. Not a safe bet to start a business for helping people work around theoretical problems.

    The sensational news is pretty entertaining but the reality is nothing changed today, just like nothing changed two years ago when it was introduced.

    If Obfuscated traffic get lower priority using vpn just make connection slower

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    @robohost said:

    @jarland said:

    @hostdare said:

    @DoubleDouble said:
    VPN sales gonna go up !!

    Well now ISP providers can prioritize traffic based on their contract with that site or charge users to visit a site .like if Netflix pays Verizon ,they will get priority over other traffic .
    So VPN will not fix it wholly .

    Obfuscate the traffic so they can't tell what it is. Of course, there's no use in helping people get around it while the entire problem is theoretical anyway. It's only been illegal for them to do that for a two year stretch of time, they've several years of not doing it under their belt. Not a safe bet to start a business for helping people work around theoretical problems.

    The sensational news is pretty entertaining but the reality is nothing changed today, just like nothing changed two years ago when it was introduced.

    If Obfuscated traffic get lower priority using vpn just make connection slower

    Well sounds like you've got some problems to solve if the problems actually materialize. No sense in solving them first, nothing to test the solutions against.

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider

    @robohost said:
    If Obfuscated traffic get lower priority using vpn just make connection slower

    Yes definitely .

    If YouTube pays the isp for traffic or users buy to watch YouTube ,this traffic will get priority over normal traffic or VPN .
    So VPN is not going solve the issue as isp will not block any website but slow down non paid traffic .

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    @hostdare said:

    @robohost said:
    If Obfuscated traffic get lower priority using vpn just make connection slower

    Yes definitely .

    If YouTube pays the isp for traffic or users buy to watch YouTube ,this traffic will get priority over normal traffic or VPN .
    So VPN is not going solve the issue as isp will not block any website but slow down non paid traffic .

    Man you guys have these theoretical problems all figured out ;)

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider

    They tried that here in India but failed to pass

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    @hostdare said:
    They tried that here in India but failed to pass

    India is a different culture though. Americans are very entitled and defiant.

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  • WSSWSS Member
    edited December 2017

    @jarland said:

    @hostdare said:
    They tried that here in India but failed to pass

    India is a different culture though. Americans are very entitled and defiant.

    The smugness comes in two ply.

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  • adxnadxn Member, Provider
    edited December 2017

    @hostdare said:
    They tried that here in India but failed to pass

    If this would have happened in India, then we would have lost that glorious trending section of Youtube in India.

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider

    jarland said: Americans are very entitled and defiant.

    America means freedom here, if USA has passed, other countries will adopt slowly :)

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  • @hostdare said:

    jarland said: Americans are very entitled and defiant.

    America means freedom here, if USA has passed, other countries will adopt slowly :)

    America? Freedom? Here? You have been brainwashed.

    You're so tight, baby.

  • If Obfuscated traffic get lower priority using vpn just make connection slower

    Hopefully, things does not get blocked selectively.

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  • DoubleDouble said: VPN sales gonna go up !!

    I dont think so, VPN can not save us from this thing. How can you say a VPN will help us in implementing partial NET Neutrality. ?

  • @hostdare

    America is probably one of the least democratic countries. The electoral college, gerrymandering, unlimited political donations... How do you think the NRA exists?

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  • Geez, NRA comments on LET when they didn't do anything when Bush Sr banned firearms at the federal level and almost starting going after magazine capacity due to Bill Ruger's "Letter to Congress" that suggested 10 magical rounds. However NRA is "scary" to some people when they'll compromise due to past history of compromising.

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider

    I mean culture wise , it is known as free country to us .. maybe I am wrong . I am not American

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    @FlamesRunner said:
    @hostdare

    America is probably one of the least democratic countries.

    You’re right. Copy-pasting from the ranked list:

    187. Oman
    188. Brunei
    189. Vatican City
    190. United States
    191. North Korea
    
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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider
    edited December 2017

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

     21 USA
     32 India 
    

    which seems quite ok for such huge countries

    sarcasm , you missed it ?

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    FlamesRunner said: How do you think the NRA exists?

    Partly through my Life Member contributions.

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  • @doughmanes said:
    Geez, NRA comments on LET when they didn't do anything when Bush Sr banned firearms at the federal level and almost starting going after magazine capacity due to Bill Ruger's "Letter to Congress" that suggested 10 magical rounds. However NRA is "scary" to some people when they'll compromise due to past history of compromising.

    It's amazing how guns are always the problem to people who want the big bad government to protect them from their neighbors (who they've never met).

    @raindog308 said:

    FlamesRunner said: How do you think the NRA exists?

    Partly through my Life Member contributions.

    I wish I could afford to contribute, still. I'm a lifer, but broke. At least now that we lost Net Neutrality, I can unsubscribe from DemandProgress, because the rest of their attempted force-of-hand bullshit makes me puke.

  • I mean.. it's just legal now. Before they did it illegally.

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  • I think this does happen alot actually. This would be less of an issue if these things weren't oligopolies because well if one is slowing down a favourite site you could easily change, but in many places, you got very few options like in rural towns for instance. The below link is not about ISP's but this is an almost esential monopolist doing something crappy because they can. You might say that well you could use bing bro, we have a lot of good search engines. Well in my experience bing is less good at finding things than google.

    Read this for example

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  • jarjar Provider

    Live in small town with one ISP, no issues before, no issues yet. Will update you if it changes.

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited December 2017

    LET should be its own nation. We need unilateral declaration of independence from the internet.

    "Jarland is stupid."

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    deank said: LET should be its own nation. We need unilateral declaration of independence from the internet.

    Fuck yeah! We already have a pretty accurate analogue of most nations' parliaments: the Cest Pit.

    .let TLD anyone?

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  • mfsmfs Banned, Member
    edited December 2017

    This is one one those topics where people hold strong opinions (like often happens in politics) and it's somewhat amusing that the subject moved to NRA so quickly (very American)

    Netflix, Facebook, Google and so on are always the loudest whiners against tolls carriers may ask them since they're such a bandwidth burden and I doubt something actually damaging them could ever happen; and in the end we'll be convinced that the battle is for indie innovative webdevs who can't fight back Spotify's hegemony on zero-rating mobile plans

    I preferred the Great Berlin Wall of Mexico (wholly financed by Mexico) dramastic meme but this guy drinking from a big orange mug is all the rage right now

    hammer said: Read this for example

    “Google’s practices have deprived millions of European consumers of the full benefits of competition, genuine choice and innovation,” she added.

    much deprived

    very wow

    There's this French Qwant hyped recently (with a fallback "bang" syntax à la duckduckgo) but it's not quite there yet; it leverages on the European "perception" of "privacy" in the commercial you should find on their homepage as well (at least in the Deutschland/Suisse/Italia region); obviously it supports net neutrality explicitly (well, most States in Europe allegedly support net neutrality, then e.g. zero-rating plans are a thing) since, hey, only Trump and Hitler are against net neutrality. Then again, they received from EIB some 25 million € so yeah they're indie webdevs fighting back monopolies with their own bare hands

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  • @jarland said:
    Live in small town with one ISP, no issues before, no issues yet. Will update you if it changes.

    Same here and I highly doubt they will do shit about any kind of traffic shaping.

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  • @hostdare said:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

    21 USA
    32 India

    which seems quite ok for such huge countries

    sarcasm , you missed it ?

    Did you just linked wikipedia as source?

    Oh boy, wikipedia is accurate as fuck, in terms of political stuff.

  • Well nice. I am just glad that everybody can agree to disagree with out this place becoming like the forums in news papers where each tribe is screaming at the top of their lungs at the other tribe.

    Not sure about my own politics actually.

    @raindog308 said:

    deank said: LET should be its own nation. We need unilateral declaration of independence from the internet.

    Fuck yeah! We already have a pretty accurate analogue of most nations' parliaments: the Cest Pit.

    .let TLD anyone?

    We should form a socialist country called LET land please implementing fiscal conservatism so that the credit card isn't maxed and nobody gets completely left behind?

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  • @Neoon said:

    @hostdare said:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

    21 USA
    32 India

    which seems quite ok for such huge countries

    sarcasm , you missed it ?

    Did you just linked wikipedia as source?

    Oh boy, wikipedia is accurate as fuck, in terms of political stuff.

    Or, you know, you could just look at the sources referenced on the page for the original content/report.

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    MasonR said: Or, you know, you could just look at the sources referenced on the page for the original content/report.

    Scam. Refund plz.

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  • MasonRMasonR Member
    edited December 2017

    @jarland said:

    MasonR said: Or, you know, you could just look at the sources referenced on the page for the original content/report.

    Scam. Refund plz.

    My apologies. I forgot that LET requires scholarly, peer-reviewed sources of information that are recommended by 4 out of 5 dentists.

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  • @MasonR said:

    @Neoon said:

    @hostdare said:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

    21 USA
    32 India

    which seems quite ok for such huge countries

    sarcasm , you missed it ?

    Did you just linked wikipedia as source?

    Oh boy, wikipedia is accurate as fuck, in terms of political stuff.

    Or, you know, you could just look at the sources referenced on the page for the original content/report.

    Well, I am not going to revalidated these sources.
    Sometimes there is a lot of shit/fake stuff linked in wikipedia sources.

    If you want to take them for granted, you need to validated all the sources.

  • I love wiki I learned so much from it.

    When I was more of a millenial, I used to look up countries of the worlds on it, different animals, histories of empires and other fun crap like that.

    Now I only like computers, other people's computers through the internet, and news.

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  • mfsmfs Banned, Member

    hammer said:

    We should form a socialist country called LET land please implementing fiscal conservatism so that the credit card isn't maxed and nobody gets completely left behind?

    You just described Vatican City (socialist/charitable, no VAT/low taxes, no sinful riches unless it's for the Church); yet again, you'll have to accept One and Only One Provider

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  • I like vat and taxes actually, I just like them to be used for a surplus especially in the "good growth years" or at least balanced budget because another recession will happen.

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  • mfsmfs Banned, Member
    edited December 2017

    hammer said: to be used for a surplus in the "good growth years"

    Venezuela is calling and telling you that, at least, you should diligently reinvest rather than keeping your money under the mattress or living the bling bling life for a while

    Assuming you can get a competitive and efficient service with economics governed by a State, but that's a different chapter

    You can't really drive an economy thinking that there will be a recession; the moment you're doing so, you're in the recession and the 1 hundred trillion Zimbabwe dollars you placed in your mattress are worth nothing

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Provider

    Neoon said: Sometimes there is a lot of shit/fake stuff linked in wikipedia sources.

    Yeah but list seems not very incorrect . Small and western countries at top with little people where direct democracy possible , bigger and autocratic countries/middle east countries are down which is natural . They are relative . It is not like you are better than me . Every country has specially .

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