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Aff earning collection advice. Reputation on Cloudflexy(Rackhost.co ; Dedicenter)?

kyakykyaky Member
edited October 2017 in Reviews

Hi community,

I'm writing this thread for my friend @gongyi who is running zhujiceping.com, one of the top 10 VPS marketing websites in China. He cannot explain this well in English. I'm here to help him.

He's been introducing products for providers LEB community to the Chinese marketing since 2014. He's done lots of sales for many awesome providers such as:

hostus.us ---- @AlexanderM

hostsolutions.ro ------@cociu

hostodo.com ------------ @Hassan

hostdare.com ------------ @hostdare

buyvm.net -------------@Francisco

rectified.net -------- @rectified

virmach.com ---------------- @VirMach

hostsailor.com--------------- @HostSailor

changeip.com--------------- @changeip

BandwagonHost --- Daniel.

budgetvm ,bandwagonhost , vultr ,digitalocean

on 18th, April, Cloudflexy(Rackhost) contacted him asking if he can promote products to Chinese market from LET. https://imgur.com/a/5LZ5q

It's already 2000+ sales for Cloudflexy. https://imgur.com/a/Ij4l8

He's been asking Cloudflexy to pay his earning. The provider has been putting his request on hold.
https://imgur.com/a/FUcFM without paying him in full.

He's been trying to communicate with provider and they just keep delaying the payment. https://imgur.com/a/KKzli

Affiliate Monthly Referrals Report
https://imgur.com/a/jv2Ln

https://imgur.com/a/6uGHx

In three months, only less than 1/3 of the earning is paid.

It's really appreciated if anyone can provide any advice for my friend.

Cheers,

Frank

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"Across the Great Wall we can reach every corner of the world"

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  • gongyigongyi Member
    edited October 2017

    @kyaky , thanks !

    in fact , i have been here since 2012 !

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  • ARKARK Member
    edited October 2017

    Oh Jesus
    I have heard gongyi and zhujiceping.com

    "But I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you"

  • jarjar Provider
    edited October 2017

    I know the struggle. I only pay out PayPal and my stripe isn't even connected to PayPal, and I swear affiliate payout requests only occur right after bills are paid, and when people swear off of using PayPal for a few weeks.

    The struggle is real, it's always a perfect storm. I've got a couple of payouts sitting right now, waiting for the account to fill back up during what seems to be a slow month.

    Hopefully they're good for it and just like me, not always able to have enough money in the one place that matters for that one thing at the worst time.

    Maybe he can join my affiliate program too and help me out so we all get some cash :P

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  • EdmondEdmond Member without signature
    edited October 2017

    I personally question if they're even a legit company at all. Allowing desktop Windows, charging dirt cheap pricing (after the coupons are applied), and lately changing the affiliate terms suddenly for my friend's account, probably applies to everyone:

    My guess is that they're just not even making money. Dirt cheap prices that make almost no profit and then refunded orders. Apparently you still earn commissions on canceled orders so they're probably avoiding payments right now. You got a lot of those in that list of affs.

    Oh and by the way, the above quote for max payout is $55 right? Well check this out:

    According to their aff page, it shows $99 is the minimum payout but in the ticket, it read $55 is max.

    You might get the payment if you wait, you might not, who knows. Up to 50% off coupons and 30% commissions doesn't equal they make money off of the services to pay the 6.5k you made so far.

  • gongyi and I have the same surname, tho we never meet in life.
    We may share the same family tree 500 years ago.

    And i am posting this, only to show my support to gongyi. ; D

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  • @Edmond said:
    I personally question if they're even a legit company at all. Allowing desktop Windows, charging dirt cheap pricing (after the coupons are applied), and lately changing the affiliate terms suddenly for my friend's account, probably applies to everyone:

    My guess is that they're just not even making money. Dirt cheap prices that make almost no profit and then refunded orders. Apparently you still earn commissions on canceled orders so they're probably avoiding payments right now. You got a lot of those in that list of affs.

    Oh and by the way, the above quote for max payout is $55 right? Well check this out:

    According to their aff page, it shows $99 is the minimum payout but in the ticket, it read $55 is max.

    You might get the payment if you wait, you might not, who knows. Up to 50% off coupons and 30% commissions doesn't equal they make money off of the services to pay the 6.5k you made so far.

    i had got some money from some providers as the same 30% commissions in the past.

    T here's still confusion about the cloudflexy.

  • EdmondEdmond Member without signature

    @gongyi said:

    @Edmond said:
    I personally question if they're even a legit company at all. Allowing desktop Windows, charging dirt cheap pricing (after the coupons are applied), and lately changing the affiliate terms suddenly for my friend's account, probably applies to everyone:

    My guess is that they're just not even making money. Dirt cheap prices that make almost no profit and then refunded orders. Apparently you still earn commissions on canceled orders so they're probably avoiding payments right now. You got a lot of those in that list of affs.

    Oh and by the way, the above quote for max payout is $55 right? Well check this out:

    According to their aff page, it shows $99 is the minimum payout but in the ticket, it read $55 is max.

    You might get the payment if you wait, you might not, who knows. Up to 50% off coupons and 30% commissions doesn't equal they make money off of the services to pay the 6.5k you made so far.

    i had got some money from some providers as the same 30% commissions in the past.

    T here's still confusion about the cloudflexy.

    The thing is that they're running on tiny profits, so where the heck they going to get the money to pay you? Thin air? Which providers gave you 30% and how much did they charge the customers for the services?

  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Moderator

    Here is the cancer of the aff. blogs.

  • @jarland said:
    I know the struggle. I only pay out PayPal and my stripe isn't even connected to PayPal, and I swear affiliate payout requests only occur right after bills are paid, and when people swear off of using PayPal for a few weeks.

    The struggle is real, it's always a perfect storm. I've got a couple of payouts sitting right now, waiting for the account to fill back up during what seems to be a slow month.

    Hopefully they're good for it and just like me, not always able to have enough money in the one place that matters for that one thing at the worst time.

    Maybe he can join my affiliate program too and help me out so we all get some cash :P

    The aff percentage is not that a big issue. The problem is if a provider actually pays. It's seen many providers in LEB appear and disappear after a few months which is a usual thing.

    "Across the Great Wall we can reach every corner of the world"

  • BlaZeBlaZe Member, Provider

    Wow, thats some impressive sales you have been doing!

    Lets wait for a reply from @racksx though you provided enough proof.

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  • EdmondEdmond Member without signature

    @kyaky said:

    @jarland said:
    I know the struggle. I only pay out PayPal and my stripe isn't even connected to PayPal, and I swear affiliate payout requests only occur right after bills are paid, and when people swear off of using PayPal for a few weeks.

    The struggle is real, it's always a perfect storm. I've got a couple of payouts sitting right now, waiting for the account to fill back up during what seems to be a slow month.

    Hopefully they're good for it and just like me, not always able to have enough money in the one place that matters for that one thing at the worst time.

    Maybe he can join my affiliate program too and help me out so we all get some cash :P

    The aff percentage is not that a big issue. The problem is if a provider actually pays. It's seen many providers in LEB appear and disappear after a few months which is a usual thing.

    Well hardware isn't exactly cheap, is it? Say the 512MB OVZ plan, add the 35% off coupon, makes it $7.15/year. Take commissions out, and they're left with $5/year to cover hosting costs. That's not a lot to pay for hardware and stuff you know?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @Edmond said:
    Well hardware isn't exactly cheap, is it? Say the 512MB OVZ plan, add the 35% off coupon, makes it $7.15/year. Take commissions out, and they're left with $5/year to cover hosting costs. That's not a lot to pay for hardware and stuff you know?

    LOL.

    Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with owners these days.

    That's some common core math right there.

    Francisco

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    duck dicks.

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  • @PieNotEvenEaten said:
    Here is the cancer of the aff. blogs.

    That doesnt mean providers are allowed to not keep their promises though.

    I like my uptime down low and my servers all hacked. Can see me droppin' twenty-fours with a router in the rack.
    Ya like ya Switch-Ports hot and ya servers all hacked. If ya pings real high and ya networks pitch black.

  • XIAOSpider97XIAOSpider97 Member, Provider

    Waiting for those providers to show their proof.

    Pump Cloud has been sold on Sep 1 2018.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    That's a shame.

    How come affiliate marketers outside of China that generate such numbers don't exist :(

    I am no longer active here, find me at https://talk.lowendspirit.com (Just like LET without the scams)

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider

    @AnthonySmith said:
    That's a shame.

    How come affiliate marketers outside of China that generate such numbers don't exist :(

    You missed the part where the host is selling a 512MB OVZ for < $5/year or less.

    If you do that, with a V4, you too will be moobs deep in tickets and going to the store to buy yourself a rope.

    Francisco

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    Francisco said: You missed the part where the host is selling a 512MB OVZ for < $5/year or less.

    If you do that, with a V4, you too will be moobs deep in tickets and going to the store to buy yourself a rope.

    Francisco

    LOL ok fair one.

    I am no longer active here, find me at https://talk.lowendspirit.com (Just like LET without the scams)

  • @Francisco said:

    @AnthonySmith said:
    That's a shame.

    How come affiliate marketers outside of China that generate such numbers don't exist :(

    You missed the part where the host is selling a 512MB OVZ for < $5/year or less.

    If you do that, with a V4, you too will be moobs deep in tickets and going to the store to buy yourself a rope.

    Francisco

    No need, you can save a buck and re-use a network cable:

    I like my uptime down low and my servers all hacked. Can see me droppin' twenty-fours with a router in the rack.
    Ya like ya Switch-Ports hot and ya servers all hacked. If ya pings real high and ya networks pitch black.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    haha, I don't think a network cable would hold me, probably made in china haha.

    I am no longer active here, find me at https://talk.lowendspirit.com (Just like LET without the scams)

  • HostSailorHostSailor Member, Provider

    I feel sorry for you mate, i hope your problem get solved soon, and we were happy doing business with you

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  • Feel sorry to see this kind of mess happened to my partner @gonyi, we've been doing business together for a while. He is trusty and reliable. We got your back, brah

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  • Sounds like the provider bit off more than he can chew. Didnt do enough calculations to ensure he had cash to pay people. If you note the rounded, odd payments to the aff suggests he was waiting for renewals to pay out.

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  • gongyigongyi Member
    edited October 2017

    @eastonch said:
    Sounds like the provider bit off more than he can chew. Didnt do enough calculations to ensure he had cash to pay people. If you note the rounded, odd payments to the aff suggests he was waiting for renewals to pay out.

    can i get the money ?

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Top Provider

    gongyi said: can i get the money ?

    I suggest you ask the provider for a payment plan, they may not have the money right now to spare, no point in demanding it, they will just shut you out.

    Maybe suggest they pay you over 3 months.

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  • jarjar Provider
    edited October 2017

    @gongyi said:
    can i get the money ?

    Push mxroute and if I can't pay you quickly, I'll tell you why and I'll make sure you get every dime. Everyone hits less preferred situations, no one likes it, but you should only be hyping a product from someone you know values their word and will make sure it's always made right.

    Yeah, I'm going there. I'm asking you to hype something different, help me grow so I can pay for help in support, and I'll keep money flowing to you. Mutual success. I do 25% referral, willing to negotiate.

    I has no shame.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    Raise your hand if you ever heard of cloudflexy before this thread.

    I was going to tweet a link to this thread at them...but they don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    Their site also says they're owned by rack.sx. They also don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    I think the core problem here is the companies you've agreed to promote. Or possibly the market you're promoting into...Chinese customers generate a lot of the complaints here so more marginal hosts may struggle with their chargeback mania.

    People who promote obviously sketchy or poorly-run hosts and then don't get paid...I'm having a hard time getting very sympathetic...

    For LET support, please visit the support desk.

  • MrPsychoMrPsycho Member
    edited October 2017

    raindog308 said: Raise your hand if you ever heard of cloudflexy before this thread.

    I was going to tweet a link to this thread at them...but they don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    https://twitter.com/TheRackSx

    Back in 2016 I wanted to give them a try. Their poorly designed website pushed me back, especially the logo. It felt really off and out of place. Just look at their twitter, lol. I eventually ended up going with wishosting. Now it's safe to say that I made a good decision.

    How this could work out?

    Cloud X - Ready now 10GB RAM for $9.99 per month, visit https://goo.gl/F1Y0Gi

    IIRC they rebranded to Cloudflexy this year. They completely abandoned their previous brand (shutting down the website, abandoning social media etc). Unfortunately there is no cloudflexy website in wayback machine, so you can't see how it was looking back then, but it was basically a one page placeholder. Now, it has at least some pages, but everything seems off as it has been with rackhost.co.

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  • Their website is indeed kind of mess.

    On their defence , as a costumer , I don't really have any complaints for that spec/price ratio , i have 2 VPS on them for couple months , and works fine , through I indeed feel heavy oversold problem.

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  • raindog308 said: Raise your hand if you ever heard of cloudflexy before this thread.

    I was going to tweet a link to this thread at them...but they don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    Their site also says they're owned by rack.sx. They also don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    I think the core problem here is the companies you've agreed to promote. Or possibly the market you're promoting into...Chinese customers generate a lot of the complaints here so more marginal hosts may struggle with their chargeback mania.

    People who promote obviously sketchy or poorly-run hosts and then don't get paid...I'm having a hard time getting very sympathetic...

    I will say the following:

    • I believe it is a one man show run by the guy who has an account here, Costin
    • I tried his services in an older iteration of his company (racksx) and it was a bit shakey, with node issues and eventually he couldn't even offer the service that was sold any longer
    • I hoped he had improved things, and he very well may have as far as customer satisfaction with the product, however, he used to send me a lot of spam and it sounds like he may not have enough business again if he is having issues paying out affiliate money

    Lastly, not as a slight to the guy, but as a reminder to my self that I saw issues down the line with this group, I will include this as a reference to the above comments:

    My services with him were never anything to write home about but when they worked, were not awful. The reason I stopped doing business with him is because he couldn't keep nodes online and kept having issues with abusive users. Hopefully he has learned to better manage a node by now... one would hope.

    I don't know that I would suggest their services but of course I haven't tried them in quite a while so my opinion wouldn't be worth much.

    my 2 cents.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    For LET support, please visit the support desk.

  • @raindog308 said:
    Raise your hand if you ever heard of cloudflexy before this thread.

    https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/119282/cloudflexy-good

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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    Wow impressive number of signups. You run a huge blog there.
    Thing is, its all cheap and chinese customers, generally, hit the open dispute button at PayPal before even contacting the host. Its not easy to deal with such market.

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  • Im sure many providers want that blog nuked

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  • Call for a chargeback to your fellas, I mean it is nothing new to them.

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  • Maybe they have not expected this amount of referral and they expected some order at regular price for compensate referral. What seem impossible if 95 % (idk) of their customer are from referral.

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  • kyakykyaky Member
    edited October 2017

    @raindog308 said:
    Raise your hand if you ever heard of cloudflexy before this thread.

    I was going to tweet a link to this thread at them...but they don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    Their site also says they're owned by rack.sx. They also don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    I think the core problem here is the companies you've agreed to promote. Or possibly the market you're promoting into...Chinese customers generate a lot of the complaints here so more marginal hosts may struggle with their chargeback mania.

    People who promote obviously sketchy or poorly-run hosts and then don't get paid...I'm having a hard time getting very sympathetic...

    It doesn't really matter if a particular market generates complaints. The company asked @gongyi to promote products. By default, they should know already the the market may have more problems than others. I don't think chargeback these days is the biggest issue. As you might not know, paypal refuses customers' chargeback on virtual products a lot especially for the customers in Asia. It's nothing racist just a common scenario.

    @gongyi doesn't only promote products on his blog but also promote them on different internal community groups and forums. His blog is just a link gateway. when customers want to buy, he sends link to the customers.

    You have no idea in some ways, what the CN government is doing. anything products related to VPS/VPS that is not from China is defined illegal. Any of these activities can lead to criminal charge. Already people who wrote proxy scripts in China were charged with "Crime of public information security". All I can say is @gongyi is not only doing this for affiliate money. That's why I always want to help him.

    Of coz, @gongyi needs to learn to do more background research on providers rather just their VPS performance.

    "Across the Great Wall we can reach every corner of the world"

  • @kyaky said:

    @raindog308 said:
    Raise your hand if you ever heard of cloudflexy before this thread.

    I was going to tweet a link to this thread at them...but they don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    Their site also says they're owned by rack.sx. They also don't have twitter and their web site just has a placeholder for the twitter link.

    I think the core problem here is the companies you've agreed to promote. Or possibly the market you're promoting into...Chinese customers generate a lot of the complaints here so more marginal hosts may struggle with their chargeback mania.

    People who promote obviously sketchy or poorly-run hosts and then don't get paid...I'm having a hard time getting very sympathetic...

    It doesn't really matter if a particular market generates complaints. The company asked @gongyi to promote products. By default, they should know already the the market may have more problems than others. I don't think chargeback these days is the biggest issue. As you might not know, paypal refuses customers' chargeback on virtual products a lot especially for the customers in Asia. It's nothing racist just a common scenario.

    @gongyi doesn't only promote products on his blog but also promote them on different internal community groups and forums. His blog is just a link gateway. when customers want to buy, he sends link to the customers.

    You have no idea in some ways, what the CN government is doing. anything products related to VPS/VPS that is not from China is defined illegal. Any of these activities can lead to criminal charge. Already people who wrote proxy scripts in China were charged with "Crime of public information security". All I can say is @gongyi is not only doing this for affiliate money. That's why I always want to help him.

    Of coz, @gongyi needs to learn to do more background research on providers rather just their VPS performance.

    I really appreciate your help.

  • EdmondEdmond Member without signature

    @gongyi Oh btw:

    So you might not get the full amount since you got a lot of canceled orders.... Just something you need to be aware...

  • @AnthonySmith said:

    gongyi said: can i get the money ?

    I suggest you ask the provider for a payment plan, they may not have the money right now to spare, no point in demanding it, they will just shut you out.

    Maybe suggest they pay you over 3 months.

    @Edmond said:

    @gongyi said:

    @Edmond said:
    I personally question if they're even a legit company at all. Allowing desktop Windows, charging dirt cheap pricing (after the coupons are applied), and lately changing the affiliate terms suddenly for my friend's account, probably applies to everyone:

    My guess is that they're just not even making money. Dirt cheap prices that make almost no profit and then refunded orders. Apparently you still earn commissions on canceled orders so they're probably avoiding payments right now. You got a lot of those in that list of affs.

    Oh and by the way, the above quote for max payout is $55 right? Well check this out:

    According to their aff page, it shows $99 is the minimum payout but in the ticket, it read $55 is max.

    You might get the payment if you wait, you might not, who knows. Up to 50% off coupons and 30% commissions doesn't equal they make money off of the services to pay the 6.5k you made so far.

    i had got some money from some providers as the same 30% commissions in the past.

    T here's still confusion about the cloudflexy.

    The thing is that they're running on tiny profits, so where the heck they going to get the money to pay you? Thin air? Which providers gave you 30% and how much did they charge the customers for the services?

    I guess that's not problem with @gongyi. the money is part of a contract which stipulates how, when and by what way he/she will get paid. Each and every part in a contract shall act according to that contract. So, the problem is not about Cloudflxey's financial situation, it's about reputation and trust being misplaced.

    There is no effective forum or conduits to address this kind of complaints. Yet, if @gongyi is ignored, that means not only promoting for those VPS providers will get little benefits, but also the whole trusting system is failing itself. In the future, nobody will promote ADs on their websites, And, maybe it's time for Cloudflexy(Rackhost.co ; Dedicenter) to change another name and come back once again.

  • kyakykyaky Member
    edited October 2017

    @Edmond said:
    @gongyi Oh btw:

    So you might not get the full amount since you got a lot of canceled orders.... Just something you need to be aware...

    That's a very common excuse for providers after a very hard thinking of what excuse I can make for not paying especially after being exposed to the public. Cloudflxey didn't state the so-called "canceled orders" was the issue. They promised they would pay which means amount of money for the valid orders was recognized. I believe this is something to do with reputation. @gongyi has never had problem with providers from the OP's list. They are solid and reputable providers too as many people recognize.

    "Across the Great Wall we can reach every corner of the world"

  • kyakykyaky Member
    edited October 2017

    @Edmond said:
    @gongyi Oh btw:

    So you might not get the full amount since you got a lot of canceled orders.... Just something you need to be aware...

    I personally sold many products for VPSDIM and BACKUPSY for Oktay @serverian in the past 3 years.

    I didn't have any problem at all with Oktay's business. of coz there were still many cancelled orders. It didn't count in WHMCS affiliate system or there must be filtered out otherwise how can Oktay kept losing money and paid me? I think 3 months payment cycle avoiding chargeback is acceptable. As long as provider makes an agreement with marketing sites. If that's the case, what's making it so hard to say "we need to wait for the earning settle down" instead of ignoring the payout?

    I'm not an active affiliate guy taking this as a full time job, but the total affiliate earning from Oktay's business has been thousands dollars. I remember one time the payout was relative big, the customer support asked Oktay 's advice. Oktay asked me to wait for next month. I thought it was the settle down for some orders. They explained, I waited, I got paid.

    It's all about reputation, man.

    "Across the Great Wall we can reach every corner of the world"

  • kyakykyaky Member
    edited October 2017

    For whom believe the cancelled order was the issue, Gongyi just sent me an exported file from affiliate system showing the current active orders are $5000+ It's been months without being paid. He has a good resource of good reputable customers. It's not what you think bad consumers.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8dd9UVcSfsCY1dnT1Qtc241d2s/view?usp=sharing

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  • EdmondEdmond Member without signature

    @kyaky said:

    @Edmond said:
    @gongyi Oh btw:

    So you might not get the full amount since you got a lot of canceled orders.... Just something you need to be aware...

    I personally sold many products for VPSDIM and BACKUPSY for Oktay @serverian in the past 3 years.

    I didn't have any problem at all with Oktay's business. of coz there were still many cancelled orders. It didn't count in WHMCS affiliate system or there must be filtered out otherwise how can Oktay kept losing money and paid me? I think 3 months payment cycle avoiding chargeback is acceptable. As long as provider makes an agreement with marketing sites. If that's the case, what's making it so hard to say "we need to wait for the earning settle down" instead of ignoring the payout?

    I'm not an active affiliate guy taking this as a full time job, but the total affiliate earning from Oktay's business has been thousands dollars. I remember one time the payout was relative big, the customer support asked Oktay 's advice. Oktay asked me to wait for next month. I thought it was the settle down for some orders. They explained, I waited, I got paid.

    It's all about reputation, man.

    For affiliate, usually it's removed automatically, but it's not for them apparently, not sure why. For the prices they charge, they're incapable of paying out commissions, you can't live off of providing $5/yr 512MB OVZs (after coupon + commissions). Hardware cost money...

  • @Edmond said:

    @kyaky said:

    @Edmond said:
    @gongyi Oh btw:

    So you might not get the full amount since you got a lot of canceled orders.... Just something you need to be aware...

    I personally sold many products for VPSDIM and BACKUPSY for Oktay @serverian in the past 3 years.

    I didn't have any problem at all with Oktay's business. of coz there were still many cancelled orders. It didn't count in WHMCS affiliate system or there must be filtered out otherwise how can Oktay kept losing money and paid me? I think 3 months payment cycle avoiding chargeback is acceptable. As long as provider makes an agreement with marketing sites. If that's the case, what's making it so hard to say "we need to wait for the earning settle down" instead of ignoring the payout?

    I'm not an active affiliate guy taking this as a full time job, but the total affiliate earning from Oktay's business has been thousands dollars. I remember one time the payout was relative big, the customer support asked Oktay 's advice. Oktay asked me to wait for next month. I thought it was the settle down for some orders. They explained, I waited, I got paid.

    It's all about reputation, man.

    For affiliate, usually it's removed automatically, but it's not for them apparently, not sure why. For the prices they charge, they're incapable of paying out commissions, you can't live off of providing $5/yr 512MB OVZs (after coupon + commissions). Hardware cost money...

    That's their business model. They are trading profits for sales. Just like lots of starting companies' experience of expanding market. But that kind of selling model won't last long unless some investment follows. Yet, the lower profits or even losing money for the company should not be shared by marketing websites like @gongyi. So, all is about reputation and sticking to the (implied) contract.

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  • hope dama can get the money. what's your opinion @racksx ?

  • racksxracksx Member without signature
    edited October 2017

    Hi,
    Sorry I have been not much active in the forum, as I was more busy help customers over the tickets, We cannot say that he did not send us customers, but a lot of them are just cancelling or asking for refunds even 30 days later, which we refunded due to PayPal disputes made by no reasons, I also paid him few times without even checking the orders and he was aware of that, I also told him that I need to check the orders one by one and for each completed order I will have him paid, we are working to new rules for our affiliate program this is why we also put a delay in paying everyone, not just him, we lost a lot of money due to people disputes, we will inform everyone about their affiliate status by the end of the month when we will also complete the payment.

    I did expect this post as he warned me about this.

    Our new design would be ready soon, which will also include the affiliate rules and terms and payout terms.

  • I'm a new visitor of LET but a old customer of zhujiceping.com
    It seemd you find gongyi to help you make ads and you set the 30% aff, and in the tos here said can be refund in 5 days, so it's unreasonable to refuse the aff which have refund after 30 days..
    One more thing , what's the usual term should wait for aff

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    Danielee said: I guess that's not problem with @gongyi. the money is part of a contract which stipulates how, when and by what way he/she will get paid. Each and every part in a contract shall act according to that contract.

    I was curious so I logged into a couple well-known providers who have affiliate programs. Maybe I agreed to something when I enrolled, but looking at several WHMCS, I can't find any agreement that governs the affiliate program.

    For example, looking at @Francisco 's WHMCS, TOS, and AUP, I don't see any language around the affiliate program. Same for CatalystHost and HostUs. There's some basic "how it works" language (payout at $300 for Catalyst LOL) but nothing I would call a "contract" or a legal agreement.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    5iidc said: I'm a new visitor of LET but a old customer of zhujiceping.com It seemd you find gongyi to help you make ads and you set the 30% aff, and in the tos here said can be refund in 5 days, so it's unreasonable to refuse the aff which have refund after 30 days.. One more thing , what's the usual term should wait for aff

    Customers can dispute paypal up to 180 days. So I think it'd be reasonable for providers to not pay affiliates for 6 months...right? After all, what's to prevent someone from loading up a bunch of garbage or fake accounts, taking all the affiliate money, and then canceling all the accounts?

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