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Southeast Asia provider with good routes, reliable connectivity, unlimited data

Southeast Asia provider with good routes, reliable connectivity, unlimited data

Any recommendations for a Southeast Asia provider with good connectivity, reliable uptime, and unlimited traffic? Bitcoin payment preferred...

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  • Theoretically, you need to have unlimited money for unlimited traffic.

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  • Yes, but there are lots of VPS providers who offer unmetered connections so it seems like a reasonable criteria :)

  • Unlimited and in asia either you got alot of money or you need to be realistic

  • Is the Asia traffic situation that bad? I'm used to hosts in Europe where unlimited bandwidth is very common...

  • ElliotJElliotJ Administrator

    Incendiu said: Is the Asia traffic situation that bad? I'm used to hosts in Europe where unlimited bandwidth is very common...

    Yes.

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  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider
    edited October 8

    So do you plan to max a 100M/1G port 24/7 or do you just want unlimited for peace of mind? Or do you plan to use 30Mbps 24/7 on a 100M port? Big differences in costs for that area.

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  • RayhanRayhan Member, Provider

    Bandwidth in Asia is much expensive compared to Europe & USA.

    Unlimited bandwidth will be a dream, if you are looking for 100 Mbps to 1 Gbps port speed with 2 digit $ range.

  • LeonnLeonn Member

    maybe 2Mbps with unlimited bandwidth ?

  • im8aim8a Member

    ovh

  • @MikeA said: So do you plan to max a 100M/1G port 24/7 or do you just want unlimited for peace of mind? Or do you plan to use 30Mbps 24/7 on a 100M port? Big differences in costs for that area.

    Nothing that extreme. Estimated monthly usage in the single, maybe double digit TB at the VERY most.

    I just want to avoid getting hit with overage charges (or network cut offs!) from the providers that cap usage at 1TB per month.

  • @im8a said: ovh

    Hmm, I've dealt with them twice now, and was not at all satisfied.

  • @Rayhan said: Bandwidth in Asia is much expensive compared to Europe & USA.

    Unlimited bandwidth will be a dream, if you are looking for 100 Mbps to 1 Gbps port speed with 2 digit $ range.

    And here I thought the region (particularly countries like South Korea or Japan*) were the best connected, most wired, best connected places on the planet.

    • Not really my original criteria, but I'd take something there too if I had to.
  • RayhanRayhan Member, Provider

    @Incendiu said: And here I thought the region (particularly countries like South Korea or Japan*) were the best connected, most wired, best connected places on the planet.

    • Not really my original criteria, but I'd take something there too if I had to.

    So, you need about 50 Mbps unmetered bandwidth?

    As you are looking for great service, only Singapore is recommended as location.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    We do HK based servers. But what kind of budget are you looking at?

    More importantly, what is your definition of 'good connectivity'? Low latency to China and around Asia?

    The price of bandwidth in HK can be reasonable if your expectations are also reasonable :)

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    @Incendiu said:

    @Rayhan said: Bandwidth in Asia is much expensive compared to Europe & USA.

    Unlimited bandwidth will be a dream, if you are looking for 100 Mbps to 1 Gbps port speed with 2 digit $ range.

    And here I thought the region (particularly countries like South Korea or Japan*) were the best connected, most wired, best connected places on the planet.

    • Not really my original criteria, but I'd take something there too if I had to.

    Home broadband and commercial IP transit are vastly different.

  • dyudyu Member

    I just want to avoid getting hit with overage charges (or network cut offs!) from the providers that cap usage at 1TB per month.

    This is my general feeling as well. The fact that your $5 vps gets billed an extra $10/TB to $25/TB. With linode, atleast the bandwidth is pooled so you can just launch an extra $5 vps to get 1TB when you're near the limit.

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  • RayhanRayhan Member, Provider

    @randvegeta said: Home broadband and commercial IP transit are vastly different.

    I know and i think bandwidth in HK will be more expensive than my unmetered broadband internet connection.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    @Rayhan said:

    @randvegeta said: Home broadband and commercial IP transit are vastly different.

    I know and i think bandwidth in HK will be more expensive than my unmetered broadband internet connection.

    Yes and no.

    Broadband users typically don't max our their connections, and the line remains idle for most of the day.

    The only way your connection can be cheaper and better than proper IP transit is if your connection is actually being 'subsidised'. The ISPs rely on the fact that most people don't use that much, and they will average it all out.

    Another thing to consider is that most bandwidth will be local HK. So for things like Youtube, or other heavy media sites, there is probably already a local HK server for which they connect to, and local HK bandwidth is much cheaper than international. And then beyond HK, a lot of connectivity is US/EU bound, which is cheap and plentiful. The expensive stuff is Asia/China bound, and the usage is much smaller.

    If you want a server in HK that is COST optimized, then it can be very cheap and performance still good for HK, SG, TW, JP, USA, EU and a few other places. But if you need good connectivity to other parts of Asia, China in particular, then the cost can be enormous.

    So if the OP is just looking for lots of bandwidth, and doesn't care so much about which routes are used, or latency, then it can be quite affordable. Not as cheap as USA/EU, but not too far off.

    So what kind of budget does the OP have?

  • bsdguybsdguy Member

    @randvegeta

    Well done, that overview. Thanks.

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  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    @bsdguy said: @randvegeta

    Well done, that overview. Thanks.

    Thanks. Unless your remark is sarcastic. in which case... "thanks"!

  • RayhanRayhan Member, Provider

    @randvegeta

    So, how much can be the cost of 50 Mbps shared bandwidth in HK? I am also from Asia and currently paying about $12.50 month for 50 Mbps broadband connection. The average worldwide speed is 20 Mbps, about 30 Mbps in Asia and 48+ Mbps in my country. My local provider didn't set any speed limit for me and my average usage is 200GB of data on every month.

    Interested to know about both home and datacenter bandwidth price in HK.

  • bsdguybsdguy Member

    @randvegeta said:

    @bsdguy said: @randvegeta

    Well done, that overview. Thanks.

    Thanks. Unless your remark is sarcastic. in which case... "thanks"!

    No, not sarcastic. I mean it.

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  • @Rayhan said: @randvegeta

    So, how much can be the cost of 50 Mbps shared bandwidth in HK? I am also from Asia and currently paying about $12.50 month for 50 Mbps broadband connection. The average worldwide speed is 20 Mbps, about 30 Mbps in Asia and 48+ Mbps in my country. My local provider didn't set any speed limit for me and my average usage is 200GB of data on every month.

    Interested to know about both home and datacenter bandwidth price in HK.

    Oh god, why you compare home broadband to datacenter?

  • @randvegeta said: We do HK based servers. But what kind of budget are you looking at?

    More importantly, what is your definition of 'good connectivity'? Low latency to China and around Asia?

    This is LowEndTalk so a LowEndBudget :)

    Reasonably good latency to southeast Asia. The goal is to improve performance relative to the current EU system, I don't need to win a packet race.

    ("and they're off! Traceroute reports the first hop was cleared in a record time, ladies and gentlemen, this is going to be one exciting...")

  • Adding: No traffic to China so those (I hear expensive) routes aren't an issue.

  • ExpertVMExpertVM Member, Provider

    Alternative solution, LA provider for high bandwidth requirement

    ExpertVM.com - Singapore Based Low End Provider.
  • Well, there's surprisingly little US traffic so I'm not sure that would help. Also, w.r.t high bandwidth, I should emphasize that those numbers are highly conservative... I just checked and the EU box is doing about 6 GB/day (which averages out to 180GB/mo) for the last few days (which did have unusually low usage).

  • @ExpertVM just checked out your site, looks good. Do you take Bitcoin?

  • ExpertVMExpertVM Member, Provider

    @Incendiu said: @ExpertVM just checked out your site, looks good. Do you take Bitcoin?

    Sorry to let you know that we are unable to process Bitcoin at the moment.

    ExpertVM.com - Singapore Based Low End Provider.
  • @Rayhan said: My local provider didn't set any speed limit for me and my average usage is 200GB of data on every month.

    So that means you dont have 50mbit in use, you average at about 0.7mbit. Hence it can be cheap.

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  • Well, theoretically speaking there is i-83 with their Singapore nodes. They claim to have "unlimited" traffic even in ridiculous places like Singapore and New Zealand. However, looking at their track record and stability in the past, it's only a solution if you're fine with less than 80% uptime. Also, I doubt that it'd work for double digit TB.

    Otherwise, OVH Singapore, you could get a dedi and pay the fee for an unlimited 100 Mbit/s port (+50 USD as far as I remember), which could be ideally about 60 TB? However, their routing is still not where it should be. Korea is a nice example, KT FTTx is 450ms+ to OVH SG. Not worth the money imo.

    Or just ask @randvegeta, he can get you a great deal if you can live without direct routes to mainland China as stated above.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    Incendiu said: This is LowEndTalk so a LowEndBudget :)

    It's all relative. In HK, a 20sqr meter apartment cost about US$500K. So if I found a small apartment for $200K, I would consider that seriously cheap! On the other hand, $200k in most of Europe and USA can buy a pretty decent sized house.

    So by which standard do you consider cheap to be cheap? Asia is more expensive for bandwidth, no exceptions. Cheap bandwidth by Asian standards are 'premium' price by US standards.

    Rayhan said: So, how much can be the cost of 50 Mbps shared bandwidth in HK?

    Well look, the cheapest DEDICATED 50Mbit would cost around US$200 /month (without China traffic). It could be cheaper on a larger commitment, but I think you would struggle to find anything cheaper than that.

    On the other hand, you mention only 200GB of data transfer, which as @teamacc mentioned, is an average of only 0.7Mbit. You also mentioned 'shared'. Now shared is a very difficult thing to price for. How much total capacity? How many people sharing? It makes a difference.

    But if you assume the average use is like you, and uses 200GB /month data transfer, and you had a 50Mbit line shared with... 25 people for example, then there would be capacity of about 600GB per person, and it could cost less than US$10 /month. So it could conceivably cost less than what you pay now and allow for 3x more data transfer usage. This scales up quite well too, so if you share 1G between 1,000 it would be cheaper per person. Same goes for 10G between 10,000 users.

    But lets consider relatively high personal usage of 100GB /day. That would be equivalent to about 3TB /month or about a 10Mbit average. If you have a 10G uplink to the relatively cheap upstream providers, it could cost between $10 - $20 /month, just for bandwidth. And that's 10x more than you use now.

    Incendiu said: Do you take Bitcoin?

    We accept BitCoin ;) and we can do comparable pricing to ExpertVM.

    http://hosthongkong.net/?page=vps

    'Developer Servers' don't include the Premium route traffic. In case you want to give us a go.

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  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited October 8

    Jakarta - Indonesia is part of SouthEast Asia, and we have good connectivity. (Even though, Singapore would be your best bet as we are lacking around 12 - 16ms behind, Jakarta - to Singapore latency). But we have good connectivity to and from APAC (Asia Pacific). <100ms to most China. (our Indonesia routes are best, even compare to our SG location).

    There are 3 kind of traffics (for our server product) and none of them counted based on volume:

    1. Local (inter Indonesia connectivity). Usually this kind of traffic will depend / capped / limited based on the port speed of the server. We have peers among "local peer" and the connection doesn't cost us (inexpensive indeed), so we prolong to our customer as a complimentary, as well.
    2. SG or APAC traffic. These traffic are usually burstable to the port speed of the server, because some of these traffics might include GGC, Akamai, Netflix, etc. (content or cache that might be at SG and have "intra peering" and doesn't cost us a lot).
    3. International traffic. or the traffic that have not covered by the two mentioned. This traffic charged by speed, not volume (quota). Our upstreams also charged this traffic by speed and limit them. Correct this traffic is quite expensive, indeed! Beside the bandwidth cost in SG, we need to add another expensive connection also (from Jakarta to Singapore connectivity, either using IPLC or Lambda, or IP Transit).

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  • @randvegeta said: We accept BitCoin ;) and we can do comparable pricing to ExpertVM.

    http://hosthongkong.net/?page=vps

    'Developer Servers' don't include the Premium route traffic. In case you want to give us a go.

    Premium route is China?

  • edited October 9

    Japan latency is good
    JAPAN to ASIA 30ms-60ms
    JAPAN to US 80ms-110ms
    We have dedicated server E3-1276v3
    10Mbps unlimited traffic
    or
    100Mbps 2500G traffic
    also support BTC

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  • @winnervps said: Jakarta - Indonesia is part of SouthEast Asia, and we have good connectivity. (Even though, Singapore would be your best bet as we are lacking around 12 - 16ms behind, Jakarta - to Singapore latency). But we have good connectivity to and from APAC (Asia Pacific). <100ms to most China. (our Indonesia routes are best, even compare to our SG location).

    Thanks. As I asked ExpertVM, do you take Bitcoin?

  • hzrhzr Member
    edited October 9

    JapanDedicatedServer said: Japan latency is good

    yes japan is good ! but never use leonhosting, they are forum spammer

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  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider
    edited October 9

    Incendiu said: Premium route is China?

    Bandwidth to China is incredibly expensive, so if you have a good and fast connection to China, I would call it 'Premium' yes. FYI, CN2 (China Telecom) bandwidth cost about US$150 - $200 per Mbit/s. Last quote I got from China Telecom was US$150,000 /month for a 1G uplink. So no real bulk discount. The big ISPs like PCCW, HGC and even HKBN get better rates, but still expensive.

    Take out all the high cost routes, and then bandwidth is much more affordable.

    The low cost routes are still perfectly good for Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, and a few other places in Asia. USA/EU makes little to no difference weather you use high cost or low cost routes, so you may as well use the low cost stuff.

  • @randvegeta said: Take out all the high cost routes, and then bandwidth is much more affordable.

    The low cost routes are still perfectly good for Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, and a few other places in Asia. USA/EU makes little to no difference weather you use high cost or low cost routes, so you may as well use the low cost stuff.

    Those are some pricey numbers.

    All your "Developer" servers are marked "Coming Soon" on the page -- http://hosthongkong.net/?page=vps -- so how do we order?

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    Incendiu said: All your "Developer" servers are marked "Coming Soon" on the page -- http://hosthongkong.net/?page=vps -- so how do we order?

    That's Asia for you.

    PM me the plan you want and I'll give you instructions.

  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited October 9

    @Incendiu said: Thanks. As I asked ExpertVM, do you take Bitcoin?

    Hi Incendiu, I'm so sorry, as we don't do "Bitcoining". But we accept Fasapay (it's popular among Forex industry though).

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  • @Incendiu said: Yes, but there are lots of VPS providers who offer unmetered connections so it seems like a reasonable criteria :)

    NOBODY offers unlimited unmetered. Someone started marketing their service that way once upon a time and then everyone had to start doing it. In reality, if you actually try use it most providers will shut you down or just limit your connection speed.

  • zevuszevus Member
    edited October 9

    @JapanDedicatedServer said: Japan latency is good
    JAPAN to ASIA 30ms-60ms
    JAPAN to US 80ms-110ms
    We have dedicated server E3-1276v3
    10Mbps unlimited traffic
    or
    100Mbps 2500G traffic
    also support BTC

    Regards

    yeah, definitely. I can get 95ms on (some) japan providers from Tyler, Tx (near Dallas). lower than Europe.

    lots of good providers in Japan, too (and inexpensive)

    ed: i used conoha

  • @LosPollosHermanos said:

    @Incendiu said: Yes, but there are lots of VPS providers who offer unmetered connections so it seems like a reasonable criteria :)

    NOBODY offers unlimited unmetered. Someone started marketing their service that way once upon a time and then everyone had to start doing it. In reality, if you actually try use it most providers will shut you down or just limit your connection speed.

    Yes and no. If you are using "unlimited" ad absurdum and maxing out the pipe 24/7.. then yes I could imagine some providers not being happy.

    But for my purposes, I know I won't be using absurd amounts of data. I just don't want to have to worry about data usage caps in the event I exceed the usual usage allotments by a reasonable factor.

    That is precisely the use case to which "unlimited" offers are well suited.

  • edited October 12

    @Incendiu said:

    @LosPollosHermanos said:

    @Incendiu said: Yes, but there are lots of VPS providers who offer unmetered connections so it seems like a reasonable criteria :)

    NOBODY offers unlimited unmetered. Someone started marketing their service that way once upon a time and then everyone had to start doing it. In reality, if you actually try use it most providers will shut you down or just limit your connection speed.

    Yes and no. If you are using "unlimited" ad absurdum and maxing out the pipe 24/7.. then yes I could imagine some providers not being happy.

    But for my purposes, I know I won't be using absurd amounts of data. I just don't want to have to worry about data usage caps in the event I exceed the usual usage allotments by a reasonable factor.

    That is precisely the use case to which "unlimited" offers are well suited.

    So you would rather go with a provider that lies to you about offering unlimited when in fact it's not and probably hides that in the fine print, as opposed to someone being upfront with you?

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  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    randvegeta said: And then beyond HK, a lot of connectivity is US/EU bound, which is cheap and plentiful. The expensive stuff is Asia/China bound, and the usage is much smaller.

    Nice summary, widely also applies to KR and parts of EU though the IX network and cheap long haul transport (partly also due to political stability) balances this out (RO, BG).

    Notably depending on what ISP you use your connectivity to China in HK can vary a LOT - some are more geared mainlanders and mandarin speakers (or the cantonese minority/GD) and some are plainly english/cantonese based and more oriented towards US and EU (or, rather, "English" as SG).

    Much more than in EU/US picking the right ISP in Asia can impact a lot of your performance, not just in China (good example mobile is Indonesia which seems to range from horribly unusable to actually not bad, wired anything non-monopoly in Asia has somewhat differing routes aside of Mongolia, some worse (HK) and some just minor (ID, which ends up in SG with primary upstreams a lot but with various intermediate upstreams/transports from ID).

    Incendiu said: But for my purposes, I know I won't be using absurd amounts of data. I just don't want to have to worry about data usage caps in the event I exceed the usual usage allotments by a reasonable factor.

    In that case accept non burstable.

    As you said low double digits TB max. you can just use 12000 (GB)/330 (GB in Mbit) to get = 35-40Mbit, this will cost you with a good upstream in Asia somewhere along this lines, with +-10-20% depending on POP and another +-10-20% on ISP.

    • ~50$/Mbit (~2000$) - As below and at least 30% direct China included with a 50% oversold port (1:2), in HK, KR or TW. This is, for Asia, gold standard BW only few offer for maintenance/monitoring and cost/profit reasons. You can go higher to ~75$/Mbit by having higher China % or less overselling on the port, it tops at around 100$/Mbit for pure and gets cheaper then by volume.

    • ~25$/Mbit (~1000$) - no HE, NTT/PCCW/HGC/something along Singtel/Telstra, vast peering (HK+SG and at least one other major IX), might has direct (from your host location) China but not really guaranteed, but will at least carry inside Asia always

    • ~10$/Mbit (~400$) - not pure HE but with HE, no direct China (or on/off only with no guarantees) but at least routed inside Asia primarily, example would be NTT in HK/JP or KT in Korea or CWT in Taiwan)

    • ~5$/Mbit (~200$) - mostly HE, most of Asia via US if not available peered in HK/SG/possibly JP, IX access for some useful things direct (eg. Vietnam or most of HK)

    • ~2-3$/Mbit (~100$) - crap, IX BW and oversold HE or entire datacenter/room shared on few 100Mbit international. This can be had in Malaysia and can work for some things in Asia, now also with free HE added bro.

    • 0.5-1$/Mbit (~35$) - Utter crap. Local IX and entire DC on hundred Mbit int BW or less per room. Indonesian "IIX" VPS/servers offer this and it is as bad as it sounds unless you use it as intended, to serve local IIX peered traffic at 100Mbit+ for few $.

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  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Provider

    William said: ~5$/Mbit (~200$) - mostly HE, most of Asia via US if not available peered in HK/SG/possibly JP, IX access for some useful things direct (eg. Vietnam or most of HK)

    Generally speaking, your knowledge of the HK and Asia market is astounding. One would think you actually have some serious business in the area :-D.

    The one thing I would say is, $5/Mbit HE.net is pretty cheap for a 50Mbit commit, but to be fair, on a 1G commit, the price (excluding a local loop) is generally available for $2/mbit. I think they lowered their prices when Tesltra started offering $2.5/Mbit. Cogent followed suit, also offering $2/Mbit.

    The only caveat here was the offer was on a 10G port. If you commit to the full 10G, price was even better. Obviously these are oversubscribed, but that would be Cogent/HE.net/Telstra technically overselling rather than the host/DC. But most of the smaller providers I am aware of don't have more than 1G connection to any given upstream. And a 10G local loop is kind of expensive. If you get a 10G local loop + $2/Mbit 1G commit from HE.net, it's still gonna cost $4/Mbit. You need a full 10G commit to see that price come down much more.

    Still.. $4/Mbit is damn cheap by HK / Asia standards.

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  • OliverOliver Member, Provider
    edited October 13

    @William Telstra and PCCW based transit is available in most Equinix facilities in Asia (Singapore, HK and Tokyo) for around $5-6/mbit even with small commits (100mbit).

    HE is incredibly cheap for 1 gig commitments; in fact a cross connect between Equinix facilities to reach HE in some cities costs as much or more than the 1 gig transit commit with HE.

    btw thanks @William and @randvegeta useful information here.

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