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Does Enginetron have 100% full benefits of NGINX on my server? And does it require NGINX config?

Does Enginetron have 100% full benefits of NGINX on my server? And does it require NGINX config?

I googled how to install NGINX + Apache together on my cPanel on my new server. I decided it is a long time coming and I wanted to install NGINX so I could have a way faster web server especially under heavy load.

So when I googled it I discovered Enginetron which plugs right into cPanel. I already installed it on SSH.

My question is does Enginetron have the full 100% performance benefits of NGINX as if I had just installed NGINX on my server?

Also my other question is, since this plugs right in as a "reverse proxy" as they call it, along with Apache without removing apache, is there additional NGINX to get mod_write or other .htaccess functions to work properly?

Enginetron documentation: https://github.com/engintron/engintron

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  • The general rule is that NGINX on the front end is better able to deal with lots of connections, and more efficiently. Apache at the back end is generally for backwards compatibility, as a lot of stuff is built with .htaccess rules and the like.

    I doubt there's anything much more specific wrt that software you mention, NGINX is at the front end and proxying requests to Apache.

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  • @ricardo said: The general rule is that NGINX on the front end is better able to deal with lots of connections, and more efficiently. Apache at the back end is generally for backwards compatibility, as a lot of stuff is built with .htaccess rules and the like.

    I doubt there's anything much more specific wrt that software you mention, NGINX is at the front end and proxying requests to Apache.

    So does this mean that with this software provides the full power of NGINX with no configuration? Is this a truly sounds too good to be true but really is true?? 10 seconds install and I could have done it years ago??

  • JorboxJorbox Member

    Using is since 4 monthes and its simple perfict , not only that you can assign an ip to a spific domain and you can turn off the caching for one domain,, it drops the load a lot and can handle millions of visitors easliy the servers becomes a monster after installing it and yes you can install it in 10s and everything will be setuped ,,, the only drowback you need to restart the plugin after adding ssl to any domain,, and I hope they fix that soon.

  • lnx1001lnx1001 Member
    edited August 12

    @Jorbox said: Using is since 4 monthes and its simple perfict , not only that you can assign an ip to a spific domain and you can turn off the caching for one domain,, it drops the load a lot and can handle millions of visitors easliy the servers becomes a monster after installing it and yes you can install it in 10s and everything will be setuped ,,, the only drowback you need to restart the plugin after adding ssl to any domain,, and I hope they fix that soon.

    Wow... if you're right that would be amazing...

    Would like to hear some others confirm this (especially those who can spell ;))

  • AlexanderMAlexanderM Top Provider

    Engintron doesn't really work (in an automated way) with Cloudflare / reverse proxies, especially when you have a large number of dedicated IPs. There were also a number of hurdles to consider when setting it up.

    It would be a good plugin otherwise.

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  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    It works great, but there are some minor problems once in awhile in a large environment. I'll just be glad if/when cPanel adds Nginx support directly.

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  • HxxxHxxx Member

    @MikeA it will eventually go there. You know how is cPanel and their development... One 1/4 step at a time.

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    @Hxxx said: @MikeA it will eventually go there. You know how is cPanel and their development... One 1/4 step at a time.

    Here's something from 2 months ago from a cPanel team member about Nginx support;
    https://features.cpanel.net/topic/as-a-server-administrator-i-want-standalone-nginx-supported-as-an-alternative-to-apache-so-that-i-can-offer-faster-speed-and-lower-load-on-smallers-servers#comment-52311

    So by that it sounds like it'll be coming within the next 6-12 months.

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  • JorboxJorbox Member

    @lnx1001 said:

    @Jorbox said: Using is since 4 monthes and its simple perfict , not only that you can assign an ip to a spific domain and you can turn off the caching for one domain,, it drops the load a lot and can handle millions of visitors easliy the servers becomes a monster after installing it and yes you can install it in 10s and everything will be setuped ,,, the only drowback you need to restart the plugin after adding ssl to any domain,, and I hope they fix that soon.

    Wow... if you're right that would be amazing...

    Would like to hear some others confirm this (especially those who can spell ;))

    No need to speak with someone who can spell if you understanded what I've said :)

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  • JorboxJorbox Member

    @AlexanderM said: Engintron doesn't really work (in an automated way) with Cloudflare / reverse proxies, especially when you have a large number of dedicated IPs. There were also a number of hurdles to consider when setting it up.

    It would be a good plugin otherwise.

    Alexander It works will with cloudflare And you han have as many ips as you want You have a config file to attach a host to an ip

  • ZerpyZerpy Member
    edited August 13

    @Hxxx said: @MikeA it will eventually go there. You know how is cPanel and their development... One 1/4 step at a time.

    There's two general reasons for that:

    • They're working on a 20 year old codebase, touch one thing, break 10 others - this results in iterations being super small to ensure software keeps working, and in cases like backup, and easyapache just completely rewriting the engine from ground up and plug it in.

    • If cPanel makes a mistake, it can affect an enormous amount of customers, they have to ensure the software works for servers with 1 customer on it, and servers with 10k customers on it.

    Software development isn't exactly easy if millions of websites depend on it ;)

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  • lnx1001 said: especially those who can spell ;)

    Avada Kedavra

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  • @MikeA said:

    @Hxxx said: @MikeA it will eventually go there. You know how is cPanel and their development... One 1/4 step at a time.

    Here's something from 2 months ago from a cPanel team member about Nginx support;
    https://features.cpanel.net/topic/as-a-server-administrator-i-want-standalone-nginx-supported-as-an-alternative-to-apache-so-that-i-can-offer-faster-speed-and-lower-load-on-smallers-servers#comment-52311

    So by that it sounds like it'll be coming within the next 6-12 months.

    Would require to update cpanel and since cpanel removed x3 theme forcing retarded "paper lantern" horrific theme last year, 75% of cpanel userbase no longer can receive cpanel updates else lose x3 theme, which is the only reason to use cpanel.

  • @lnx1001 said:

    @ricardo said: The general rule is that NGINX on the front end is better able to deal with lots of connections, and more efficiently. Apache at the back end is generally for backwards compatibility, as a lot of stuff is built with .htaccess rules and the like.

    I doubt there's anything much more specific wrt that software you mention, NGINX is at the front end and proxying requests to Apache.

    So does this mean that with this software provides the full power of NGINX with no configuration? Is this a truly sounds too good to be true but really is true?? 10 seconds install and I could have done it years ago??

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider
    edited August 14

    @lnx1001 said:

    @MikeA said:

    @Hxxx said: @MikeA it will eventually go there. You know how is cPanel and their development... One 1/4 step at a time.

    Here's something from 2 months ago from a cPanel team member about Nginx support;
    https://features.cpanel.net/topic/as-a-server-administrator-i-want-standalone-nginx-supported-as-an-alternative-to-apache-so-that-i-can-offer-faster-speed-and-lower-load-on-smallers-servers#comment-52311

    So by that it sounds like it'll be coming within the next 6-12 months.

    Would require to update cpanel and since cpanel removed x3 theme forcing retarded "paper lantern" horrific theme last year, 75% of cpanel userbase no longer can receive cpanel updates else lose x3 theme, which is the only reason to use cpanel.

    Why would anyone want to use the old x3 theme? Wasn't it created like 10 years ago? The new one was meant to be responsive and more lightweight pretty sure..

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  • lnx1001lnx1001 Member
    edited August 14

    @MikeA said:

    @lnx1001 said:

    @MikeA said:

    @Hxxx said: @MikeA it will eventually go there. You know how is cPanel and their development... One 1/4 step at a time.

    Here's something from 2 months ago from a cPanel team member about Nginx support;
    https://features.cpanel.net/topic/as-a-server-administrator-i-want-standalone-nginx-supported-as-an-alternative-to-apache-so-that-i-can-offer-faster-speed-and-lower-load-on-smallers-servers#comment-52311

    So by that it sounds like it'll be coming within the next 6-12 months.

    Would require to update cpanel and since cpanel removed x3 theme forcing retarded "paper lantern" horrific theme last year, 75% of cpanel userbase no longer can receive cpanel updates else lose x3 theme, which is the only reason to use cpanel.

    Why would anyone want to use the old x3 theme? Wasn't it created like 10 years ago? The new one was meant to be responsive and more lightweight I believe.

    Why would anyone want to use the piece of crap paper lantern abomination? Wasn't it designed by total incompetent retards?

    The new one is a total piece of garbage, No one wants that piece of crap responsive theme.

  • ZerpyZerpy Member

    @lnx1001 said: The new one is a total piece of garbage, No one wants that piece of crap responsive theme.

    The good thing about Paper lantern is that you can easily customize it or create a new theme on top of it :-) Get rockin' ;)

    Also there's a x3 style in Paper lantern.

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    @lnx1001 said: Why would anyone want to use the piece of crap paper lantern abomination? Wasn't it designed by total incompetent retards?

    The new one is a total piece of garbage, No one wants that piece of crap responsive theme.

    Why would anyone want to use CentOS 7 when there is CentOS 5?

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    @MikeA said: Why would anyone want to use CentOS 7 when there is CentOS 5?

    scientific linux rocks the most.

  • Zerpy said: scientific linux rocks the most.

    Linux from scratch kicks all asses!!!!!

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  • jarlandjarland Administrator

    lnx1001 said: Why would anyone want to use the piece of crap paper lantern abomination? Wasn't it designed by total incompetent retards?

    The new one is a total piece of garbage, No one wants that piece of crap responsive theme.

    Because it's a beautiful and functional update that was long deserved. Can't be true that no one wants it when I want it, love it, and use it.

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  • HxxxHxxx Member

    @jarland Just logged into mxroute.... Yeah idling account. What a beautiful cPanel theme. Good job.

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  • lnx1001lnx1001 Member
    edited August 15

    @jarland said:

    lnx1001 said: Why would anyone want to use the piece of crap paper lantern abomination? Wasn't it designed by total incompetent retards?

    The new one is a total piece of garbage, No one wants that piece of crap responsive theme.

    Because it's a beautiful and functional update that was long deserved. Can't be true that no one wants it when I want it, love it, and use it.

    You either work for them or are stupid. That is the worst abomination piece of crap to ever hit any software, and the forced update made it lucky that the developers were not murdered in their sleep by pissed customers.

    Also, paper sh*tturd has zero customization abilities unlike x3 which I still use and x3 is perfect and never gave me any problems. I love x3 as does 97% of the userbase based on polls. If I ever have to upgrade cpanel, I will leave them forever. Only reason I am still on cpanel is because I was able to force BLOCK all cpanel upgrades to keep x3 theme.

  • Anyway we are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off topic as cpanel junk has NOTHING to do with this topic.

  • HxxxHxxx Member

    Shut up. (Hoping you get triggered and make drama)

    @lnx1001 said: Anyway we are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off topic as cpanel junk has NOTHING to do with this topic.

  • jarlandjarland Administrator
    edited August 15

    lnx1001 said: You either work for them or are stupid

    When someone doesn't agree with you about the design of a control panel you think it's appropriate to insult them like that? Enjoy your time out.

    Feel free to look up where I work, ya jerk. Nothing anonymous about my name.

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  • ZerpyZerpy Member

    @jarland said:

    lnx1001 said: You either work for them or are stupid

    When someone doesn't agree with you about the design of a control panel you think it's appropriate to insult them like that? Enjoy your time out.

    Feel free to look up where I work, ya jerk. Nothing anonymous about my name.

    Based on your name, I'd say you work in the land of jars!

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  • LeL. Thread owner get banned from forum hahahaha,

  • lnx1001lnx1001 Member
    edited August 18

    Back on topic, just wanted to follow up. New server with NGINX using enginetron with ZERO config (10 second install, waited a few minutes for install to complete, that's it) definitely has noticeable performance improvement, and the websites now show "NGINX" as the web protocol so yes NGINX is installed, wonderful. I want to try it on my production server now.

  • @lnx1001 said: Back on topic, just wanted to follow up. New server with NGINX using enginetron with ZERO config (10 second install, waited a few minutes for install to complete, that's it) definitely has noticeable performance improvement, and the websites now show "NGINX" as the web protocol so yes NGINX is installed, wonderful. I was to try it on my production server now.

    If you use cloudflare don't forget to edit the custom config

  • I don't use cloudflare

  • And to update again, it causes all wordpress login page to go to 404 error page on centos 6 using easyapache 3. So as a result until that is fixed I had to disable it on the whole server sadly.

    Works good on centos 7 with easyapache 4.

  • so as a result, enginetron cannot be used on centos 6.

  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @lnx1001 said: And to update again, it causes all wordpress login page to go to 404 error page on centos 6 using easyapache 3. So as a result until that is fixed I had to disable it on the whole server sadly.

    Works good on centos 7 with easyapache 4. @lnx1001 said: so as a result, enginetron cannot be used on centos 6.

    Dont use EA 3. Dont use CentOS 6. All fixed.

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  • Hello there,

    I also use a Apache + Nginx combo for some time now and I'm very pleased with performances. Nginx is great for handling frontend and Apache handles (.htaccess) requests. Engintron is where I stumbled upon some issues. To be more precise, It doesent go well if you plan on using CloudFlare. Basicly you will need to add spcific rule for every new domain that uses CloudFlare. Tip: occasional cache & temp files in Engintron can cause slight issues.

  • lnx1001lnx1001 Member
    edited November 4

    Engintron is working ok on my other server with centos 7 and ea4. However, I have noticed some problems with stored PHP sessions inside custom built wordpress plugins which send and retrieve info from the database. There seems to be a big delay that prevents it from working properly.

    The good news however is that it significantly, even dramatically has improved server performance. I also reactivated it on server 1 (centos 6 ea 3) after moving problematic wp sites to server 2 (could not login to those sites). Now server 1 also has experienced dramatic improvement.

    By the way I experience occasional issues with adding new things, restarting services, etc in which case I need to restart NGINX over ssh

    service nginx restart

    I also experienced major issues at times with ssl certificates. I had to manually find the many locations for ssl certs in the server (over ftp using root user), manually delete them, delete in cpanel also, re-add in cpanel, it all is about 1 to 2 days of work if you experience problems - more if you don't know what you're doing.

  • Remember that Engintron is not compatible with cPanel's AutoSSL. Read more here: https://github.com/engintron/engintron/wiki/SSL-certificate-considerations-with-cPanel's-AutoSSL

  • agentmishraagentmishra Member, Provider

    Have been using engintron since More than 14 months now

    Excelent plugin

    Works great

    If you wish some special task, then you need to make some changes in the config

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  • GoogieHostGoogieHost Member without signature

    I tried to enable Engintron on my cPanel server but it wasn't working with Lets Encrypt or Auto SSL, all websites were getting down after you activate Enginetron :(

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