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Fortatrust adding non paying clients to shameroll with a public blacklist page

upfreakupfreak Member
edited July 2013 in Providers

Well, here is a provider who published their non-paying clients on their website with firstname, lastname, address, amount due. The list is last updated march 19 2013.

http://www.fortatrust.com/blacklist/

What are your thoughts?

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  • We have lots and lots of these, but against privacy I say.

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  • I don't think that's right... They pay before services are rendered correct? On non-payment just take the stuff down.

  • JeffreyJeffrey Member
    edited July 2013

    Is that list going public like that, even legal? On the other note, try to find someone on that list thats on LET!

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  • @Jeffrey said:
    Is that list going public like that, even legal? On the other note, try to find someone on that list thats on LET!

    its linked on their footer, so they intend to make it public.

  • SpiritSpirit Disabled
    edited July 2013

    Wow. I usually pay invoices as soon as I recieve them instead waiting due date however seeing this I wouldn't go anyhere near Fortatrust host.

    @Jeffrey said:
    Is that list going public like that, even legal?

    Not in EU. They seems to be based in Panama however operations like this would be forbidden in EU.

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  • earlearl Member

    Hey bluevm Justin owes them $136??

  • @BlueVM Hey uh, the debt collectors are here!

    This is going to be interesting.

  • in before bluevm pays them to remove them from the list.

  • BlueVMBlueVM Member
    edited July 2013

    We cancelled our services, but they refused to accept the cancellation and kept charging us for services. We aren't paying because their company is literally the biggest scam on the internet. It'll be a cold day in hell before they get another payment from me for their substandard hardware.

    @MrObvious, @Earl, @Dragoon0309

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  • @BlueVM I completely understand and was only teasing. Any company that does that is bad in my books. Sounds like 1&1 when I cancelled and then they sent collections after me.

  • BlueVMBlueVM Member

    @Dragoon0309 - It was one of their cheap $10 a month dual cores too... they've been charging us for over a year without cancellation. Should call my lawyer...

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  • @BlueVM said:
    Should call my lawyer...

    Yes please do, and bring these guys out of their coconut shells...

  • DomainBopDomainBop Member
    edited July 2013

    It's almost humorous that Prieur Leary and Fortatrust would publish a list of people who don't pay their bills when you consider their history:

    Cause Of Action: Bankruptcy Appeal from Judgment/Order
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2012cv21339/397971/
    
    Cause Of Action: Racketeering (RICO) Act
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2012cv20977/396315/
    
    Cause Of Action: Bankruptcy Appeal from Judgment/Order
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011cv22572/383173/
    
    Cause Of Action: Bankruptcy Appeal from Judgment/Order
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011bk00004/383150/
    
    Cause Of Action: BKC 9033 Proposed findings/judgment
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011mc22095/380882/
    
    Cause Of Action: Bankruptcy Appeal from Judgment/Order
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011cv21996/380441/
    
    Cause Of Action: Bankruptcy Appeal from Judgment/Orde
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011bk00001/380389/
    
    Cause Of Action: Motion for Withdrawal of Reference
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011cv21911/380040/
    
    Cause Of Action: Motion for Withdrawal of Reference
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011bk00002/380019/
    
    Cause Of Action: Motion to Stay Bankruptcy Proceedings
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011mc21744/379319/
    
    Cause Of Action: Motion to Stay Bankruptcy Proceedings
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011mc21707/379142/
    
    Cause Of Action: Motion to Stay Bankruptcy Proceedings
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2011mc21409/377847/ 

    That's just page 1. There is another entire page :)
    http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=infolink

    ...and 35 cases in Federal Court involving Mr. Leary
    http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=Prieur+Leary&search=Search&stateorcourt=&judge=&lawsuittype=&documentfilter=allcases&after=&before=

  • earlearl Member

    It seems Adam ng also owes $136.. not sure if it's the same Adam from cvps.

    I guess they are like server pronto.. tempting prices but unethical business practice.

  • I guess they are like server pronto.. tempting prices but unethical business practice.

    not just like, it's the same people

  • BlueVMBlueVM Member

    @earl - Server Pronto = FortaTrust = Scam = Do NOT buy.

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  • earlearl Member

    Ooh.. did not realize they are the same company!

  • rds100rds100 Member

    FortaTrust is scam, just stay away. They kept spamming me even though i never got any service from them. Sending them polite emails to stop didn't help. Had to send them some very rude email.

    -

  • ZettaZetta Member
    edited July 2013

    Holy shit, just take one look at their Facebook page and you know they're professional:

    https://www.facebook.com/fortatrust

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  • Wow. That's certainly professional.

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  • @Zetta said:
    Holy shit, just take one look at their Facebook page and you know they're professional:

    https://www.facebook.com/fortatrust

    FortaChicks... Wow professional...

  • HassanHassan Member, Provider

    @Zetta said:
    Holy shit, just take one look at their Facebook page and you know they're professional:

    https://www.facebook.com/fortatrust

    I mean I certainly enjoy that but on their companies Facebook page??? Are they kidding me?

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  • If I don't like someone can I order FortraTrust with his/her details and become "delinquent", so that the person shows up in the blacklist?

    I'm here to collect your heart

  • AlexBarakovAlexBarakov Member, Provider

    Interesting how they got my email, when I was never near them:
    http://i.imgur.com/0eGThlC.png

    This is on my personal email. I assume some of those whmcs DB leaks.

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  • @earl said:
    It seems Adam ng also owes $136.. not sure if it's the same Adam from cvps.

    There exists only 1 Adam/Kevin.

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    I know quite a few people on that list with the same story as @BlueVM. They cancelled but fortatrust/serverpronto decided to call them customers that aren't paying. This is a total scam.

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  • NodepopNodepop Member
    edited July 2013

    @Liam said:
    Only a scummy host would enact such as policy. I think the blacklist is good in the respect that hopefully it will deter people away from signing up with such a terrible host.

    Couldn't have said it better. If you are worried about your billable's get commitments or prepays.

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  • BlueVMBlueVM Member

    I find it funny that they haven't sent it to collections. Because if they had then it'd be easy to get the debt cancelled and if they put it on their site it'd be harassment which would make this a lot easier.

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  • And this is why privacy policies exist. What shady business practices to post people's personal details like that.

  • RajuZRajuZ Member
    edited July 2013

    Scamers,
    terrific support, No Solusvm, require 10$ for OS re-installations

  • I wonder if they have the right to post those pics.

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    Not having enough funds to pay doesn't mean you're not going to pay on time, I personally only load my card when I have to pay for something online.

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  • @Bogdacutuu said:
    Not having enough funds to pay doesn't mean you're not going to pay on time, I personally only load my card when I have to pay for something online.

    And this is exactly why people should not have their cards loaded, scams will charge them, no matter what.

    Paypal does have some advantages.

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  • TsumeTsume Member

    Indeed, paypal subscriptions are the worst though. They can be started up and you'd never be the wiser. few months down the line and you're wondering why you're still getting charged.

    Never heard of fortatrust, but their name is clearly misleading. zing

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  • @Tsume said:
    Indeed, paypal subscriptions are the worst though. They can be started up and you'd never be the wiser. few months down the line and you're wondering why you're still getting charged.

    Never heard of fortatrust, but their name is clearly misleading. zing

    Ah you mean that subscription that you create in your paypal account. Those emails that you get informing you when a payment has gone from your account don't help either. /sarcasm

  • TsumeTsume Member

    What emails?
    The last time I did a subscription there was no notice what so ever, and I didn't find out it was an automatic payment until months later after I canceled and kept getting charged. I had to contact paypal to find out why money kept getting paid without my doing it.

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  • PayPal sends you an email every time it sends a payment.

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    This is going to be interesting.

  • lol! I've visited the FortaTrust website and now I get ads for FortaTrust with one of those pictures as a background.

    I recommend Prometeus, the best provider ever!

  • Ash_HawkridgeAsh_Hawkridge Member
    edited July 2013

    @Tsume said:
    What emails?
    The last time I did a subscription there was no notice what so ever, and I didn't find out it was an automatic payment until months later after I canceled and kept getting charged. I had to contact paypal to find out why money kept getting paid without my doing it.

    Have you entered the right email address? I use PayPal on a daily basis, it sends you an email every time a payment comes into or leaves your account.

  • IvanIvan Member
    edited July 2013

    In case you guys did not already knew, every once in a while, go to your Paypal account > Profile > My Money > My Preapproved Payments > Update.
    You will then be able to see a list of subscriptions, automatically billed payments, and installment plan payments.

  • JeffreyJeffrey Member
    edited July 2013

    Fortatrust/Serverpronto Has to be one of the worst hosting providers out there. Their hardware/network isn't bad, but their billing is an absolute nightmare and impossible to get out of.

  • smansman Member
    edited July 2013

    You gotta be nuts to do post pay in this business. It's bad enough dealing with the chargebacks.

  • @Tsume said:
    Indeed, paypal subscriptions are the worst though. They can be started up and you'd never be the wiser. few months down the line and you're wondering why you're still getting

    I think you've been misinformed so far. I always make it a point to remove subscriptions from my Paypal account right after I sign up with any host. Since I get monthly invoices, I dont need my money to be debited without my express consent. Recently I had trouble with Namecheap, when they had actually set up a subscription, but charged the account only after a week. The subscription had been deleted by then. :)

    Paypal gives you an option to cancel any automatic subscription. If you don't use them, Paypal can't be blamed.

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  • ztecztec Member

    This company is criminal in my judgement. Not that I'm on that list, only heard of serverpronto before.

    You can spam me with any yearly shared hosting deal.

  • @joelgm said:
    Paypal gives you an option to cancel any automatic subscription. If you don't use them, Paypal can't be blamed.

    Nor the host. We have that issue many times, people forget they setup a subscription and pay by hand too. Then we are the criminals that charge twice for same service.

    It costs us money to send the money back (paypal part of the fee is not refunded), and, guess what, the next month is THE SAME PROBLEM !!!!

    We removed the ability to add credit even, on one portal, these automatic payments are annoying enough. We are thinking to create a processing fee for sending the money back, so people will think twice.

    Personally, each time I am forced into a subscription, i order the product, cancel the payment, go back to the invoice and pay manually like any invoice. Saves me the trouble to go and cancel from paypal.

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  • @Maounique said:
    Personally, each time I am forced into a subscription, i order the product, cancel the payment, go back to the invoice and pay manually like any invoice. Saves me the trouble to go and cancel from paypal.

    We have in our TOS that we wont refund account credit, which covers this sort of thing.

    I don't think some customers realize we have accounting to take care of each month, coming back three month later and saying "You have taken my money, refund it NOW!" means that we have to adapt three months worth of accounting to reflect the refunds in some cases. Who's paying the accountant if its not done internally?

  • danodano Member

    I only see negative from posting this information about these non-paid accounts. Although I don't advocate leaving outstanding invoices, many times there are reasons that contracts need to be cancelled, and a host should try their best to come to an agreement with their client, about the outstanding sum. For example, I recently purchased a dedicated server that had a special with a 90 day agreement -- after the first month, I wasn't needing the server anymore. When the next invoice came in, I let them know that I didn't need it and what I can do to work it out? They let me know that they had a fee for cancelling on this special. I received the final bill, about 1/5 or 1/4 of the total bill - I paid that and we are both squared up(I understood it was a 3 month minimal deal and they were flexible enough not to require to pay out the total bill). When I was looking around Denver for a colo, I noticed FT but never called them -- I think I will stay away though, as I don't want to end up on a list for a final payment we can't agree upon.

  • @dano said:
    I think I will stay away though, as I don't want to end up on a list for a final payment we can't agree upon.

    Here's my problem with that statement. A contractual agreement shouldn't be negotiable, you shouldn't need to agree on anything, you agreed to the terms beforehand when you signed up.

    I constantly get the impression that some people see business on the internet as a different game altogether, when in reality its no different to signing a paper contract with your loan or insurance provider etc. If i tried what you suggested with my internet or phone provider, they wouldn't ware it, i would have to settle the bill or go to court once a threshold was reached, simple.

  • TsumeTsume Member
    edited July 2013

    I'm pretty sure your provider would cancel your service long before that happened. Unless they enjoy paying mindless court fees. Though I don't doubt they have the money for it. It's bad practice.
    "I'm going to keep charging this person after 2-3 months down the line knowing they haven't and won't be paying it." Doesn't make much sense.

    Since when does paypal not pay their portion of a refund? Every time I've had to issue a refund. I gave back my portion and paypal gave back theirs. With no initial loss to either side.

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