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Small dedicated server for virtualization

JF002JF002 Member
edited July 2017 in Requests

Hi,

I'm searching for a little dedicated for my personal projects and experiments.
For now, I use 2 VPS for my projects (2 low-traffic websites, Pydio, a Mastodon instance,...). I pay a little more than 7€/month for these services.

But now, I would like to go further and create virtual machines (OpenVZ, KVM, Docker), install Proxmox,... This would allow me to try new things and test applications without breaking the 'production' services (websites, Mastodon,...).

Virtualization seems to be a good solution, but unfortunately, it is not available on most of VPS (not on mine, at least).

That's why I'm looking for a small dedicated server. Here are the requirements:

- Min. 2-4 cores
- Min. 4-8GB RAM
- Min. 100Go HDD/SSD
- Possibility to run virtual machines (Docker/OpenVZ/KVM). I plan on trying Proxmox.
- Min. 500GB traffic @ 100mbps
- Max. 10€ / month (I pay 7€/month for the 2 VPS I already have).
- I'm willing to pay quarterly/yearly if needed.
- EDIT : Location : Europe

Of course, these are the minimum requirements, if it is possible to have better spec for the price, it would be great.

I've looked at Kimsufi, but they are always out of stock.
There was a very good deal at Online, but it was sold out before I received the promotional email.
I also noticed Netcup with their Root Server, but I need to pay a supplement for VMX, which brings the price over my budget.

Do you know of any other offer that suites my needs? Are these specs available for my budget?

Thanks for your help!

Comments

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    You may be better off sticking with VPS since most dedicated servers will consume that much in power any way. You may be able to get away with 20-30 EUR, but 10 would be really hard.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited July 2017

    Of course, these are the minimum requirements, if it is possible to have better spec for the price, it would be great.

    Sure, and I want dual E5 for 25€/m

    On a serious note, finding a dedicated with 10€/m budget including VAT is nearly impossible. Even if you find one, it would be something like online.net special summer sale.

    Then you need IPv4 failovers unless you intent to run NAT VPS's under the host IP.

    Each failover will cost you 2€ more monthly with online.net

    You are wanting everything and paying peanuts. 10€/m does not even cover the power bill of your server for the hosting provider. They have to live too..

    With 10€/m the only thing you get is Nested Virtualizion with your host "node" being another KVM VPS at best if some provider allows that.

  • JF002JF002 Member

    I do not earn money with my VPS, that's why I do not want to pay more for the servers.

    Yeah, I know that I ask a lot for very little money. But sometimes, this kind of deal appears. I'm waiting for them, but I'm always too late, that's why I'm here :)

    I do not need top notch service, with a lot of IP,...

    Summer deals from Online are perfect for me... when they are in stock!
    I think that nested virtualization is OK for me, I just don't know where I can find a provider allowing it. I'm open to alternative solutions ;)

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    JF002 said: I do not earn money with my VPS, that's why I do not want to pay more for the servers.

    And you cant afford more than 10EUR? In Europe, electricity cost what, 0.12 EUR /kwh?

    Okay so you get a relatively modern, low power server. That uses around 70 watts at idle. That's going to cost 6.25 EUR in electricity alone, assuming there is no cooling cost (which there always is). But lets assume you find a vendor who doesn't pay for cooling, you need to consider the fees (Paypal/CreditCard) and that most providers probably need to charge VAT. Just for the electricity, the break even price is about 7.88 EUR.

    So basically, you are either looking for a vendor who can provide a server, network, space and IPs for less than 2EUR.

    OR, you want them to basically lose money on you. And that is more likley.

    Maybe in some place in the US you can get mega cheap power, but in Europe and pretty much anywhere else for that matter, your budget doesn't even cover power costs (most providers pay double for cooling!).

    Up your budget to $20 - $30 and you MIGHT find something. But even if you up it to $30, it's a tall order.

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  • iKeyZiKeyZ Veteran
    edited July 2017

    @JF002 said:

    I have one of the Online specials with 120GB SSD / 8GB RAM & 8 cores going spare.

    If you are OK with renting that from me, let me know :-)

    https://documentation.online.net/en/dedicated-server/offers/limited/server-dedibox-xc-deals-1701-2

  • JF002JF002 Member
    edited July 2017

    @randvegeta Ok, ok, ok, I get it! I imagined what would be the perfect server for me and I ask if it exists, that's all. Of course, I could pay more for a server, but I don't want to. If this server doesn't exist, ok, that's right, I'll do another thing with my money and free time. I do not have all your knowledge about the price of electricity, hardware and cooling, but I noticed that sometimes, such good deals pop up, and I try to find one.

    And as I said, it does not need to be a real dedicated server. Any virtualized instance allowing nested virtualization could be ok.

  • @iKeyZ said:

    @JF002 said:

    I have one of the Online specials with 120GB SSD / 8GB RAM & 8 cores going spare.

    If you are OK with renting that from me, let me know :-)

    https://documentation.online.net/en/dedicated-server/offers/limited/server-dedibox-xc-deals-1701-2

    Sure, it's totally fine to buy servers with your own name and then rent them to strangers for 4eur profit. Obviously nothing bad is gonna happen, like someone using your server and creditendals to share kiddie porn from it. if youre gonna resell, its better to have a company so youre not individually responsible for whats coming.

  • JF002 said: But now, I would like to go further and create virtual machines (OpenVZ, KVM, Docker), install Proxmox,... This would allow me to try new things and test applications without breaking the 'production' services (websites, Mastodon,...).

    I don't understand what are you need from dedi server? Why not just to try to use cloud service provider like vultr, do, or lunanode, or any other who will give you a way to play with your instances how you wish, then turn them off, and save costs.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    JF002 said: And as I said, it does not need to be a real dedicated server.

    As I said, just stick with VPS. Why do you need 'nested' VPS? You're better off buying multiple individual VPSs.

    It's still cheaper,in many cases, to provide you dedicated resources from NEW hardware than it is to give you a dedicated server that runs on old (even free) hardware.

    Let's assume you need 4GB RAM worth of VPS at a cost of 10 EUR /month. A Xeon E5-2650 loaded with 64GB RAM can support 15 people just like you. Power costs would be 10-15 EUR /month for the whole server. But with 15 clients, each paying 10 EUR, hey what do you know! There's enough money for power, some bandwidth, a few IP addresses and enough left over for a small profit margin.

    You may find a provider that can do nested virtualization, but you'd probably be better off getting 4x Small VPS than 1 VPS with 4 sub-VPS in it. Less overhead.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    Or if you have a spare computer, just run one from home!

  • There is also regular online's dedibox SC, within the price and specs, the only issue is setup fee...

  • You will have take it up in stages I believe..for ex: docker can be tested in any VPS..openvz can be tested with impactvps and similar VDR providers...Networking multiple VMs together can be tested with wishosting or similar...just my thoughts

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    @JF002 Try WholeSalesInternet. https://www.wholesaleinternet.net/dedicated/
    Their 10$ server is perfect for your needs (vt-x capable, 4GB memory, 2 cores E-8400 usually). There is not always in stock, but you can sign with your email to get noticed just when it comes available (the system is automated, so, when you get the email grab the server soon before someone else grab it).
    Also, there is Quadix 9,5@ server (https://quadix.co/ix/cart.php?a=add&pid=6) but it is not often in stock. You have to be lucky to find one but they do not have any notice system (I grabbed one last month).

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    @JF002 Also, if you want to setup proxmox and use only LXC, and/or use docker, you can grab a netcup's "root server" (KVM with dedicated cores). For ~8$ per month, you get 320GB SSD, 6GB memory and 2 dedicated cores CPU. You can install proxmox on top and use virtualization (or, should say, "containerization") with LXC. Add on ips are available for 1€ each per month, and it works like a charm (I have such a setup and use it in production environment with LXC with NAT and add on ip containers).

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  • JF002JF002 Member

    @jvnadr I saw these RootServers from netcup, but from what I understand, I need to pay for an option (XMV) in order to be able to use virtualization. But I'm not sure if this option is needed for docker/LXC container.

  • JF002JF002 Member

    To everyone : Thank you for all your information. I didn't know the real cost of dedicated servers vs. VPS. I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings by asking the moon for peanuts. I just want to experiment with virtualization, isolate some services against other experimentations,... I saw some good deals, but was not quick enough to buy them, so I asked here, just in case someone could point me to another good deal fitting my ambitions.

    Of course, I can use multiple VPS, instantiate Scaleway instances, order new services,... but, you know, I wanted to try something new.

    Now, here are my options : stick with my 2 VPS that work correctly, wait for another good deal and take it, or raise my budget :)

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    JF002 said: But I'm not sure if this option is needed for docker/LXC container

    No, the option is only to enable vt-x instructions to the vps, so be able to use KVM (real hypervizor). For Docker/LXC/OpenVZ you don't have to pay anything more and it is a perfect step to play with virtualization.

    JF002 said: instantiate Scaleway instances

    Even if scaleway offer dedicated servers, you cannot install proxmox on them, because you cannot modify the kernel.

  • sinsin Member
    edited July 2017

    Have you looked at Worldstream.nl ? Pickup one of their budget AMD X2 or Intel Celeron servers (have used both and they worked great). Worldstream support is also pretty amazing too :)

    The Intel Celeron G1620 one is 10 euro/month paying 6-months.

    Here's a geekbench:
    https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/3320000

  • WSSWSS Member
    edited July 2017

    @jvnadr said:
    @JF002 Try WholeSalesInternet. https://www.wholesaleinternet.net/dedicated/
    Their 10$ server is perfect for your needs (vt-x capable, 4GB memory, 2 cores E-8400 usually). There is not always in stock, but you can sign with your email to get noticed just when it comes available (the system is automated, so, when you get the email grab the server soon before someone else grab it).

    I came here to suggest just this. It's a bit more difficult for some installation bits, as it does not have IPMI or any direct access- you can do a boot from an online rescue CD and do whatever you need from that- but that's the extent unless you are happy with doing a blind install over it using QEMU.

    Of course, you can install ProxMox over Debian, and there are plenty of other options which don't require you to boot from the media to install the service.

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